Internet Tax Collections

Larry wrote:
> "Your Name" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I don't know about in America, but for the GST (similar to the British
>> VAT) here in New Zealand, businesses legally only have to register /
>> collect / return sales tax if they are earning over a certain amount
>> per week. I can't recall what that amount is, but that means small
>> businesses (like my own tiny business) don't have to bother with GST
>> at all, although they can if they really want to claim back the GST
>> their business pays to others.
>>
>>
>
> Here in South Carolina, USA, sales tax is collected and paid on every
> penny. When I went in business, many years ago, the sales tax (GST)
> return was one page with about 8 squares on it to fill in. Then, local
> fiefdoms called counties and cities/towns, discovered they could add
> their OWN sales tax on top of the 5% state sales tax and get the state
> to effortlessly, on their part, collect it for them. So, now every
> little fiefdom across the state has its own little "section" on the
> state sales tax BOOKLET where, if you have a business that travels like
> mine, you are required to separate out each fiefdom's share of the
> "local option sales tax" and fill in the appropriate blanks across the
> ever-increasing sales tax form.
>
> To add insult to injury, each fiefdom also taxes GROSS income on every
> tiny business within its fiefdom. Notice the capital GROSS, not net.
> If you business gross income were $1,000,000 and your net income after
> all expenses was a loss of $50,000 because you got unlucky or someone
> screwed your business, the fiefdoms will collect, depending on what kind
> of business your business has been decided it was, from 1.8 to 4.2% of
> ONE MILLION DOLLARS you are expected to pay them....regardless if you
> made any money at all! They just don't care if you make it or
> not....PAY US ANYWAY!
>
> America ISN'T the land of plenty many of our foreign visitors and
> immigrants think it is.....for those that are honest and do what they
> are told. Criminals, of course, have none of these tax burdens.....
>
How do you suppose they are are going to get the money to pay for the
"free" (to you) wifi/wimax/whatever you constantly whine about?

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Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant delivery
>> and service can be provided much more easily.
>
> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot more
> competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet sellers currently
> have were to disappear. People will usually pay a small premium for
> instant gratification and better service, but sacrifice those things for
> larger savings. Add both sales tax and shipping charges to the internet
> purchase, and suddenly the difference between online and local is that
> much closer, and might tip more sales to the locals.
>
>
>
>
Exactly..

"Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Larry wrote:
>> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 2009-01-13, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shhh...don't tell all those music Jews we bypassed in between....
>>> Just couldn't resist, could you?
>>>
>>
>> Resist what? The music industry middlemen are all Jews.
>>
>
> Even if it's true, so what?? Who gives a ****?
>

Who cares what agenda some fat cat has for you, your children, eh?

What if that fat cat's religion says he should kill them all or it's ok
to have sex with little girls under 3 years old?

Who cares, indeed....

On 2009-01-15, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Who cares what agenda some fat cat has for you, your children, eh?

> What if that fat cat's religion says he should kill them all or it's ok
> to have sex with little girls under 3 years old?
>
> Who cares, indeed....

So what's my agenda as a Jew, Larry?




--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA

Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?

Larry wrote:
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Larry wrote:
>>> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-01-13, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Shhh...don't tell all those music Jews we bypassed in between....
>>>> Just couldn't resist, could you?
>>>>
>>> Resist what? The music industry middlemen are all Jews.
>>>
>> Even if it's true, so what?? Who gives a ****?
>>
>
> Who cares what agenda some fat cat has for you, your children, eh?
>
> What if that fat cat's religion says he should kill them all or it's ok
> to have sex with little girls under 3 years old?
>

You believe that?

You really are a nut case!

"Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>
>> Who cares what agenda some fat cat has for you, your children, eh?
>>
>> What if that fat cat's religion says he should kill them all or it's ok
>> to have sex with little girls under 3 years old?
>>
>
> You believe that?
>
> You really are a nut case!
>

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_55.html

Here's some more:
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_54.html

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_53.html

And, have you ever been immersed in ****?
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_51.html
then had your head burned off your neck by a burning rag around it?
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_52.html
Or had a wick stuffed down your throat to burn out your guts?

Just change the numbers on the Sanhedrins in the URL and have a look around
at these wonderful sub-human S&M animals. Just ignoring it won't make it
right.

Murdering a few thousand Palestinian kids in their beds is nothing compared
to what their cult teaches them to do to the rest of us....

George wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
>>
>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot more
>> competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet sellers
>> currently have were to disappear. People will usually pay a small
>> premium for instant gratification and better service, but sacrifice
>> those things for larger savings. Add both sales tax and shipping
>> charges to the internet purchase, and suddenly the difference
>> between online and local is that much closer, and might tip more
>> sales to the locals.
> Exactly..

odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not wonder
what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a sales tax to pay the
bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that you have to tax people to fill
your politicians pockets? Why can some states afford stuff without taxing
the H out of people? Seems to me that since there are states with no sales
tax (5) and 9 with no state income tax, you'd have to force them to tax
also...

At 15 Jan 2009 02:25:05 -0500 Peter Pan wrote:

> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not
wonder
> what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a sales tax to
pay the
> bills/graft and some not?

Generally the no sales tax states make it up with higher taxes in other
areas (higher income tax, for example.)

> Is it a given that you have to tax people to fill
> your politicians pockets? Why can some states afford stuff without
taxing
> the H out of people? Seems to me that since there are states with no
sales
> tax (5) and 9 with no state income tax, you'd have to force them to tax
> also...

Taxes are taxes, regardless of what they call them. When I lived in
Nebraska, for example, there was no property tax on automobiles. But
registering a car cost a couple hundred bucks a year. Here in Colorado,
I pay a few hundred bucks in "property tax" on my car, but registering it
only costs about $30.

Peter Pan wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
>>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
>>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
>>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot more
>>> competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet sellers
>>> currently have were to disappear. People will usually pay a small
>>> premium for instant gratification and better service, but sacrifice
>>> those things for larger savings. Add both sales tax and shipping
>>> charges to the internet purchase, and suddenly the difference
>>> between online and local is that much closer, and might tip more
>>> sales to the locals.
>> Exactly..
>
> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not wonder
> what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a sales tax to pay the
> bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that you have to tax people to fill
> your politicians pockets? Why can some states afford stuff without taxing
> the H out of people? Seems to me that since there are states with no sales
> tax (5) and 9 with no state income tax, you'd have to force them to tax
> also...
>
>

I'm sure that the seven states with "NO sales tax" levy taxes somehow.
There are taxes on income, taxes on real estate, estate taxes, etc.
The politicians spend and YOU pay.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:XrCbl.15093$qi.1065
@newsfe09.iad:

> Taxes are taxes, regardless of what they call them. When I lived in
> Nebraska, for example, there was no property tax on automobiles. But
> registering a car cost a couple hundred bucks a year. Here in Colorado,
> I pay a few hundred bucks in "property tax" on my car, but registering it
> only costs about $30.
>
>

SC also has personal property tax the counties collect for themselves.
They walk the docks at all the local marinas harrassing our VISITORS and
TOURISTS TRANSIENTS trying to collect it on their yachts....thousands and
thousands. The yachties retaliate by simply bypassing SC on their way
to/from Florida and beyond, robbing us of much-needed tourist dollars,
amazing fuel sales to megayachts and starving our local restaurants of
patrons.

Stupid idiots......

Peter Pan wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
>>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
>>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
>>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot more
>>> competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet sellers
>>> currently have were to disappear. People will usually pay a small
>>> premium for instant gratification and better service, but sacrifice
>>> those things for larger savings. Add both sales tax and shipping
>>> charges to the internet purchase, and suddenly the difference
>>> between online and local is that much closer, and might tip more
>>> sales to the locals.
>> Exactly..
>
> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not wonder
> what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a sales tax to pay the
> bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that you have to tax people to fill
> your politicians pockets? Why can some states afford stuff without taxing
> the H out of people? Seems to me that since there are states with no sales
> tax (5) and 9 with no state income tax, you'd have to force them to tax
> also...
>
>
Not disputing government efficiency (or lack of) but it is important to
look at the entire tax picture. For example a good friend moved to
another state and one of the advantages they mentioned is that the sales
tax was either none or miniscule. I saw them over the holidays and he
told me that it just averages out because while the state has a small
sales tax they have large other taxes.

Thats why I think one of the best ways to slow down government would be
to have all taxes derived from only a sales tax. There couldn't be any
buried excise taxes, no mystery taxes on cell phones, no income taxes
that are deducted from wages so that people look at the net amount as
what they make and not the gross.

From estimates I have read the tax would need to be ~ 35%. Just
imagine how many people people would wake and question where the tax
money is being used.

