- 04-27-2005, 06:57 AM #1Junior Member
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hello everybody, im a composer who is really interested in making ringtones. i just need to know the technical aspect behind it. I have been researching online for awhile now but havent found any good info yet. I have read the sticky but I need more info. anything would be appreciated. also once I figure out how this thing works, I am more than willing to take requests because composing is real easy for me Im just lost on the exporting and importing part of it... thanks!
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- 04-27-2005, 08:25 AM #2
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Is it midi files you'll be compsing?
I know nothing about composing, but am sure you'll find others here in this forum and also at mdibuddy Hidden Content hope this helps
- 04-27-2005, 10:41 AM #3Junior Member
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thanks for the link twin, i really appreciate it... yeah its midi files... another question, how many kind of polyphony is there for cellphones?
- 04-27-2005, 01:36 PM #4
not sure what you mean by the question, but a polyphonic tone will be different among different phones, where some phones have a 8-chord, 16-chord, 24-chord, 40-chord, and even 60-chord polyphonic support making the ringtones sound better with more instruments playing. if that didnt answer sorry, maybe you need a composers point of view? :-)
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- 04-27-2005, 01:58 PM #5Junior Member
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- 04-27-2005, 04:05 PM #6
I'm pretty sure that most phones these days use standard 40-track polyphony.. but some of the more advanced phones have moved up to 60-track already. 40 is a maximum, however, solely meaning that up to 40 different tracks CAN be playing at the same time, but they aren't necessarily all used. Much of the time these extra tracks are used for doubling or tripling up on certain instruments for a fuller, louder sound, but very scarcely are all tracks of a midi used at once.
and i wonder
if anything could ever feel this real forever
if anything could ever be this good again
- 04-27-2005, 04:11 PM #7
As a "blossoming" composer myself, I became interested in the technical composing aspect mostly to design my own MIDIs of songs that I could not find anywhere else, such as obscure indie tracks and some of my favorite non-mainstream artists. Once you learn the ropes, which I did by poking around in Anvil Studio (pretty much the staple for editing, designing and composing MIDIs - available for free download at Hidden Content ), you can compose great sounding MIDIs in a matter of minutes, whenever you feel the whim or hear a song you like. If you just keep at it, though, things will come to you. (Of course, it doesn't help to have a pretty good sense of rhythm from playing guitar for a few years. Hidden Content )
and i wonder
if anything could ever feel this real forever
if anything could ever be this good again
- 04-27-2005, 10:38 PM #8Junior Member
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another question.... when you finish composing a midi sequence and you send it to a phone.... will it come out EXACTLY the same that you hear on your sequences or will it use the default instruments thats on the phone? because im confused, midi is just information. it doesnt have any sounds.... so im assuming all the instruments thats playing on the phone are the default sounds embedded on the phone?
- 04-27-2005, 10:58 PM #9
Maybe not exactly but it can come out very close if you want that...
You mentioned you like to compose... just ringtones or in general?
- 04-27-2005, 10:59 PM #10
Unfortunately yes, the tone will use the default instruments embedded in the phone, just as the tone uses the default instruments in a computer sequencer. I have had many a MIDI sound great on the computer only to end up jumbled and unintelligible on the phone. However, quite a few have also sounded jumbled on the computer and ended up clear and true on the phone, so it's alot of trial and error. Each phone has preprogrammed instruments on it, and it assigns each track an instrument given the information the MIDI carries. You seem like you've looked into this enough to realize that, so I won't delve much more into that, but in closing to answer your question, the instruments are embedded in the phone and not very often at all does a MIDI sound EXACTLY the same as on a sequencer.
and i wonder
if anything could ever feel this real forever
if anything could ever be this good again
- 04-27-2005, 11:44 PM #11
- 04-27-2005, 11:59 PM #12Junior Member
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Hidden Content Originally Posted by vballr
so lets say i got ahold of a bunch of ringtones from the net and load it up on different phones... will the instruments sound different on each one??? also i finished a couple of sequences and saved it as a midi but when i try and play it on my media player for playback, all the instruments becomes the generic piano... any idea why it does that??? i use cubase sx btw...
- 04-28-2005, 12:24 AM #13
Well, unfortunately I'm not familiar with Cubase SX, but it may be saving your MIDI as a type 1 or a type 0 that might be the problem... try checking on that. Also, I can't say I'm too experienced with loading tones on different phones, but I think we've all heard 50 Cent's "In Da Club" enough different times that I'm pretty sure that most phones will sound slightly different instrument-wise. But, like I said, I can't be positive since I don't test a single tone on more than my own phone.
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if anything could ever feel this real forever
if anything could ever be this good again
- 04-28-2005, 05:25 PM #14Junior Member
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thanks... everything is appreciated... Hidden Content
- 04-28-2005, 06:41 PM #15
most phones out nowadays are 40-chord phones, the 60 is usually for higher end phones, and most of samsungs newer phones, and tones do sound different between different phones, for instance a particular instrument may not play due to lack of chord support or it may play but altered because of the phone's own instruments being limited. I edit plenty of MIDI's, since im not rhythm oriented to make em haha, and mixing around instruments definitely makes or breaks the song when put on a phone. Once you get used to the way YOUR phone sounds, then you'll be throwing those midi's out like crazy!!
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