First mention of cdma2000 EV-DV

[email protected] wrote:

> From www.cdg.org
>
> Sprint Signs $1 billion Contract With Lucent Technologies To Enhance
> Nationwide PCS Network
>
> MURRAY HILL, N.J. – July 22, 2003 – Lucent Technologies and Sprint
> today announced a major agreement to enhance and upgrade the largest
> high-speed wireless network in the United States with additional
> third-generation (3G) mobile equipment from Lucent. The two companies
> signed a new, multi-year contract valued at up to $1 billion, covering
> major markets across the United States from New York to California.
>
> Lucent will provide Sprint with the Flexent® CDMA Modular Cell 4.0 and
> other advanced base stations, switching equipment, related software
> and advanced services. When added to the network, these solutions are
> expected to provide Sprint with improved performance and increased
> reliability throughout its network, leading to an improvement in
> overall network quality for millions of Sprint customers.
>
> Under the agreement, Lucent Worldwide Services will provide
> installation, integration, optimization and Remote Technical Support
> services for Sprint's network upgrade.
>
> "Customer satisfaction is the number one priority at Sprint," said
> Kathy Walker, senior vice president of Network Services at Sprint.
> "This new agreement with Lucent will help us continue to offer our
> customers the most advanced and comprehensive wireless services
> available while also improving the reliability, quality and
> performance of the Sprint network."
>
> Sprint built its nationwide PCS network based on CDMA (code division
> multiple access) technology, which enables the cost-effective
> introduction of advanced mobile data services and increases in voice
> capacity. The new equipment from Lucent will enhance Sprint's
> nationwide 3G1X network, increase coverage and capacity, and enable
> Sprint to offer even more advanced data services based on CDMA2000
> 1xEV-DV technology in the future.
>
> "We've been with Sprint since the company installed its first base
> station in 1996, and we're delighted that it is still turning to
> Lucent to provide the equipment that will help keep its network
> working at top performance for years to come," said Chuck Naylor,
> sales vice president, Lucent Technologies. "Our base station equipment
> is designed with the future in mind so that Sprint can make
> cost-effective and simple enhancements to deliver 1xEV-DV services to
> its customers."
>
> CDMA2000 is an advanced and efficient wireless technology being
> introduced worldwide and an international 3G standard established by
> the International Telecommunications Union (ITU).
>
> For more information, reporters may contact:
>
> Debra Lewis, Lucent Technologies, 973-386-5065 (office), 917-848-0035
> (mobile), Email:[email protected]
>
> Dan Wilinsky, Sprint, 913-762-7017 (office),
> Email:[email protected]


This is about right. I heard that the network would be capable of
delivering 2mbs through newer equipment in lieu of the current webmodem
cards although I get twice the throughput that they advertise with my
Merlin C201 as it is presently, I get 130kbs average and bursts at just
under 200kbs and the port itself connects at 230 which is usually com 3 for
data and com 4 for status, these ports are actually on the sprint network
but made to appear as com 3 and 4 on your pc. I also like the 802.11b
options that Sprint will roll out next month that can be used with your web
account as well by switching over to your wireless nic and logging off your
CDMA card. Basically, you wont be able to be logged into both methods but
if you have a strong 802.11b signal, why would you want to? Now, if I could
only turn of that blasted image compression! As it gets faster, I hope they
would realize that you do not need this abomination of the http protocol.
Most sites look like ****e with this and newer management software does not
have the option of disabling it! Is this a nonstandard AT code that can be
added? The only good images I get are through either ftp, news, email, or a
secure socket https transfer. I was trying to drool over the Buell XB12R
the other day and wanted wallpapers but not looking all aliased and blotchy
like this! Sheesh!



Dave

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David W. Studeman wrote:

> only turn of that blasted image compression! As it gets faster, I
> hope they would realize that you do not need this abomination of the
> http protocol. Most sites look like ****e with this and newer
> management software does not have the option of disabling it! Is this
> a nonstandard AT code that can be added? The only good images I get
> are through either ftp, news, email, or a secure socket https
> transfer. I was trying to drool over the Buell XB12R the other day
> and wanted wallpapers but not looking all aliased and blotchy like
> this! Sheesh!

You can use a proxy server, and you wont have this problem any more.

Any easy way to do it (if you're using Windows -- any version) is to
download Naviscope (that's the one I tried), or Proxomitron (I think
that one does it too). You don't need to use all the bells and whistles
those utils offer, you can just use it to keep your images from being
compressed. Google the newsgroup here for Naviscope (or proxy server).



