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  1. #61
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:59:35 -0500]:
    > Gary wrote:
    >> The problem with trying to buy only from the local businesses in a lot
    >> of cases is the lack of variety of merchandise available. If I draw a
    >> circle with a 20 miles radius around my house it will encompass a
    >> population of about 15,000 people and have three or four hardware stores
    >> and lumber yards--all carrying almost identical things. If I shop the
    >> internet I can find things that my local stores wouldn't even dream of
    >> carrying. Even if I just find what I want on the internet and take the
    >> info to a local store to have them order I'd be told that they couldn't
    >> get it because their wholesaler doesn't carry it. Sometimes shopping
    >> the internet has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding sales tax.

    >
    > If I shop the local book stores, it's quite likely that they will not
    > stock the book(s) I'm looking for. Amazon does! It's not quite
    > "gratification now" but my order is usually delivered within two or
    > three days and I don't have to burn $3 worth of gasoline to get to the
    > mall and back. I don't even have to leave my chair!


    The local bookstore can "order it for you and have it next week".





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  2. #62
    George
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Larry wrote:
    > Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:XrCbl.15093$qi.1065
    > @newsfe09.iad:
    >
    >> Taxes are taxes, regardless of what they call them. When I lived in
    >> Nebraska, for example, there was no property tax on automobiles. But
    >> registering a car cost a couple hundred bucks a year. Here in Colorado,
    >> I pay a few hundred bucks in "property tax" on my car, but registering it
    >> only costs about $30.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > SC also has personal property tax the counties collect for themselves.
    > They walk the docks at all the local marinas harrassing our VISITORS and
    > TOURISTS TRANSIENTS trying to collect it on their yachts....thousands and
    > thousands. The yachties retaliate by simply bypassing SC on their way
    > to/from Florida and beyond, robbing us of much-needed tourist dollars,
    > amazing fuel sales to megayachts and starving our local restaurants of
    > patrons.
    >
    > Stupid idiots......
    >

    But people need to stop demanding "free" (to them-they think) stuff and
    services from the government.



  3. #63
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Justin wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:59:35 -0500]:
    >> Gary wrote:
    >>> The problem with trying to buy only from the local businesses in a lot
    >>> of cases is the lack of variety of merchandise available. If I draw a
    >>> circle with a 20 miles radius around my house it will encompass a
    >>> population of about 15,000 people and have three or four hardware stores
    >>> and lumber yards--all carrying almost identical things. If I shop the
    >>> internet I can find things that my local stores wouldn't even dream of
    >>> carrying. Even if I just find what I want on the internet and take the
    >>> info to a local store to have them order I'd be told that they couldn't
    >>> get it because their wholesaler doesn't carry it. Sometimes shopping
    >>> the internet has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding sales tax.

    >> If I shop the local book stores, it's quite likely that they will not
    >> stock the book(s) I'm looking for. Amazon does! It's not quite
    >> "gratification now" but my order is usually delivered within two or
    >> three days and I don't have to burn $3 worth of gasoline to get to the
    >> mall and back. I don't even have to leave my chair!

    >
    > The local bookstore can "order it for you and have it next week".
    >
    >


    Right! Two round trips to the book store and back vs. a couple of mouse
    clicks and same day shipment.



  4. #64
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    George wrote:
    > Larry wrote:
    >> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> news:XrCbl.15093$qi.1065
    >> @newsfe09.iad:
    >>
    >>> Taxes are taxes, regardless of what they call them. When I lived in
    >>> Nebraska, for example, there was no property tax on automobiles. But
    >>> registering a car cost a couple hundred bucks a year. Here in Colorado,
    >>> I pay a few hundred bucks in "property tax" on my car, but
    >>> registering it
    >>> only costs about $30.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> SC also has personal property tax the counties collect for
    >> themselves. They walk the docks at all the local marinas harrassing
    >> our VISITORS and TOURISTS TRANSIENTS trying to collect it on their
    >> yachts....thousands and thousands. The yachties retaliate by simply
    >> bypassing SC on their way to/from Florida and beyond, robbing us of
    >> much-needed tourist dollars, amazing fuel sales to megayachts and
    >> starving our local restaurants of patrons.
    >>
    >> Stupid idiots......
    >>

    > But people need to stop demanding "free" (to them-they think) stuff and
    > services from the government.


    Never underestimate the power of stupidity!

