Sorry to dash your WiMax dreams, Larry...

On 2009-01-10, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Here are the very first two casualties to any carrier influence of the
> tablets I love. NO carrier is gonna let a bunch of "outsiders" have a
> free hand at programming ANY phone on their system. Name one.

Two: Sprint, T-Mobile.

I've developed Java Mobile edition apps (only a couple, but I've written
my own) and deployed them to my old Sprint CDMA phones, and could do so with
T-Mo too. There is only one restriction on third-party apps that I know of,
with T-Mo, and that's accessing the Internet from the phone (programatically).

And there are ways to get around that.



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Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA

Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?

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Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> On 2009-01-10, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Here are the very first two casualties to any carrier influence of
>> the tablets I love. NO carrier is gonna let a bunch of "outsiders"
>> have a free hand at programming ANY phone on their system. Name one.
>
> Two: Sprint, T-Mobile.
>
> I've developed Java Mobile edition apps (only a couple, but I've
> written my own) and deployed them to my old Sprint CDMA phones, and
> could do so with T-Mo too. There is only one restriction on
> third-party apps that I know of, with T-Mo, and that's accessing the
> Internet from the phone (programatically).
>
> And there are ways to get around that.
>
>
>

You really ARE funny.....

On 2009-01-10, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

>> written my own) and deployed them to my old Sprint CDMA phones, and
>> could do so with T-Mo too. There is only one restriction on
>> third-party apps that I know of, with T-Mo, and that's accessing the
>> Internet from the phone (programatically).
>>
>> And there are ways to get around that.
>
> You really ARE funny.....

That's the best reply you can come up with?

I've *written* Java apps for my Samsung phones on Sprint, I've put them
on my web server in a publically accessible place, and I've hopped on the
Internet and downloaded the apps and deployed them over-the-air.

The T-Mo restriction is that the developer has to have an SSL certificate
identifying him or her, or his company. It's the same restriction placed
on Java and other apps in other (non-cellular) situations. If not, you can
put the app on the phone, the app just won't be able to grab info from the
Net.

It's a security issue for the end-user.

But I'm sorry, I forgot you know everything... I must apologize for
forgetting that.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA

Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?

On 2009-01-10, Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

> The T-Mo restriction is that the developer has to have an SSL certificate
> identifying him or her, or his company. It's the same restriction placed
> on Java and other apps in other (non-cellular) situations. If not, you can
> put the app on the phone, the app just won't be able to grab info from the
> Net.

For the record, the reason I haven't deployed any of my little J2ME apps
to my T-Mo phone is because I don't feel like paying $6/month for 14.4 GPRS
data access. Only recently was T-Mo able to win the wireless spectrum they
needed to build out their 3G data network, and they're rolling it out now,
and it's still not available here in the Victor Valley. (Yet.)



--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA

Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?

On 2009-01-08, The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> The Bob <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>> Alltel has never slowed me down that I can see. Of course, Friday,
>>>> Alltel will be history, making this point moot.
>>>
>>> Alltel is not a broadband provider.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In the context of a sellphone, define "broadband".
>
> In the context of Wimax, define "sellphone." My understanding is that US
> WiMax, as represented by Clearwire, is a data network, not a communications
> network. So, when talking about it as a data network, it is an automatic
> given that 3g cellular network technology is not accepted anywhere as
> "broadband" by definition.

Whose definition of "broadband" are you using? According to the FCC
"broadband" is defined as anything over 768 kbps of data in one direction
(and it was increased to this from 200 kbps less than a year ago). See, e.g.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9898118-7.html

Alltel's EVDO Rev. 0 service might not quite qualify under the FCC
definition, but the Rev. A and HSDPA deployments probably do at least
in some locations.

I'm also not sure about the distinction you are drawing between "data
network" and "communications network". When is a "data network" not
a "communications network"?

As I understand it, both WiMax and LTE present only an IP packet interface
to the terminal device and, for voice, expect the phone to do voice
signalling and data over IP a la VoIP. Even SIM-based authentication
is defined for both. The reason there are no WiMax mobile phones is
only because there are hardly any mobile WiMax deployments; in Clearwire's
fixed WiMax deployments, on the other hand, they've always offered to
sell fixed phone service for your house over their network.

So as far as I can tell, then, the user interfaces for a 3G handset
and a 4G handset (of either the WiMax or LTE variety), when the latter
are available, are likely to be identical until someone figures out what
to do with the extra speed. Put a SIM in the handset, turn it on, have
it connect to the network and provide you with voice and data service.
The underlying mechanism by which those services are provided will be a
bit different, but only a geek could care about that.

Dennis Ferguson

Dennis Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Whose definition of "broadband" are you using? According to the FCC
> "broadband" is defined as anything over 768 kbps of data in one
> direction (and it was increased to this from 200 kbps less than a year
> ago). See, e.g.
>
>

Out on the street, not in the lab, I don't know of a single provider who
can SUSTAIN 768K to a moving vehicle, and most times to a stationary
terminal in a busy city that has an airport. It certainly doesn't
happen here, with the airwaves full of multipath flutter and just plain
traffic from other users. The crashing must be horrendous, no matter
how wonderful your fav brand of modulation scheme happens to be. Wimax
is falling on its ass in many places because of the same old PHYSICS of
propagation we've always fought since Tesla invented radio.

I measure speed by connecting the device to:
http://speedtest.knology.net
which is my ISPs very little used Flash speedtest on some serious
bandwidth. Its server is little used, unlike Speakeasy's that everyone
uses, so that's never the "problem" when it reads less than you want.
From Comcast or Time-Warner Roadrunner it runs full speed of their caps,
so the measily slow speed of sellular doesn't tax it at all. What you
see is what you got.

That's the only test that matters, where you're standing when you do it.
The string of acronyms and meaningless letters doesn't make it faster.
Neither does brand loyalty. Alltel EVDO beats the pants off Comcast
EVDO at Best Buy. Comcast is on a USB dongle to a laptop. Alltel is
from my BT tethered Nokia N800 from the Motorola ROKR Z6m in my pocket
for that test. Rev A, Rev 0....sounds good on paper, though.