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- 12-02-2005, 06:49 AM #1Mr XGuest
Muddle over mobile phone calls blocked on July 7
Hugh Muir
Friday December 2, 2005
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlo...655973,00.html
More than a million mobile phone calls were blocked on the day of the
London bombings, against the wishes of the most senior police officers
in charge, it emerged yesterday.
The Cabinet Office is being asked to re-examine the relationship between
the phone companies and the most senior officials charged with reacting
to major events after it emerged that City of London police erroneously
ordered the firm O2 to switch to "access overload control" (ACCOLC) in a
one-kilometre-radius area around the Aldgate bombing, where seven people
died.
It happened 90 minutes after police and emergency services commanders on
the key Gold Command Group made a decision not to use those powers on
the basis that it would hamper the subsequent rescue operation and the
search for the attackers. The confusion should never have occurred
because the City of London force was represented on Gold Command.
The switch to access overload control meant that only designated
officials from the emergency services were able to use phones in that
area. Other calls were blocked for almost five hours.
The confusion emerged at the London Assembly, which is conducting a
review of the way authorities and the emergency services reacted on July
7. The Metropolitan police took the lead after the attacks, and last
month Commander Chris Allison told the review committee that Gold
Command had discussed invoking access overload controls at 10.30am.
The phone system was overloaded but the decision was made to keep it
open "because not everybody who was at those scenes in terms of our
staff would have had the ACCOLC-enabled phones". Gold Command also
wanted Londoners to "reassure their families and friends that they were
OK," thus minimising panic.
But yesterday David Sutton, network continuity and restoration manager
for O2, said: "We received a call from City of London police. We
authenticated it and brought in access overload control. It went on at
midday and off at about 4.45pm."
He said the existing protocol merely obliged his company to authenticate
the request with the force involved but not the Gold Command group in
overall charge. The review chairman, Richard Barnes, said: "I find it
extraordinary that there should be a command structure and that people
can just ignore it. This is something that must be investigated as a
matter of urgency."
The force said it could not explain its actions further, "for
operational reasons".
========================================================================
So it is strange that only O2 was forced to shut down, although the BBC
report quoted below seems to be talking about all the mobile networks.
It really is a shame that the old traditional rivalries between the Met
and the City of London Police could not have been put aside for a while.
========================================================================
Thursday, 1 December 2005, 20:40 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4490372.stm
Phone network shutdown over bombs
City of London police called for the mobile phone network to be shutdown
when London was bombed, contrary to the agreed procedure, the BBC has
learned.
The force acted independently to stop mobiles working for four hours
within a one-mile radius of Aldgate Tube station, one of the four sites
hit.
The London Assembly findings come despite the Metropolitan Police (Met)
denying the network was closed down.
The government is to carry out its own investigation into the matter.
After the 7 July bombs, many Londoners were anxious to call family and
friends to let them know they were safe, but were unsuccessful and told
it was due to a systems overload.
The Met said it had rejected an option to switch off the network which
would have allowed access only to emergency service staff with special
sim cards.
Speaking last month, Met Commissioner Chris Allason said: "The decision
between all of us was - no we are quite happy. We are content we have
got command and control through our radio systems."
But on Thursday, it emerged a senior City of London officer had made the
decision, despite being part of the Gold Command team which had decided
against the move.
A Met spokeswoman said: "Any such closure was unilateral and not
communicated or authorised by the command group."
David Sutton, of O2, told the London Assembly the decision had caused
confusion.
"On the day, for Gold Command to have a different view from one of the
forces was not a satisfactory conclusion."
Richard Barnes, Conservative London Assembly member, said: "That the
City Police, a local police service, could make a decision outside that
chain of command to close down the mobile service... I find it
extraordinary."
City of London police, however, told BBC News the decision was made by
the most senior officer and they would do the same again if they needed
to retain communication.
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- 12-02-2005, 11:22 AM #2housetrainedGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
Of course the REAL reason is to stop would be attackers using mobiles to
remotely detonate bombs.
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> Muddle over mobile phone calls blocked on July 7
>
> Hugh Muir
> Friday December 2, 2005
>
> The Guardian
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlo...655973,00.html
>
> More than a million mobile phone calls were blocked on the day of the
> London bombings, against the wishes of the most senior police officers
> in charge, it emerged yesterday.