    Government has to do things! How else could they justify their
    salaries, job security, generous pension plans, state supplied vehicles,
    etc?



  5. #65
    Art S
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    >> For a small seller that only has one sale in a jurisdiction per year, it
    >> adds to the cost basis exponentially to file in that jursidiction.

    >
    > Nature abhors a vaccum. If such a tax law were imposed and proved burdensome to businesses,
    > services would spring up overnight willing to handle all of that (for a fee, of course.) Small
    > businesses would then be free to decide whether to use such a service, or do it themselves-
    > whichever was more cost-effective.
    >


    1. Different jurisdictions tax different things differently (something taxed in
    one jurisdiction is not taxed in another).
    2. Potentially something will be classified one way in one jurisdiction (and
    subject to tax) and a different way in another (and not subject to tax).
    3. Zip codes can't be used to calculate tax rates - one zip code can be in two
    cities or counties.
    4. One house may straddle a city or county line. Which tax rate applies?

    All this means that whoever calculates the tax must be told what is being
    bought and the exact address of who is buying it.

    How long do you think it will be until that information is sold to marketing
    companies?

    Art





  6. #66
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
    > Peter Pan wrote:
    >> George wrote:
    >>> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>
    >>>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
    >>>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
    >>>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
    >>>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot
    >>>> more competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet sellers
    >>>> currently have were to disappear. People will usually pay a small
    >>>> premium for instant gratification and better service, but sacrifice
    >>>> those things for larger savings. Add both sales tax and shipping
    >>>> charges to the internet purchase, and suddenly the difference
    >>>> between online and local is that much closer, and might tip more
    >>>> sales to the locals.
    >>> Exactly..

    >>
    >> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not
    >> wonder what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a sales
    >> tax to pay the bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that you have
    >> to tax people to fill your politicians pockets? Why can some states
    >> afford stuff without taxing the H out of people? Seems to me that
    >> since there are states with no sales tax (5) and 9 with no state
    >> income tax, you'd have to force them to tax also...
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I'm sure that the seven states with "NO sales tax" levy taxes somehow.
    > There are taxes on income, taxes on real estate, estate taxes, etc.
    > The politicians spend and YOU pay.


    Sure, but the point is that there are apologists out there, that INSIST the
    govt waste money/give away money, and raise taxes to do it.. in many cases
    in this thread, it's how to tax and spnd MORE, rather than be efficient and
    not need to do things effeciently.....
    I find it humorous, that some of you are JUSTIFYING WASTE, and increasing
    taxes...

    Heres a little chart I did a few years ago when I was living in my rv and
    looking at what state to claim for residency..

    STATE TAX SALES INCOME TAX TOTAL
    ALASKA 0 0 0
    NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 0 0
    SOUTH DAKOTA 4 0 4
    WYOMING 4 0 4
    FLORIDA 6 0 6
    TENNESSEE 6 0 6
    TEXAS 6.25 0 6.25
    NEVADA 6.5 0 6.5
    WASHINGTON 6.5 0 6.5
    DELAWARE 0 7.1 7.1
    COLORADO 3 5 8
    INDIANA 5 3.4 8.4
    PENNSYLVANIA 6 2.8 8.8
    ALABAMA 4 5 9
    OREGON 0 9 9
    ILLINOIS 6.25 3 9.25
    VIRGINIA 3.5 5.75 9.25
    GEORGIA 4 6 10
    LOUISIANA 4 6 10
    MARYLAND 5 5 10
    ARIZONA 5 5.2 10.2
    MISSOURI 4.23 6 10.23
    MICHIGAN 6 4.4 10.4
    CONNECTICUT 6 4.5 10.5
    MONTANA 0 11 11
    NORTH CAROLINA 4 7 11
    NEW YORK 4 7.13 11.13
    OHIO 5 6.44 11.44
    OKLAHOMA 4.5 7 11.5
    NEW JERSEY 6 5.53 11.53
    ARKANSAS 4.63 7 11.63
    UTAH 4.75 7 11.75
    WISCONSIN 5 6.93 11.93
    NEBRASKA 5 6.99 11.99
    KENTUCKY 6 6 12
    MISSISSIPPI 7 5 12
    SOUTH CAROLINA 5 7 12
    WEST VIRGINIA 6 6.5 12.5
    KANSAS 4.9 7.75 12.65
    NEW MEXICO 5 7.9 12.9
    IDAHO 5 8.2 13.2
    HAWAII 4 10 14
    MAINE 6 8.5 14.5
    IOWA 5 9.98 14.98
    MINNESOTA 6.5 8.5 15
    DIST. OF COLUMBIA 5.75 9.5 15.25
    CALIFORNIA 7.25 9.3 16.55
    NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 17
    MASSACHUSETTS 5 15 20
    VERMONT 5 25 30
    RHODE ISLAND 7 27.5 34.5

    wonder why it's so much more expensive in say rhode island than say new
    hampshire?





