Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?

Do not expect me and a lot of other people to call a number more than
once, if it turns out costing us extra to call it.

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You get those messages because it is wrong. Sure you prefer your
current system, because it forces others to subsidize your monthly bill.

I would like very much to see Sprint PCS expand it's network over there
in europe in general and now in finland in particular.

Wolfgang Barth wrote:

> I do have a contract in Germany which is 0$ per month for the first two
> years, 3 Euro-cent outgoing per minute to fixed lines in Germany and
> unlimited incoming minutes. Just look at www.bmwmobil.de and you see its
> an offer of the BMW car company!

Heh. Who are they reselling? T-Mobile? Vodafone?

They couldn't get the kind of per-minute rates to make that work here in the
USA...


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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> I would like very much to see Sprint PCS expand it's network over
> there in europe in general and now in finland in particular.

Won't happen. Sprint tried GSM here before, and for whatever reason, it flopped.

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Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>> It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans. For
>>> $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20 per
>>> minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
>>> minutes from few carriers).
>>
>> Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
>> keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes, and then about
>> US$0.12 per outgoing minute within Malaysia and to a few other countries
>> (such as the USA).
>
> Not to burst your bubble, but isn't it possible that the difference in
> prices are due to differences in value between the rupee and Malaysia's
> currency, and the US Dollar? I mean, isn't *everything* in those countries a
> lot cheaper than it is in the US?

Not everything - the phones themselves (as well as computers and other large
electronic devices) are more expensive here. So is Newman's Own spaghetti
sauce and beer in the supermarket.

I suppose it depends on how much these things are inputs into the mobile
phone service business. Electronics, probably quite a lot. Beer, somewhat.
Spaghetti sauce, not that much at all.

miguel
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Joseph wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 08:29:46 +0300, Osmo R <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Sobol wrote:
>>
>>>Osmo R wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is simply not true. I expect no such thing. You can keep your
>>>>system. Just do not try to push it here.
>>>
>>>
>>>No one is trying to push it. Don't you have anything better to do than
>>>complain about a system you don't even use?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Funny how I get messages like it is wrong to force others to pay for my
>>mobility. If one says that our system is wrong and theirs is right then
>>I see that as pushing. I do not see either as wrong just different and I
>>prefer the one we have here.
>
>
> But you're one of those who insist that your system has to be right
> for everyone and that what's used in North America is wrong.

I have not said so. So please stop telling untruths.

> Why you
> cannot see that it's different and likely will never change. What you
> seek to gain by trotting out your superiority is beyond understanding.
> If you're paranoid that somehow the model of the crappy system will be
> introduced in Finland you need to get a dose of reality. That will
> never happen. You sound like you are paranoid. Get a grip!
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>

Osmo

Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> You get those messages because it is wrong. Sure you prefer your
> current system, because it forces others to subsidize your monthly bill.

It forces nobody to do anything. People are free to call me or not to
call me. Also most people pay same whether they call a landline or a mobile.

Osmo

clifto wrote:
> Osmo R wrote:
>
>> Jerome Zelinske wrote:
>>
>>> So, if someone over there wants me to call him, he better give me
>>> a land line number, because I will not pay for his choice, for
>>> his convenience of being mobile. If I get my long distance bill,
>>> and in addition to my long distance company's charges to call a
>>> country, I see some wireless operator's charges passed down, then
>>> I will not call that number again, and may just send the person I
>>> called a complaint letter.
>>
>> If one has both numbers it is customary to give both. However,
>> reaching someone from the landline could be hard. Do not expect
>> others to open landlines just so that you could call them.
>
>
> Do not be so arrogant as to believe that others should pay for the
> privilege of talking to you.

Well if they want to talk to me they'd better to pay for what it costs.
I am not paying for their calls to me.

Osmo

Joseph wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:16:22 +0300, Osmo R <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Jerome Zelinske wrote:
>>
>>> But to do that someone would have to buy a wireless phone and
>>> sign up for wireless service, or get pre paid. Whether I call
>>> from a land line or wireless, it would still cost more to call a
>>> wireless phone than a land line phone there.
>>
>> Where? Since you do not quote the message you are replying one can
>> only guess. In Finland it does not cost more to call a mobile phone
>> than a landline if one uses a mobile phone. (with just one
>> exception IIRC)
>
>
> But you keep chanting about Finland, Finland, Finland. Finland is
> not the whole world and if you think that Finnish calling habits are
> shared by the rest of the world you have no comprehension outside of
> your small sphere.

Neither is USA the whole world.

Osmo

Osmo R wrote:

> It forces nobody to do anything. People are free to call me or not to
> call me. Also most people pay same whether they call a landline or a
> mobile.

If it isn't blatantly obvious yet, let me point out that Osmo is arguing for
the sake of argument, and that attempting to change his mind is a waste of
time. We should probably stop trying.

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Osmo R wrote:

>> But you keep chanting about Finland, Finland, Finland. Finland is
>> not the whole world and if you think that Finnish calling habits are
>> shared by the rest of the world you have no comprehension outside of
>> your small sphere.
>
> Neither is USA the whole world.

We know. We're not claiming it is.

I'm beginning to think you're very lonely.

I would suggest, instead of making circular arguments on Usenet, you attempt
to find some people local to you who want to talk to you. I can't speak for
anyone else, but personally, it seems to me that you are just looking for
attention, and there are better ways to do it than being stupid on some
cellular newsgroup. Being stupid in person, in front of others, is generally
much more fun anyhow. Trust me. I speak from experience.

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Steve Sobol wrote:
>> I do have a contract in Germany which is 0$ per month for the first
>> two years, 3 Euro-cent outgoing per minute to fixed lines in Germany
>> and unlimited incoming minutes. Just look at www.bmwmobil.de and you
>> see its an offer of the BMW car company!
>
> Heh. Who are they reselling? T-Mobile? Vodafone?
They are selling original E-plus professional contracts and as a gift
for signing the contract you get 10 Euro/month for 24 months which is
all of the monthly tariff if you take E-plus professional S.

Phoning to mobile phones is expensive with this contract 30 - 45 cent
and phoning to foreign countries is even more expensive (1 Euro/min to
the USA).

Im using a callthrough service for that via a "normal fixed line number"
to connect to mobile phones (which then costs me 25 - 27 cent) or to the
USA (which then costs me 9 cent).
I recently build up my "private Gateway" with a fixed line connected to
VoIP over my DSL. With that I can reach the USA for 5 cent per minute.
Thats quite simple with a little box called "Sipura SPA 3000".
>
> They couldn't get the kind of per-minute rates to make that work here in
> the USA...
There are good plans with lots of minutes there and even including free
evenings and weekends which is rare here. But prepaid isn't attractive
in the US. I do not understand this policy. Especially the very high
mininum loads and very short expiry times.

They should introduce a tariff like the new simyo (eplus) here, which is
10 Euro per half year minimum, incoming free (always in europe) and
outgoing to fixed or mobile lines always 19 cent!!!
Very attractive tariff for people who aren't "heavy users".

Wolfgang

I am perfectly willing to pay what it costs me, but not have added to
that cost what it should be costing you. There is an expense incurred
that enables you to be mobile. You should pay your own bills, not me.

Most people in the world do pay the same whether they are calling a
land line or a wireless phone, unless they are calling a european gsm
wireless phone that is.