George <[email protected]> wrote in news:gkne2g$9tu$1
@news.motzarella.org:

> From estimates I have read the tax would need to be ~ 35%. Just
> imagine how many people people would wake and question where the tax
> money is being used.
>
>

I've always been an advocate of paying all income taxes, IN CASH at the IRS
and State tax offices, ONCE a year. I want them to hold that pile of cash
in their hot little hands, no checks, so they can FEEL what's being done to
them by this runaway New World Order.

People just aren't feeling withholding like they should. Stand in line at
the IRS Cashier with $12,862 in 20's in their hands will set the revolution
in motion and the government knows it.

No IRS office building could withstand the attacks.

The problem with trying to buy only from the local businesses in a lot of
cases is the lack of variety of merchandise available. If I draw a circle
with a 20 miles radius around my house it will encompass a population of
about 15,000 people and have three or four hardware stores and lumber
yards--all carrying almost identical things. If I shop the internet I can
find things that my local stores wouldn't even dream of carrying. Even if I
just find what I want on the internet and take the info to a local store to
have them order I'd be told that they couldn't get it because their
wholesaler doesn't carry it. Sometimes shopping the internet has absolutely
nothing to do with avoiding sales tax.
--
Gary
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"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin wrote:
>> Todd Allcock wrote on [Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:07:10 -0700]:
>>> "D. Stussy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> Not quite true. If one is buying from a company in another state that
>>>> has no presence in one's own state, no sales tax is collected AT THE
>>>> SOURCE. However, state law may well require that the purchaser still
>>>> pay sales/use tax. Such is true in California (where I am), although
>>>> no one does.
>>> That article Larry linked was interesting- it seems that New York
>>> decided that everyone in New York with a website that has an
>>> affiliate/referral deal with Amazon gave Amazon presence in NY, and
>>> required Amazon to collect NY sales tax. (Which they've been doing,
>>> while simultaneously suing the State of New York over this.) It also
>>> said Overstock.com cancelled all affiliate deals with New Yorkers as a
>>> result to avoid the same fate.
>>
>> That sort of crap can put small business out of business. Do you think
>> every small internet retailer can afford the nightmare of however many
>> hundred tax jurisdictions there are in the US?
>
> Actually it is unfair for other reasons. Lets say there is a small local
> business down the street and you know if you walk in and buy something
> they will collect the mandated say 7% tax. You notice you can get a 7%
> "discount" if you order something online which causes the local small
> business to loose a sale simply because they need to comply with being a
> tax collector.
>

Gary wrote:
> The problem with trying to buy only from the local businesses in a lot
> of cases is the lack of variety of merchandise available. If I draw a
> circle with a 20 miles radius around my house it will encompass a
> population of about 15,000 people and have three or four hardware stores
> and lumber yards--all carrying almost identical things. If I shop the
> internet I can find things that my local stores wouldn't even dream of
> carrying. Even if I just find what I want on the internet and take the
> info to a local store to have them order I'd be told that they couldn't
> get it because their wholesaler doesn't carry it. Sometimes shopping
> the internet has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding sales tax.

If I shop the local book stores, it's quite likely that they will not
stock the book(s) I'm looking for. Amazon does! It's not quite
"gratification now" but my order is usually delivered within two or
three days and I don't have to burn $3 worth of gasoline to get to the
mall and back. I don't even have to leave my chair!

Peter Pan wrote on [Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:07:40 -0500]:
>
>
>>>> As "George" pointed out in a different post in this thread,
>>>> internet sellers have had this "tax-free" advantage over brick and
>>>> mortar retailers for a long time, and this would be good for both
>>>> local taxing jurisdictions and local businesses, who'd be able to
>>>> better compete against internet sellers who have a 5-10% total cost
>>>> advantage right out of the starting gate. Difficult economic times
>>>> aside, I have to think my local town gets more economic benefit
>>>> from books being sold by the local bookstore, than from Amazon.com.
>
> What I find totally mystifying is how do brick and mortar stores in the
> states that don't have sales tax make any money, and what if you have an
> internet biz and either are in or ship to a place with no sales tax? Does a
> brick and Mortar store in those states (with no sales tax) have an advantage
> over the internet stores?

According to the articles, sales tax is based on the person making the
puchase, the buyer. Even if the seller is in a state with no sales tax,
it's still due to the buyer's locality.