  7. #67
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections


    "Art S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    >> Nature abhors a vaccum. If such a tax law were imposed and proved
    >> burdensome to businesses, services would spring up overnight willing to
    >> handle all of that (for a fee, of course.) Small businesses would then
    >> be free to decide whether to use such a service, or do it themselves-
    >> whichever was more cost-effective.
    >>

    >
    > 1. Different jurisdictions tax different things differently (something
    > taxed in
    > one jurisdiction is not taxed in another).



    True.

    > 2. Potentially something will be classified one way in one jurisdiction
    > (and
    > subject to tax) and a different way in another (and not subject to tax).


    Also true.

    > 3. Zip codes can't be used to calculate tax rates - one zip code can be
    > in two
    > cities or counties.


    While that sometimes happens, zip codes ARE used in many cases.

    > 4. One house may straddle a city or county line. Which tax rate applies?


    Whichever one the seller charges you!

    > All this means that whoever calculates the tax must be told what is being
    > bought and the exact address of who is buying it.


    Perhaps, perhaps not.

    First, there's no such law yet. Second, you don't know what form it will
    take. If anyone goes back and actually reads the article Larry posted, most
    states looking to collect are voluntarily simplifying the rules for internet
    sellers.

    The vast likelyhood is that there will be a "one state / one rate" system
    if/when this ever happens, since any such legislation is typically pounded
    out by the lobbyists of both sides of an issue after compromising. I think
    it'd play out something like this: the states' lobbyists will cry the
    current situation is unfair and demand money, the internet sellers'
    lobbyists will complain sales tax calculation for 2000 jurisdicitions is too
    onerous, so the states will then agree to a simplified sales tax, and
    probably even agree to a single "internet sales tax reporting form" for all
    sellers and all states. Products will then be put in a SMALL number of
    categories (food, clothing, "luxury", etc.) and all 50 states will have to
    agree to use the categories, forms, and rules proposed by the law by such
    and such a date, or forfeit internet sales tax collection until they comply.

    Problem solved. The states would be so happy to collect on every Amazon,
    eBay, etc. purchase they'd all agree to a flat national 5% across the board
    if it started tomorrow!

    > How long do you think it will be until that information is sold to
    > marketing
    > companies?


    You really think this isn't being done now? :-)






  8. #68
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections


    "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Heres a little chart I did a few years ago when I was living in my rv and
    > looking at what state to claim for residency..
    >
    > STATE TAX SALES INCOME TAX TOTAL
    > ALASKA 0 0 0
    > NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 0 0

    <Snip>
    > RHODE ISLAND 7 27.5 34.5
    >
    > wonder why it's so much more expensive in say rhode island than say new
    > hampshire?


    First, I have to question your methodology. Sales tax and income tax aren't
    related in any way that you can simply add them together to get a total.

    It'd be like calculating the most expensive place to live by adding the
    average price of one house, and one gallon of milk to get a total.

    New Hampshire, while there is no sales or income tax, has relatively high
    taxes on businesses, and sales tax is collected on restaurant and hotel
    sales. (NH is a popular tourism spot in the Northeast.)

    As to Rhode Island, I can explain that easily, as I'm from there originally.
    It's taxes are high because it has a corrupt, money-wasting, mob-controlled,
    incompetent govenrment. It'd tax its unfortunate residents even more if it
    wasn't afraid the few who are actually employed and supporting everyone else
    who is collecting a handout via RI's very lax, anti-business Worker's
    Compensation laws wouldn't just move elsewhere, which in a state the size of
    Rhode Island means relocating all of 20 miles in any direction. (Except
    south, which would put you in the Atlantic Ocean, which might still be
    preferable to staying in Rhode Island.)