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"Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> David W. Studeman wrote:
>
> > only turn of that blasted image compression! As it gets faster, I
> > hope they would realize that you do not need this abomination of the
> > http protocol. Most sites look like ****e with this and newer
> > management software does not have the option of disabling it! Is this
> > a nonstandard AT code that can be added? The only good images I get
> > are through either ftp, news, email, or a secure socket https
> > transfer. I was trying to drool over the Buell XB12R the other day
> > and wanted wallpapers but not looking all aliased and blotchy like
> > this! Sheesh!
>
> You can use a proxy server, and you wont have this problem any more.
>
> Any easy way to do it (if you're using Windows -- any version) is to
> download Naviscope (that's the one I tried), or Proxomitron (I think
> that one does it too). You don't need to use all the bells and whistles
> those utils offer, you can just use it to keep your images from being
> compressed. Google the newsgroup here for Naviscope (or proxy server).
>
Propel doesn't work like that. Since I'm still downloading from propel's
servers, it just compresses it even more. VPNs seem to work for some people.
>
>
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> to fix Outlook Express' broken quoting.
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>
>

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:16:18 -0400, "David W. Studeman"
<[email protected]> wrote:


> This is about right. I heard that the network would be capable of
>delivering 2mbs through newer equipment in lieu of the current webmodem
>cards although I get twice the throughput that they advertise with my
>Merlin C201 as it is presently, I get 130kbs average and bursts at just
>under 200kbs

Wow! I wonder if this is just due to the compression between the card
and SPCS network end, or if this is cdma2000 1x Rev. C!

Does anyone have a definitive answer?

[email protected] wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:16:18 -0400, "David W. Studeman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> This is about right. I heard that the network would be capable of
>>delivering 2mbs through newer equipment in lieu of the current webmodem
>>cards although I get twice the throughput that they advertise with my
>>Merlin C201 as it is presently, I get 130kbs average and bursts at just
>>under 200kbs
>
> Wow! I wonder if this is just due to the compression between the card
> and SPCS network end, or if this is cdma2000 1x Rev. C!
>
> Does anyone have a definitive answer?

It isn't due to compression as I see this kind of throughput using ftp and
also while downloading attachments in mail and news, and any non image
transfers in http. It is only images that get obliterated in http only, not
any type of other file or even images in any other transfer protocol. A
good example was when I downloaded the full redistributable version of
DirectX 9b at 33MB in size and of course if they tried something goofy with
any type of installable program file, they simply would be corrupted which
is happily not the case. The fact remains though, once you achieve dual
ISDN speed or better, this type of image compression only serves to
alienate your customer base as it saves very little time on your average
jpeg size on a web page. Saving 10KB per image average is not worth pissing
people off who pay a premium for this type of service with little or no
fiancial compensation on the hardware itself which we generally buy
outright. I just think it is time for them to quit wasting money on
something that does more harm than good to their relationships with their
customers!


Dave

1900mhzcdma wrote:

>
> "Donkey Agony" <root@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> David W. Studeman wrote:
>>
>> > only turn of that blasted image compression! As it gets faster, I
>> > hope they would realize that you do not need this abomination of the
>> > http protocol. Most sites look like ****e with this and newer
>> > management software does not have the option of disabling it! Is this
>> > a nonstandard AT code that can be added? The only good images I get
>> > are through either ftp, news, email, or a secure socket https
>> > transfer. I was trying to drool over the Buell XB12R the other day
>> > and wanted wallpapers but not looking all aliased and blotchy like
>> > this! Sheesh!
>>
>> You can use a proxy server, and you wont have this problem any more.
>>
>> Any easy way to do it (if you're using Windows -- any version) is to
>> download Naviscope (that's the one I tried), or Proxomitron (I think
>> that one does it too). You don't need to use all the bells and whistles
>> those utils offer, you can just use it to keep your images from being
>> compressed. Google the newsgroup here for Naviscope (or proxy server).
>>
> Propel doesn't work like that. Since I'm still downloading from propel's
> servers, it just compresses it even more. VPNs seem to work for some
> people.
>>
>>
>> --
>> da
>> ~~
>> "OE Quotefix" http://flash.to/oe-quotefix
>> to fix Outlook Express' broken quoting.
>>
>>
>>


I'm looking into finding a service that has VPN available as an option. As
a side note: I have used this card in Linux which gives you complete
control over commands to be sent to this. Too bad I cannot just put the
command "no propel" in my chat script that is uses to set up the
connection. I have it in XP right now though. The image compression was the
same while using it in Linux. This thing appears as a serial modem to an os
with two ports or rather, two serial modems. I only used the data port in
Linux so far and of course in Windows if you are just using the windows
dial up networking and not the manager software, you are not using the
status port there either. This port shows up as com 4 in Windows. I'd like
to be able to set up some status led's on the front of the computer that
communicate with this other port though.
I would gather that it is Propel and not Blue Kite that is being used now?
This gets interesting!


