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    bmw1986
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    Check it out:

    Blackberry 8800 Spotted, Spec List, Too - Gizmodo

    Who do you think will be the carrier for this baby?


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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by bmw1986
    Check it out:

    Blackberry 8800 Spotted, Spec List, Too - Gizmodo

    Who do you think will be the carrier for this baby?
    Any thoughts on comparisons between the Pearl and the 8800?



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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    Here's a thought...


    8800 will have a full qwerty keyboard.

    better processor

    still am unhappy with the track ball... im a wheel man



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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    How can it be the ultimate when it's not even 3G?

    No camera either (which isn't a big deal, as "camera phones" are banned in certain business places, court buildings, etc.)

    If it was 3G - would probably be considered the ultimate.

    Loss of scroll wheel is a mistake I think. Not sure the trackball pearl is a good substitute, but maybe it is.


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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    I wouldn't call the 8800 "the ultimate," other than in the technical sense -- I do think it's the best BB available right now for a segment of the market.

    I refused to carry my company's 8700 because I thought it sucked as a phone -- so I was using a Nokia E70 and using RoadSync to keep synchronized with our Exchange system. Our messaging guys had me test-drive a Pearl (until last night -- see below) and I thought it was the best, most delightful Blackberry I'd ever used. It's the only Blackberry I would have purchased with my own money. Keyboard wasn't great, but it was definitely OK, and I'm not in the habit of sending long email responses through my phone anyway.

    But last night I got an 8800 (attended a Cingular/RIM launch event and all attendees got a free 8800), and ... it's pretty sweet. I like the addition of Telenav, and it has all the enhancements that really made a difference for me in using the Pearl -- the trackball and voice dialing being the two huge ones. I love, love, love the trackball -- works much better for me. Keyboard will take a little time to get used to, and it's got funny scallping on the keys that I think helps but still feels a little odd, but I love the huge screen and the ability, again, to have lots more 1-key dialing positions. I'll miss the camera, a little, and the second soft key, but it's nice to have the holster recognition again, too (the Pearl lets you configure in-holster/out-of-holster behavior also, but if there's a holster for it that registers I don't know about it, and it certainly didn't come with one).

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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by royrapoport
    I love the huge screen
    This is the one thing that many of us just don't get about Blackberry people. Who wants to lug around a brick? And if you want to lug around a brick, why compromise for the Blackberry? There are bigger and brickier devices than the Blackberry.

    I'm not anti-Blackberry. I may go with the Pearl soon. I've been a Moto guy for a long time. I find the Pearl to be a good combination of functionality in a form factor that makes sense.

    But unless you work in Silicon Valley where it may be hip to lug around electronics dangling off you like tools on a carpenter's belt, these large phones just look funny. And there is nothing funnier ... and scarier ... than seeing someone driving down the street holding up a slap of a minicomputer to their head trying to have a phone conversation.

    If you want a PDA, that's cool. But a phone should be a phone ... something that doesn't look like you're talking into a brick when you use it.
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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    What can I say? How about "what are you doing on the RIM forum?"



    I'll tell you that until I started working in this company, I wasn't a big fan of always having email at my fingertips. Now that I do, it's pretty addictive. I've even become one of those jerks who drives while looking at email, though my fiancee kicks my ass every time she finds me doing it.

    By necessity, any device that compromises on its ability to deliver two or more functions in order to deliver those functions will not be the best in delivering any one of those functions. The BB is not an ideal email platform -- my laptop, coupled with my server, is. It's also not an ideal phone -- My Nokia is. But I'll tell you -- for something I can just put in my pocket, it does an admirable job combining those capabilities in a device I never have to turn on, take out of a laptop bag, or wait to finish booting.

    Regards,
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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by royrapoport
    What can I say? How about "what are you doing on the RIM forum?"
    I didn't realize you owned CPF and get to dictate who is allowed to visit here. Is this a private forum closed to the public? Or is your Blackberry so weak a product that you cannot stand a little constructive criticism about one of its models?

    I believe if you read my original post you might notice that I said that I was probably going to get a Pearl soon. Since you require an explanation for my presence here, I would say that I am still on the fence about the Pearl and seeking to make up my mind as to whether I want to take the plunge. Your flippant response does little to reinforce that Blackberry is really the manufacturer for me. Usually people who really like a product tout its strengths rather than insinuate that people with questions should get lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by royrapoport
    I'll tell you that until I started working in this company
    You work for Blackberry and you are this insecure about your product? That is amazing.

    Quote Originally Posted by royrapoport
    The BB is not an ideal email platform -- my laptop, coupled with my server, is. It's also not an ideal phone -- My Nokia is. But I'll tell you -- for something I can just put in my pocket, it does an admirable job combining those capabilities in a device I never have to turn on, take out of a laptop bag, or wait to finish booting.
    That would be the heart of my earlier questions. There are small computing devices that would seem to be better email processors and there are cooler phones that are better for handling mobile voice communications. You could combine a toaster oven and a cell phone but what would be the advantage?