  9. #69
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    George <[email protected]> wrote in news:gknltd$v59$1
    @news.motzarella.org:

    > But people need to stop demanding "free" (to them-they think) stuff and
    > services from the government.
    >
    >


    A 40' boat pays over $100/day for dock space at City Marina. Isn't that
    enough?




  10. #70
    George
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Peter Pan wrote:
    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
    >> Peter Pan wrote:
    >>> George wrote:
    >>>> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>>>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
    >>>>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
    >>>>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
    >>>>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot
    >>>>> more competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet sellers
    >>>>> currently have were to disappear. People will usually pay a small
    >>>>> premium for instant gratification and better service, but sacrifice
    >>>>> those things for larger savings. Add both sales tax and shipping
    >>>>> charges to the internet purchase, and suddenly the difference
    >>>>> between online and local is that much closer, and might tip more
    >>>>> sales to the locals.
    >>>> Exactly..
    >>> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not
    >>> wonder what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a sales
    >>> tax to pay the bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that you have
    >>> to tax people to fill your politicians pockets? Why can some states
    >>> afford stuff without taxing the H out of people? Seems to me that
    >>> since there are states with no sales tax (5) and 9 with no state
    >>> income tax, you'd have to force them to tax also...
    >>>
    >>>

    >> I'm sure that the seven states with "NO sales tax" levy taxes somehow.
    >> There are taxes on income, taxes on real estate, estate taxes, etc.
    >> The politicians spend and YOU pay.

    >
    > Sure, but the point is that there are apologists out there, that INSIST the
    > govt waste money/give away money, and raise taxes to do it.. in many cases
    > in this thread, it's how to tax and spnd MORE, rather than be efficient and
    > not need to do things effeciently.....
    > I find it humorous, that some of you are JUSTIFYING WASTE, and increasing
    > taxes...
    >
    > Heres a little chart I did a few years ago when I was living in my rv and
    > looking at what state to claim for residency..
    >
    > STATE TAX SALES INCOME TAX TOTAL
    > ALASKA 0 0 0
    > NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 0 0
    > SOUTH DAKOTA 4 0 4
    > WYOMING 4 0 4
    > FLORIDA 6 0 6
    > TENNESSEE 6 0 6
    > TEXAS 6.25 0 6.25
    > NEVADA 6.5 0 6.5
    > WASHINGTON 6.5 0 6.5
    > DELAWARE 0 7.1 7.1
    > COLORADO 3 5 8
    > INDIANA 5 3.4 8.4
    > PENNSYLVANIA 6 2.8 8.8
    > ALABAMA 4 5 9
    > OREGON 0 9 9
    > ILLINOIS 6.25 3 9.25
    > VIRGINIA 3.5 5.75 9.25
    > GEORGIA 4 6 10
    > LOUISIANA 4 6 10
    > MARYLAND 5 5 10
    > ARIZONA 5 5.2 10.2
    > MISSOURI 4.23 6 10.23
    > MICHIGAN 6 4.4 10.4
    > CONNECTICUT 6 4.5 10.5
    > MONTANA 0 11 11
    > NORTH CAROLINA 4 7 11
    > NEW YORK 4 7.13 11.13
    > OHIO 5 6.44 11.44
    > OKLAHOMA 4.5 7 11.5
    > NEW JERSEY 6 5.53 11.53
    > ARKANSAS 4.63 7 11.63
    > UTAH 4.75 7 11.75
    > WISCONSIN 5 6.93 11.93
    > NEBRASKA 5 6.99 11.99
    > KENTUCKY 6 6 12
    > MISSISSIPPI 7 5 12
    > SOUTH CAROLINA 5 7 12
    > WEST VIRGINIA 6 6.5 12.5
    > KANSAS 4.9 7.75 12.65
    > NEW MEXICO 5 7.9 12.9
    > IDAHO 5 8.2 13.2
    > HAWAII 4 10 14
    > MAINE 6 8.5 14.5
    > IOWA 5 9.98 14.98
    > MINNESOTA 6.5 8.5 15
    > DIST. OF COLUMBIA 5.75 9.5 15.25
    > CALIFORNIA 7.25 9.3 16.55
    > NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 17
    > MASSACHUSETTS 5 15 20
    > VERMONT 5 25 30
    > RHODE ISLAND 7 27.5 34.5
    >
    > wonder why it's so much more expensive in say rhode island than say new
    > hampshire?
    >
    >

    But you can't draw any meaningful conclusion from your list. There are
    other taxes and taxes disguised as fees. In order to draw a meaningful
    conclusion you would need to use a model of a typical family and then
    look at the total taxes that would be applied to that unit in each state.