Dave

David W. Studeman wrote:

<snip>

> I would gather that it
> is Propel and not Blue Kite that is being used now? This gets
> interesting!
>
>
> Dave

I don't know about Propel, but Bluekite is most definitely gone. We don't
even enable that for Wireless Web anymore, much less Vision.

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O/Siris wrote:

> David W. Studeman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I would gather that it
>> is Propel and not Blue Kite that is being used now? This gets
>> interesting!
>>
>>
>> Dave
>
> I don't know about Propel, but Bluekite is most definitely gone. We don't
> even enable that for Wireless Web anymore, much less Vision.
>


Yes, thanks for your presence here even though you are here not by
appointment by Sprint. I think some of this may be in transit as networks
are being upgraded. As we speak, I am looking some .png screenshots that do
not look touched by compression schemes. I'll have to clear my cache every
few days and keep surfing. If need be, I'll be in contact with some of the
technical support at Sprint as I think this may in the end be a solution to
the last mile problem but not just yet as I'm one that was lucky to get an
unlimited account while they had it. I'm sure as capacity and speed
improve, Sprint will offer it again and probably even for much less money.
Early adopters pay for technology.


Dave

"David W. Studeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> This is about right. I heard that the network would be capable of
> delivering 2mbs through newer equipment in lieu of the current webmodem
> cards although I get twice the throughput that they advertise with my
> Merlin C201 as it is presently, I get 130kbs average and bursts at just
> under 200kbs and the port itself connects at 230...<edit>

If you are exceeding 153.6 Kbps, uncompressed, then the network must
be permitting and the Merlin C201 aircard must be capable of RC5
(Radio Configuration 5) traffic channel operation. While still
utilizing R=1/4 convolutional coding, identical in that regard to RC3,
which is the typical RS1 (Rate Set 1) 9.6 Kbps fundamental
configuration for 153.6 Kbps 1xRTT forward-link throughput, RC5 is
instead based upon an RS2 fundamental of 14.4 Kbps, which equates to a
1xRTT peak supplemental data rate of 230.4 Kbps.

Andrew
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Andrew Shepherd wrote:

> "David W. Studeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>> This is about right. I heard that the network would be capable of
>> delivering 2mbs through newer equipment in lieu of the current webmodem
>> cards although I get twice the throughput that they advertise with my
>> Merlin C201 as it is presently, I get 130kbs average and bursts at just
>> under 200kbs and the port itself connects at 230...<edit>
>
> If you are exceeding 153.6 Kbps, uncompressed, then the network must
> be permitting and the Merlin C201 aircard must be capable of RC5
> (Radio Configuration 5) traffic channel operation. While still
> utilizing R=1/4 convolutional coding, identical in that regard to RC3,
> which is the typical RS1 (Rate Set 1) 9.6 Kbps fundamental
> configuration for 153.6 Kbps 1xRTT forward-link throughput, RC5 is
> instead based upon an RS2 fundamental of 14.4 Kbps, which equates to a
> 1xRTT peak supplemental data rate of 230.4 Kbps.
>
> Andrew
> --
> Andrew Shepherd
> [email protected]
> [email protected]
> http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/main.html




Your knowledge of how this network works is way above and beyond mine at
this point. I'm not sure how accurate my local bandwidth monitoring tools
are when I see short peaks that appear above the 153.6kbps you mention but
I do see sustained periods at above dual isdn speeds while downloading
files that are files that would not be able to be compressed any further. I
treat the 230.4 port speed much the same way I would treat a 115 port speed
while using an analog modem meaning that I would never see that kind of
throughput. I used dual isdn for quite a while and remember my router as
having a 500kbps max and while downloading huge text files with STAC
compression, I did see the entire 500k limit and some of the more expensive
routers could go twice that. This made web browsing overall quite snappy as
they are mostly text and aready compressed files do not compress further
with STAC such as jpegs. Truthfully, I wish Sprint would use this type of
compression and leave the images alone! Adulterating jpegs and gifs as
compared to what I saw with STAC compression on dual ISDN at similar
speeds, the STAC text compression method while leaving images intact, wins
hands down and does make a huge difference in the overall web surfing
experience whereas the image compression does not save enough in file size
to make much of a difference in page loading but does create an aesthetic
nightmare! I did write to them and request a method of turning off image
compression. We'll see how things turn out. Thanks for the reply!




Dave