    I see certain benefits of the Pearl but just don't see how the 8800 is that cool. It's too small to be an effective computer and too large to be an effective phone. It would seem to be smarter to get a small computer for email and a really top of the line phone for communication rather than forcing two communication devices into one and not really producing the best of either in the process.



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    royrapoport
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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by wirelessfan
    I didn't realize you owned CPF and get to dictate who is allowed to visit here. Is this a private forum closed to the public? Or is your Blackberry so weak a product that you cannot stand a little constructive criticism about one of its models?
    Oops. Sorry, wirelessfan -- my flippant response was, in fact, flippant. It wasn't meant to come across as disrespectful, and I apologize that it came across as that. Obviously, I miscommunicated.

    Quote Originally Posted by wirelessfan
    Your flippant response does little to reinforce that Blackberry is really the manufacturer for me. Usually people who really like a product tout its strengths rather than insinuate that people with questions should get lost.
    Firstly, I wouldn't claim Blackberry (RIM, really) is the manufacturer for you. Obviously, that's for you to determine. I'm not actually here to persuade you that you should buy the Pearl or the 8800. Rather, I'm here to speak of my own experience in the hope it'll prove to be relevant to someone else. If you read what I say about my own device usage and leave that with "yeah, OK, this is definitely not the device for me," then I definitely would consider myself successful in adding value to the conversation.

    Secondly, I've been touting my 8800's (and my previous 8100's) strengths. That you've not heard that because you got distracted by my poor attempt at humor (did you notice the smilie, by the way?) is unfortunate.

    Quote Originally Posted by wirelessfan
    You work for Blackberry and you are this insecure about your product? That is amazing.
    I'm not sure where you got the impression that I work for Blackberry, though I can see that my reference to "this company" was needlessly vague. For what it's worth, I don't work for Blackberry, Cingular, or any other company with a vested financial interest in the success of any of these platforms. The company for which I work is purely a customer of these two companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by wirelessfan
    That would be the heart of my earlier questions. There are small computing devices that would seem to be better email processors and there are cooler phones that are better for handling mobile voice communications. You could combine a toaster oven and a cell phone but what would be the advantage?
    Given that I rarely need to make toast while waiting for my meal, pretty minimal. However, given that being reachable -- for me -- means having access to both email and phone, for me it makes sense to have one device to carry rather than the proverbial geek's toolbelt of specialized devices.

    Quote Originally Posted by wirelessfan
    I see certain benefits of the Pearl but just don't see how the 8800 is that cool. It's too small to be an effective computer and too large to be an effective phone. It would seem to be smarter to get a small computer for email and a really top of the line phone for communication rather than forcing two communication devices into one and not really producing the best of either in the process.
    I urge you, then, to avoid the 8800. Simple, eh?

    On a more serious note, I'd say that of RIM's devices other than the Pearl, the 8800 is the coolest. Thing is, that's not a hard thing to say, and it doesn't mean much. You want a cool phone, I personally would prefer Nokia's Symbians, but I also know a bunch of really hot fashion phones I would say are cool. The 8800? Definitely, completely, most assuredly not cool. It's the least uncool of RIM's business devices. That's as far as I'd go

    I hope this helps to add value to this conversation rather than further enflame passions.



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    Re: 8800?? Could this be the ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by royrapoport
    On a more serious note, I'd say that of RIM's devices other than the Pearl, the 8800 is the coolest.
    I've traditionally not been impressed with Blackberry's devices because I'm a "form factor" kinda guy. If the form factor doesn't grab me right away, I usually am not interested in looking deeper into the product. Blackberry's traditional form factors have been far too large and way too plastic-ikky. The people who wore them on their belt looked like total geeks. Then along came the Pearl and changed that image. Now we see RIM gravitating back to a geekier image.

    My last post questioned the design of the 8800 as "too small to be an effective computer and too large to be an effective phone (and that) forcing two communication devices into one (does) not really play to the best of either in the process." I believe this is a summation that a lot of people have about Blackberrys ... too big, too geeky, not an effective computer, not a practical phone. I'm still lost as to how something that doesn't make a great computer or a great phone but just makes a lot of compromises to force two uniquely different form factors and functions into a silly sized product makes sense. No one can explain this and I seem to get responses that say "you don't belong here" or "this product isn't for you" rather than either:

    a.) No what you aren't seeing is .... blah, blah, blah ...

    or...

    b.) You're right, the combined functions of a too small computer and a too large phone really isn't the greatest combinations of two products into one but we like it anyway even if it doesn't make sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by royrapoport
    I also know a bunch of really hot fashion phones I would say are cool. The 8800? Definitely, completely, most assuredly not cool. It's the least uncool of RIM's business devices. That's as far as I'd go.
    Still waiting to understand why.

    Since I've been studying the Pearl pretty intensively, perhaps you could offer a few examples as to why the 8800 is significantly better than the Pearl to help people unversed with RIM-ology to better see what you seem to see so clearly.



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