  11. #71
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections


    On 2009-01-15, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    >>>
    >>> Who cares what agenda some fat cat has for you, your children, eh?
    >>>
    >>> What if that fat cat's religion says he should kill them all or it's ok
    >>> to have sex with little girls under 3 years old?
    >>>

    >>
    >> You believe that?
    >>
    >> You really are a nut case!
    >>

    >
    > http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_55.html


    Ok. You find me a few Jews who actually do what you claim we
    do. Normal people, not psychopaths. I'm not looking for Jeffrey Dahmer
    here.


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA

    Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
    But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?



  12. #72
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    George wrote:
    > Peter Pan wrote:
    >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
    >>> Peter Pan wrote:
    >>>> George wrote:
    >>>>> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>>>>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
    >>>>>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
    >>>>>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
    >>>>>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot
    >>>>>> more competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet
    >>>>>> sellers currently have were to disappear. People will usually
    >>>>>> pay a small premium for instant gratification and better
    >>>>>> service, but sacrifice those things for larger savings. Add
    >>>>>> both sales tax and shipping charges to the internet purchase,
    >>>>>> and suddenly the difference between online and local is that
    >>>>>> much closer, and might tip more sales to the locals.
    >>>>> Exactly..
    >>>> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not
    >>>> wonder what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a
    >>>> sales tax to pay the bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that
    >>>> you have to tax people to fill your politicians pockets? Why can
    >>>> some states afford stuff without taxing the H out of people? Seems
    >>>> to me that since there are states with no sales tax (5) and 9 with
    >>>> no state income tax, you'd have to force them to tax also...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> I'm sure that the seven states with "NO sales tax" levy taxes
    >>> somehow. There are taxes on income, taxes on real estate, estate
    >>> taxes, etc. The politicians spend and YOU pay.

    >>
    >> Sure, but the point is that there are apologists out there, that
    >> INSIST the govt waste money/give away money, and raise taxes to do
    >> it.. in many cases in this thread, it's how to tax and spnd MORE,
    >> rather than be efficient and not need to do things effeciently.....
    >> I find it humorous, that some of you are JUSTIFYING WASTE, and
    >> increasing taxes...
    >>
    >> Heres a little chart I did a few years ago when I was living in my
    >> rv and looking at what state to claim for residency..
    >>
    >> STATE TAX SALES INCOME TAX TOTAL
    >> ALASKA 0 0 0
    >> NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 0 0
    >> SOUTH DAKOTA 4 0 4
    >> WYOMING 4 0 4
    >> FLORIDA 6 0 6
    >> TENNESSEE 6 0 6
    >> TEXAS 6.25 0 6.25
    >> NEVADA 6.5 0 6.5
    >> WASHINGTON 6.5 0 6.5
    >> DELAWARE 0 7.1 7.1
    >> COLORADO 3 5 8
    >> INDIANA 5 3.4 8.4
    >> PENNSYLVANIA 6 2.8 8.8
    >> ALABAMA 4 5 9
    >> OREGON 0 9 9
    >> ILLINOIS 6.25 3 9.25
    >> VIRGINIA 3.5 5.75 9.25
    >> GEORGIA 4 6 10
    >> LOUISIANA 4 6 10
    >> MARYLAND 5 5 10
    >> ARIZONA 5 5.2 10.2
    >> MISSOURI 4.23 6 10.23
    >> MICHIGAN 6 4.4 10.4
    >> CONNECTICUT 6 4.5 10.5
    >> MONTANA 0 11 11
    >> NORTH CAROLINA 4 7 11
    >> NEW YORK 4 7.13 11.13
    >> OHIO 5 6.44 11.44
    >> OKLAHOMA 4.5 7 11.5
    >> NEW JERSEY 6 5.53 11.53
    >> ARKANSAS 4.63 7 11.63
    >> UTAH 4.75 7 11.75
    >> WISCONSIN 5 6.93 11.93
    >> NEBRASKA 5 6.99 11.99
    >> KENTUCKY 6 6 12
    >> MISSISSIPPI 7 5 12
    >> SOUTH CAROLINA 5 7 12
    >> WEST VIRGINIA 6 6.5 12.5
    >> KANSAS 4.9 7.75 12.65
    >> NEW MEXICO 5 7.9 12.9
    >> IDAHO 5 8.2 13.2
    >> HAWAII 4 10 14
    >> MAINE 6 8.5 14.5
    >> IOWA 5 9.98 14.98
    >> MINNESOTA 6.5 8.5 15
    >> DIST. OF COLUMBIA 5.75 9.5 15.25
    >> CALIFORNIA 7.25 9.3 16.55
    >> NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 17
    >> MASSACHUSETTS 5 15 20
    >> VERMONT 5 25 30
    >> RHODE ISLAND 7 27.5 34.5
    >>
    >> wonder why it's so much more expensive in say rhode island than say
    >> new hampshire?
    >>
    >>