>
> The Cabinet Office is being asked to re-examine the relationship between
> the phone companies and the most senior officials charged with reacting
> to major events after it emerged that City of London police erroneously
> ordered the firm O2 to switch to "access overload control" (ACCOLC) in a
> one-kilometre-radius area around the Aldgate bombing, where seven people
> died.
>
> It happened 90 minutes after police and emergency services commanders on
> the key Gold Command Group made a decision not to use those powers on
> the basis that it would hamper the subsequent rescue operation and the
> search for the attackers. The confusion should never have occurred
> because the City of London force was represented on Gold Command.
>
> The switch to access overload control meant that only designated
> officials from the emergency services were able to use phones in that
> area. Other calls were blocked for almost five hours.
>
> The confusion emerged at the London Assembly, which is conducting a
> review of the way authorities and the emergency services reacted on July
> 7. The Metropolitan police took the lead after the attacks, and last
> month Commander Chris Allison told the review committee that Gold
> Command had discussed invoking access overload controls at 10.30am.
>
> The phone system was overloaded but the decision was made to keep it
> open "because not everybody who was at those scenes in terms of our
> staff would have had the ACCOLC-enabled phones". Gold Command also
> wanted Londoners to "reassure their families and friends that they were
> OK," thus minimising panic.
>
> But yesterday David Sutton, network continuity and restoration manager
> for O2, said: "We received a call from City of London police. We
> authenticated it and brought in access overload control. It went on at
> midday and off at about 4.45pm."
>
> He said the existing protocol merely obliged his company to authenticate
> the request with the force involved but not the Gold Command group in
> overall charge. The review chairman, Richard Barnes, said: "I find it
> extraordinary that there should be a command structure and that people
> can just ignore it. This is something that must be investigated as a
> matter of urgency."
>
> The force said it could not explain its actions further, "for
> operational reasons".
> ========================================================================
>
> So it is strange that only O2 was forced to shut down, although the BBC
> report quoted below seems to be talking about all the mobile networks.
>
> It really is a shame that the old traditional rivalries between the Met
> and the City of London Police could not have been put aside for a while.
>
> ========================================================================
> Thursday, 1 December 2005, 20:40 GMT
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4490372.stm
>
> Phone network shutdown over bombs
>
> City of London police called for the mobile phone network to be shutdown
> when London was bombed, contrary to the agreed procedure, the BBC has
> learned.
>
> The force acted independently to stop mobiles working for four hours
> within a one-mile radius of Aldgate Tube station, one of the four sites
> hit.
>
> The London Assembly findings come despite the Metropolitan Police (Met)
> denying the network was closed down.
>
> The government is to carry out its own investigation into the matter.
>
> After the 7 July bombs, many Londoners were anxious to call family and
> friends to let them know they were safe, but were unsuccessful and told
> it was due to a systems overload.
>
> The Met said it had rejected an option to switch off the network which
> would have allowed access only to emergency service staff with special
> sim cards.
>
> Speaking last month, Met Commissioner Chris Allason said: "The decision
> between all of us was - no we are quite happy. We are content we have
> got command and control through our radio systems."
>
> But on Thursday, it emerged a senior City of London officer had made the
> decision, despite being part of the Gold Command team which had decided
> against the move.
>
> A Met spokeswoman said: "Any such closure was unilateral and not
> communicated or authorised by the command group."
>
> David Sutton, of O2, told the London Assembly the decision had caused
> confusion.
>
> "On the day, for Gold Command to have a different view from one of the
> forces was not a satisfactory conclusion."
>
> Richard Barnes, Conservative London Assembly member, said: "That the
> City Police, a local police service, could make a decision outside that
> chain of command to close down the mobile service... I find it
> extraordinary."
>
> City of London police, however, told BBC News the decision was made by
> the most senior officer and they would do the same again if they needed
> to retain communication.
> --
> Mr X
- 12-02-2005, 12:22 PM #3Steve WalkerGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
Mr X wrote:
> But on Thursday, it emerged a senior City of London officer had
> made the decision, despite being part of the Gold Command team
> which had decided against the move.
