Nokia 6110 Navigator

The missus is interested in the Nokia 6110 Navigator. I looked on
Telstra's website but it doesn't have it available. She saw an ad for one
in the latest DSE catalog.

I looked it up on Nokia's website. It says this:



* GSM/EDGE Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
* WCDMA HSDPA 2100 MHz

Does this mean that it's not a NextG phone? Is it indeed, 3G?

The "GSM/Edge" has 850 Mhz as one of its frequencies, but I'm told that
NextG is WCDMA 850 Mhz.

Presumably it has a standard GPS receiver built in.

What do you guys reckon?

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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:56:31 Snapper may have written:
> The missus is interested in the Nokia 6110 Navigator. I looked on
> Telstra's website but it doesn't have it available.

Doesn't do HSDPA at 850MHz.

> * GSM/EDGE Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
> * WCDMA HSDPA 2100 MHz
>
> Does this mean that it's not a NextG phone?

Correct.

> Is it indeed, 3G?

Yep, and 3.5G (ie, HSDPA), but only at the more common 2100MHz.

PD

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Paul Day

Paul Day wrote...

>
> > * GSM/EDGE Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
> > * WCDMA HSDPA 2100 MHz
> >
> > Does this mean that it's not a NextG phone?
>
> Correct.

What does the GSM 850 band do, then? Would that get a connection to a
NextG service say, out in the boonies where there is NextG but no GSM? But
not have access to the NextG 3G services?

Paul Day wrote...

> > * GSM/EDGE Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
> > * WCDMA HSDPA 2100 MHz
> >
> > Does this mean that it's not a NextG phone?

I forgot to mention in the last post of mine. If this phone could connect
to a NextG service but be devoid of 3G services that wouldn't be an issue.
It's the ability to connect to a network when roaming outside major
coverage areas is what's important, not the ability to watch Foxtel on a
2" screen or to have a video conference with the Bahrain office.

Snapper wrote:

> Paul Day wrote...
>
>>
>> > * GSM/EDGE Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
>> > * WCDMA HSDPA 2100 MHz
>> >
>> > Does this mean that it's not a NextG phone?
>>
>> Correct.
>
> What does the GSM 850 band do, then? Would that get a
> connection to a NextG service say, out in the boonies where
> there is NextG but no GSM? But not have access to the NextG 3G
> services?

No. You can't use 850 MHz UMTS services with this phone,
period.

At the radio layer, 2GSM and 3GSM (which is also known as UMTS
and as W-CDMA) are like chalk and cheese. 2GSM is a TDMA
architecture, while 3GSM (eg NextG) uses a variant of CDMA.

This phone will not even be able to use a NextG service for 112
emergency calls.

John

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:48:21 Snapper may have written:
> > Correct.
>
> What does the GSM 850 band do, then?

It does GSM (ie, 2G) at 850MHz, as it's name implies. It'll also do GPRS
(2.5) and no doubt EDGE (2.75G).

GSM at 850MHz is (predominately) used in North America. Most of the
world stuck with 900 and then 1800. North America started with 1900 (due
to other use at 900 and 1800) and then 850.

> Would that get a connection to a NextG service say, out in the boonies
> where there is NextG but no GSM? But not have access to the NextG 3G
> services?

Nope. NextG is 3G (UMTS on WCDMA) and 3.5G (HSDPA) at 850MHz. Although
3G is backwards compatible with 2G in a number of regards, and all 3G
phones will also be able to talk 2G, they're two completely different
radio layers. GSM uses TDMA (time multiplexing) while 3GSM uses CDMA
(Channel multiplexing).

ie, a GSM-only phone at 850MHz will _not_ be able to talk to a 3G
network at 850MHz.

PD

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Paul Day
http://www.enigma.id.au/

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:52:52 Snapper may have written:
> I forgot to mention in the last post of mine. If this phone could connect
> to a NextG service but be devoid of 3G services that wouldn't be an issue.

It'll connect to the Telstra GSM network and the Telstra 3G network (ie,
their 2100MHz 3G network shared with Three), but it won't connect to the
Telstra NextG network, no.

I think you'll be waiting until Nokia put out a 6110 that does HSDPA at
850MHz. They've already done it for the N95 so surely it's only a
matter of time.

> It's the ability to connect to a network when roaming outside major
> coverage areas is what's important, not the ability to watch Foxtel on
> a 2" screen or to have a video conference with the Bahrain office.

Indeed... Telstra Marketing would have you beleive otherwise though,
wouldn't they.

PD

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Paul Day
http://www.enigma.id.au/

Paul Day wrote...

> I think you'll be waiting until Nokia put out a 6110 that does HSDPA at
> 850MHz. They've already done it for the N95 so surely it's only a
> matter of time.

Well, it's a phone that the missus is interested in. She's also attracted
to the N95. But having had a quick look at both in the shops she's not
sure what she wants. But I'm trying to convince her that if she wants
solid coverage then go with NextG. She can then do the fancy shmancy
things on the NextG network, like chat to her granddaughter via video call
if she do desires (although it's probably cheaper to drive down to visit).

> Indeed... Telstra Marketing would have you beleive otherwise though,
> wouldn't they.

3G, I thought, was primarily marketed at the business sector. Certainly
the pricing structures for the data side of things is aimed in that
direction. But I s'pose that by promoting money wasting fluff like
television on your mobile, which to me is sort of like watching the
television from 100 metres away, is one way of attracting the teenage
masses who still have yet to develop cognitive thought processes.

(and ditto their parents who fork over the dough to pay for this rubbish).


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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:24:45 Snapper may have written:
> Well, it's a phone that the missus is interested in. She's also
> attracted to the N95. But having had a quick look at both in the shops
> she's not sure what she wants. But I'm trying to convince her that if
> she wants solid coverage then go with NextG. She can then do the fancy
> shmancy things on the NextG network, like chat to her granddaughter
> via video call if she do desires (although it's probably cheaper to
> drive down to visit).

Also cheaper to use Three...

Personally I'd go for for the 6120c and a little bluetooth GPS. Cheaper,
much smaller handset, better battery life.

PD

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Paul Day

Paul Day wrote...

> Also cheaper to use Three...

No Three coverage here, only NextG (and Telstra, Optus, etc. GSM).

> Personally I'd go for for the 6120c and a little bluetooth GPS. Cheaper,
> much smaller handset, better battery life.

One of the problems that she has with her current Nokia is that it's too
small. One of the things that women want with a phone is that it doesn't
get "lost" in their handbags a lot of which these days come with dedicated
pockets for phones.


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