    > But you can't draw any meaningful conclusion from your list. There are
    > other taxes and taxes disguised as fees. In order to draw a meaningful
    > conclusion you would need to use a model of a typical family and then
    > look at the total taxes that would be applied to that unit in each
    > state.


    Sure you can, roughly, $40,000 of income, looking at state income and sales
    tax only (nothing else)..... vermont 30%, new hampshire 0%..... 30% of
    40,000 (12k) is way more than 0% of 40,000 (0)

    can you think of ANY fees that add up to $12,000 per year? (I can't)





  13. #73
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections


    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>>> Who cares what agenda some fat cat has for you, your children, eh?
    >>>>
    >>>> What if that fat cat's religion says he should kill them all or it's ok
    >>>> to have sex with little girls under 3 years old?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> You believe that?
    >>>
    >>> You really are a nut case!
    >>>

    >>
    >> http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_55.html

    >
    > Ok. You find me a few Jews who actually do what you claim we
    > do. Normal people, not psychopaths. I'm not looking for Jeffrey Dahmer
    > here.


    For bonus points, they should also be from the last 1500 years, as well...

    Unless I missed something in Larry's link, those excerpts from the Talmud
    are the laws of the Sanhedrin court that I believe hasn't been around since
    the 3rd or 4th century or so.

    Larry might as well hold us current Gentiles accountable for the acts of the
    Knights Templar or other Crusaders...







  14. #74
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Todd Allcock wrote on [Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:21:04 -0700]:
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Heres a little chart I did a few years ago when I was living in my rv and
    >> looking at what state to claim for residency..
    >>
    >> STATE TAX SALES INCOME TAX TOTAL
    >> ALASKA 0 0 0
    >> NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 0 0

    > <Snip>
    >> RHODE ISLAND 7 27.5 34.5
    >>
    >> wonder why it's so much more expensive in say rhode island than say new
    >> hampshire?

    >
    > First, I have to question your methodology. Sales tax and income tax aren't
    > related in any way that you can simply add them together to get a total.


    I'd have to agree. You pay income tax on all income, and sales tax only
    on purchases on items that aren't exempted. It's also assuming that all
    income is spent.



  15. #75
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: Internet Tax Collections