>
> A Met spokeswoman said: "Any such closure was unilateral and not
> communicated or authorised by the command group."
>
> David Sutton, of O2, told the London Assembly the decision had
> caused confusion.
>
> "On the day, for Gold Command to have a different view from one
> of the forces was not a satisfactory conclusion."
>
> Richard Barnes, Conservative London Assembly member, said: "That
> the City Police, a local police service, could make a decision
> outside that chain of command to close down the mobile service...
> I find it extraordinary."
>
> City of London police, however, told BBC News the decision was
> made by the most senior officer and they would do the same again
> if they needed to retain communication.
This appears to me to be 'softening up' for merging the City force into the
Met.
- 12-02-2005, 02:56 PM #4allan tracyGuest
Re: Phone network shutdown over bombs
>
> So it is strange that only O2 was forced to shut down, although the BBC
> report quoted below seems to be talking about all the mobile networks.
>
If the emergency services with ACCOLC phones were all on the same
network, which is likely, then it would not make sense to restrict
calls on the other networks.
Companies and organisations tend to select only one network vendor for
their telephony requirements.
- 12-02-2005, 05:38 PM #5Ivor JonesGuest
Re: Phone network shutdown over bombs
"allan tracy" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> > So it is strange that only O2 was forced to shut down,
> > although the BBC report quoted below seems to be
> > talking about all the mobile networks.
> >
>
> If the emergency services with ACCOLC phones were all on
> the same network, which is likely, then it would not make
> sense to restrict calls on the other networks.
>
> Companies and organisations tend to select only one
> network vendor for their telephony requirements.
Not if it's mission critical. For example, the BBC and other broadcast
organisations tend to equip their OB vans with at least two phones on
different networks.
Ivor
- 12-03-2005, 07:47 AM #6OldBillGuest
Re: Phone network shutdown over bombs
allan tracy wrote:
>> So it is strange that only O2 was forced to shut down, although the BBC
>> report quoted below seems to be talking about all the mobile networks.
>>
>
> If the emergency services with ACCOLC phones were all on the same
> network, which is likely, then it would not make sense to restrict
> calls on the other networks.
>
> Companies and organisations tend to select only one network vendor for
> their telephony requirements.
>
I thought those phones could use any network
- 12-03-2005, 08:09 AM #7R. Mark ClaytonGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
"Steve Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mr X wrote:
>
>> But on Thursday, it emerged a senior City of London officer had
>> made the decision, despite being part of the Gold Command team
>> which had decided against the move.
>>
The Aldgate incident occured at a place where the train emerges from cut and
cover tunnel into the open, and the CoLP may well have feared that the
device was detonated by mobile phone as in Madrid. The Met' knew that two
out of three of theirs were in actually underground and not in cellphone
coverage. In addition the City has even greater denisty of people on a
workday than the rest of London, so CoLP may have been experiencing greater
congestion problems. Most workers in the City would be within a short walk
of their landline phone.
>
> This appears to me to be 'softening up' for merging the City force into
> the Met.
Which makes some sense, perhaps the City boys could clean up the Met'>
Compare the virtually insane proposals to do away with the transport police.
I have already experienced a "which force area are you in" muddle in a life
and death situation, when the incident was near force boundaries, and it
wasn't funny. Even with force mergers you can imagine the confusion as the
999 operator tries to establish where a high speed train is and route the
call before the train is in the next force area or the one beyond...
- 12-03-2005, 09:28 AM #8DMacGuest
Re: Phone network shutdown over bombs
> I thought those phones could use any network
The "gold" sims are tied to a network
- 12-03-2005, 12:24 PM #9Mike RossGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
On 2 Dec 2005 06:49:03 -0600, Mr X <[email protected]> wrote:
<big snips>
>========================================================================
>Thursday, 1 December 2005, 20:40 GMT
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4490372.stm
>The Met said it had rejected an option to switch off the network which
>would have allowed access only to emergency service staff with special
>sim cards.
I predict a thriving black market in such 'special' SIM cards, or
'hacked' cards which have the 'special' attributes set - now that
people are more aware of how the powers that be can take control of
the phone system. Not nice.