    Peter Pan wrote on [Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:53:00 -0500]:
    > George wrote:
    >> Peter Pan wrote:
    >>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
    >>>> Peter Pan wrote:
    >>>>> George wrote:
    >>>>>> Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>>>>>> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> the brick and mortar store will usually also have
    >>>>>>>> a higher price. What they DO have going for them is the instant
    >>>>>>>> delivery and service can be provided much more easily.
    >>>>>>> While they do usually have the higher price, they could be a lot
    >>>>>>> more competitive if the automatic 7-10% advantage internet
    >>>>>>> sellers currently have were to disappear. People will usually
    >>>>>>> pay a small premium for instant gratification and better
    >>>>>>> service, but sacrifice those things for larger savings. Add
    >>>>>>> both sales tax and shipping charges to the internet purchase,
    >>>>>>> and suddenly the difference between online and local is that
    >>>>>>> much closer, and might tip more sales to the locals.
    >>>>>> Exactly..
    >>>>> odd how nobody considers the 7 states with NO sales tax.....Why not
    >>>>> wonder what sort of mismanagement forces some states to have a
    >>>>> sales tax to pay the bills/graft and some not? Is it a given that
    >>>>> you have to tax people to fill your politicians pockets? Why can
    >>>>> some states afford stuff without taxing the H out of people? Seems
    >>>>> to me that since there are states with no sales tax (5) and 9 with
    >>>>> no state income tax, you'd have to force them to tax also...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> I'm sure that the seven states with "NO sales tax" levy taxes
    >>>> somehow. There are taxes on income, taxes on real estate, estate
    >>>> taxes, etc. The politicians spend and YOU pay.
    >>>
    >>> Sure, but the point is that there are apologists out there, that
    >>> INSIST the govt waste money/give away money, and raise taxes to do
    >>> it.. in many cases in this thread, it's how to tax and spnd MORE,
    >>> rather than be efficient and not need to do things effeciently.....
    >>> I find it humorous, that some of you are JUSTIFYING WASTE, and
    >>> increasing taxes...
    >>>
    >>> Heres a little chart I did a few years ago when I was living in my
    >>> rv and looking at what state to claim for residency..
    >>>
    >>> STATE TAX SALES INCOME TAX TOTAL
    >>> ALASKA 0 0 0
    >>> NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 0 0
    >>> SOUTH DAKOTA 4 0 4
    >>> WYOMING 4 0 4
    >>> FLORIDA 6 0 6
    >>> TENNESSEE 6 0 6
    >>> TEXAS 6.25 0 6.25
    >>> NEVADA 6.5 0 6.5
    >>> WASHINGTON 6.5 0 6.5
    >>> DELAWARE 0 7.1 7.1
    >>> COLORADO 3 5 8
    >>> INDIANA 5 3.4 8.4
    >>> PENNSYLVANIA 6 2.8 8.8
    >>> ALABAMA 4 5 9
    >>> OREGON 0 9 9
    >>> ILLINOIS 6.25 3 9.25
    >>> VIRGINIA 3.5 5.75 9.25
    >>> GEORGIA 4 6 10
    >>> LOUISIANA 4 6 10
    >>> MARYLAND 5 5 10
    >>> ARIZONA 5 5.2 10.2
    >>> MISSOURI 4.23 6 10.23
    >>> MICHIGAN 6 4.4 10.4
    >>> CONNECTICUT 6 4.5 10.5
    >>> MONTANA 0 11 11
    >>> NORTH CAROLINA 4 7 11
    >>> NEW YORK 4 7.13 11.13
    >>> OHIO 5 6.44 11.44
    >>> OKLAHOMA 4.5 7 11.5
    >>> NEW JERSEY 6 5.53 11.53
    >>> ARKANSAS 4.63 7 11.63
    >>> UTAH 4.75 7 11.75
    >>> WISCONSIN 5 6.93 11.93
    >>> NEBRASKA 5 6.99 11.99
    >>> KENTUCKY 6 6 12
    >>> MISSISSIPPI 7 5 12
    >>> SOUTH CAROLINA 5 7 12
    >>> WEST VIRGINIA 6 6.5 12.5
    >>> KANSAS 4.9 7.75 12.65
    >>> NEW MEXICO 5 7.9 12.9
    >>> IDAHO 5 8.2 13.2
    >>> HAWAII 4 10 14
    >>> MAINE 6 8.5 14.5
    >>> IOWA 5 9.98 14.98
    >>> MINNESOTA 6.5 8.5 15
    >>> DIST. OF COLUMBIA 5.75 9.5 15.25
    >>> CALIFORNIA 7.25 9.3 16.55
    >>> NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 17
    >>> MASSACHUSETTS 5 15 20
    >>> VERMONT 5 25 30
    >>> RHODE ISLAND 7 27.5 34.5
    >>>
    >>> wonder why it's so much more expensive in say rhode island than say
    >>> new hampshire?
    >>>
    >>>

    >> But you can't draw any meaningful conclusion from your list. There are
    >> other taxes and taxes disguised as fees. In order to draw a meaningful
    >> conclusion you would need to use a model of a typical family and then
    >> look at the total taxes that would be applied to that unit in each
    >> state.

    >
    > Sure you can, roughly, $40,000 of income, looking at state income and sales
    > tax only (nothing else)..... vermont 30%, new hampshire 0%..... 30% of
    > 40,000 (12k) is way more than 0% of 40,000 (0)


    You are assuming that the entirety of that income is spent on items that
    sales tax is required for. I know here in Indiana, unprepared food is
    sales tax exempt. That's a large portion of a lot of people's purchases.

    > can you think of ANY fees that add up to $12,000 per year? (I can't)


    Property tax on houses. Hmmm, in some states, yes.



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