Does anyone know how hackable this stuff is?
Mike
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- 12-03-2005, 12:31 PM #10Mike RossGuest
Re: Phone network shutdown over bombs
On 2 Dec 2005 12:56:00 -0800, "allan tracy"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> So it is strange that only O2 was forced to shut down, although the BBC
>> report quoted below seems to be talking about all the mobile networks.
>>
>
>If the emergency services with ACCOLC phones were all on the same
>network, which is likely, then it would not make sense to restrict
>calls on the other networks.
>
>Companies and organisations tend to select only one network vendor for
>their telephony requirements.
Translation: put all their emergency eggs in one basket? Probably
not...
Mike
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- 12-03-2005, 01:20 PM #11JonGuest
Re: Phone network shutdown over bombs
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> I thought those phones could use any network
You thought wrong.
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- 12-03-2005, 09:37 PM #12Mike RossGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:23:13 -0000, Jon <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>> I predict a thriving black market in such 'special' SIM cards, or
>> 'hacked' cards which have the 'special' attributes set - now that
>> people are more aware of how the powers that be can take control of
>> the phone system. Not nice.
>>
>> Does anyone know how hackable this stuff is?
>
>It's not.
>
>It's all controlled by networks anyway. An ACCOLC SIM can be switched on
>and off just like an ordinary SIM at the behest of the network operator.
>The flag is on the network end (probably on the HLR), not a physical
>attribute of the SIM card itself.
Ahhhhh ok. So there's in fact nothing special about these SIM cards at
all - the network just has a list of numbers which are exluded from
being blocked? i.e. if Joe Public calls they get 'no service', if Joe
Cop calls from a phone with a SIM which is 'on the list', they get
connected? Is that how it works?
Then yes, the only possible hack would be at the network level -
getting your SIM added to the list...
Mike
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- 12-04-2005, 03:01 AM #13JonGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
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> Ahhhhh ok. So there's in fact nothing special about these SIM cards at
> all - the network just has a list of numbers which are exluded from
> being blocked? i.e. if Joe Public calls they get 'no service', if Joe
> Cop calls from a phone with a SIM which is 'on the list', they get
> connected? Is that how it works?
Yep.
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- 12-05-2005, 03:50 AM #14Bet no OneGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
"Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>> I predict a thriving black market in such 'special' SIM cards, or
>> 'hacked' cards which have the 'special' attributes set - now that
>> people are more aware of how the powers that be can take control of
>> the phone system. Not nice.
>>
>> Does anyone know how hackable this stuff is?
>
> It's not.
>
> It's all controlled by networks anyway. An ACCOLC SIM can be switched on
> and off just like an ordinary SIM at the behest of the network operator.
> The flag is on the network end (probably on the HLR), not a physical
> attribute of the SIM card itself.
> --
> Regards
> Jon
Sorry Jon,
The ACCOLC setting that the handset is using is a setting on the SIM (in
EFACC if DF GSM). The handset will not even attempt to communicate with
the network unless one of the 15 classes set on the SIM (or USIM) matches
one of the valid classes the base station says it can accept. There is one
exception to this - class 10 - which controls whether emergency calls can
get through, the setting for class 10 on the SIM is always assumed to be set
regardless of its state on the SIM.
The EF ACC file is protected so that only the operator can alter it.
With regards to hacking SIMs, there are very few hackable SIMs in the UK as
all of the oprators moved away from the 'flawed algorithm' many years ago
and some never used this algorithm. The priority ACCOLC settings on the SIM
are only applicable in the Home network so finding a hackable foreign SIM
wont help either.
Of course, the network will know if you have tried to register in a
restricted cell and if its record show that you should not have been able
to, they can instantly detect you are using a cloned card and act
accordingly.
Bet
- 12-05-2005, 04:39 AM #15PeterGuest
Re: [Mobile] Phone network shutdown over bombs
housetrained <[email protected]> wrote:
> Of course the REAL reason is to stop would be attackers using
> mobiles to remotely detonate bombs.
That would be a pretty neat trick, given you can't actually get a
mobile signal down in the bowels of the Tube.
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