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  1. #1
    Fred Finisterre
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  2. #2
    Matt Wheeler
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    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?


    "Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Thanks.


    It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the
    prices (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly
    off-putting....





  3. #3
    Simon Dean
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    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    Matt Wheeler wrote:
    > "Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>Thanks.

    >
    >
    > It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the
    > prices (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly
    > off-putting....
    >
    >


    I thought they were supposed to offer the same deals for upgrades as
    they did for new customers now? At least there was a big hullaballoo
    last year. Then O2 followed suit. Then it seems orange stopped doing that?



  4. #4
    Matt Wheeler
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?


    "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >> "Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>Thanks.

    >>
    >>
    >> It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the
    >> prices (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly
    >> off-putting....

    >
    > I thought they were supposed to offer the same deals for upgrades as
    > they did for new customers now? At least there was a big hullaballoo
    > last year. Then O2 followed suit. Then it seems orange stopped doing
    > that?
    >


    Yes... I'm sure Jon or the other Simon can explain it better... but...

    Orange put their contract customers into one of 5 bands, which is
    dependent on monthly spend, over a set period, (12 months ? ).
    I'm not sure which order the bands are in (ie, not sure if 1 or 5 is
    for lowest or highest spends), but basically, the band for the highest
    monthly spend gets cheaper (or free) upgrade prices on handsets,
    moving down to stupidly expensive if you are on the lowest spending
    band.

    As a band 3 customer, I was quoted 179.99 to upgrade to an N80,
    whereas, someone on the highest spend band could have it for 49.99.
    not sure on the other levels.
    Other example prices (wihch may have changed slightly) for band 3:
    N70: 99.99, Moto V3x: 49.99, SE W810i: 99.99, SPV c600: free. of
    these, lower spending bands would have been closer to 150 or 200, and
    I think the two "higher" bands were free.

    I seem to recall last year that, yes, upgrades were done similar to
    new customers, at least, based on my tariff, I was able to get a 6630
    for free, same as a new customer on the same tariff.... I guess Orange
    realised it was costing too much because of the subsidy against the
    handsets.

    One thing I have noticed though, is that some higher band customers
    are, at upgrade, being offered better deals on their tariffs as well,
    so getting similar minutes/textx as before but at a lower monthly
    cost.... I wonder if this is a plan by Orange so that when these
    people try to upgrade in 12 or 18 months time, they'll find themselves
    on a lower tariff band and, as such, a higher cost on any handset they
    wish to upgrade to.





  5. #5
    Simon Dean
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    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    Matt Wheeler wrote:
    > "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Thanks.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the
    >>>prices (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly
    >>>off-putting....

    >>
    >>I thought they were supposed to offer the same deals for upgrades as
    >>they did for new customers now? At least there was a big hullaballoo
    >>last year. Then O2 followed suit. Then it seems orange stopped doing
    >>that?
    >>

    >
    >
    > Yes... I'm sure Jon or the other Simon can explain it better... but...
    >
    > Orange put their contract customers into one of 5 bands, which is
    > dependent on monthly spend, over a set period, (12 months ? ).
    > I'm not sure which order the bands are in (ie, not sure if 1 or 5 is
    > for lowest or highest spends), but basically, the band for the highest
    > monthly spend gets cheaper (or free) upgrade prices on handsets,
    > moving down to stupidly expensive if you are on the lowest spending
    > band.
    >



    Thanks for the info. Do you know if bands are calculated still on just
    the, well, line rental charge a month, or does it take into account
    everything else, such as, the fact that I spend a few quid on GPRS, a
    few quid on an extra text message bundle, and always usually a few quid
    more on going over my contract...

    I mean, Im spending about £40 a month on average currently, and that's
    even with half price line rental! In March, I had a bill for £86 after
    sending 500 text messages!

    Yet "Oh, Mr Dean, your upgrade price for an N80 is £229!"

    Might use this opportunity to head over to O2... Anyone any news on N80
    availability on the N80?

    Thanks
    Simon



  6. #6

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:25:24 +0100, Simon Dean
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >line rental charge a month, or does it take into account
    >everything else, such as, the fact that I spend a few quid on GPRS, a
    >few quid on an extra text message bundle, and always usually a few quid
    >more on going over my contract...


    It seems to could line rental and call spend, but ignores revenue from
    incoming calls. I have one phone on VM OVP that costs about £1 per
    month in outgoing calls, but typically took two hours of incoming
    calls each day for several months.

    Assuming a 5p per minute income from that, that's £120 per month, for
    which Orange seem to give no consideration to in how they rate a
    customer.

    --

    Iain
    the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones
    http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html
    Browse now while stocks last!



  7. #7
    Fred Finisterre
    Guest

    Re: I think I may bugger off to T-Mobile Web 'n Walk

    Thanks for all the replies. Seems like the N80 is a pretty expensive
    upgrade! What's the point in being a loyal customer these days.

    I think I've finally decided that after 15+ years with Orange I'm gonna
    leave 'em. I like the look of the forthcoming MDA Vario II (HTC Hermes) on
    T-Mobile. T-Mobile's £7.50 unlimited(ish) Web 'n Walk deal is streets ahead
    of anything Orange have in terms of value, and I'm predominantly a data
    user.

    I reckon Orange are gonna leak loads of customers soon, if they don't come
    up with something to match Web 'n Walk in terms of a good value data tariff.

    Cheers,

    Fred.





  8. #8
    ACDeag
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    on 11/06/2006, Simon Dean supposed :
    > Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >> "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the prices
    >>>> (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly off-putting....
    >>>
    >>>I thought they were supposed to offer the same deals for upgrades as they
    >>> did for new customers now? At least there was a big hullaballoo last year.
    >>> Then O2 followed suit. Then it seems orange stopped doing that?
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Yes... I'm sure Jon or the other Simon can explain it better... but...
    >>
    >> Orange put their contract customers into one of 5 bands, which is
    >> dependent on monthly spend, over a set period, (12 months ? ).
    >> I'm not sure which order the bands are in (ie, not sure if 1 or 5 is for
    >> lowest or highest spends), but basically, the band for the highest monthly
    >> spend gets cheaper (or free) upgrade prices on handsets, moving down to
    >> stupidly expensive if you are on the lowest spending band.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Thanks for the info. Do you know if bands are calculated still on just the,
    > well, line rental charge a month, or does it take into account everything
    > else, such as, the fact that I spend a few quid on GPRS, a few quid on an
    > extra text message bundle, and always usually a few quid more on going over
    > my contract...
    >
    > I mean, Im spending about £40 a month on average currently, and that's even
    > with half price line rental! In March, I had a bill for £86 after sending 500
    > text messages!
    >
    > Yet "Oh, Mr Dean, your upgrade price for an N80 is £229!"
    >
    > Might use this opportunity to head over to O2... Anyone any news on N80
    > availability on the N80?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Simon


    It is available now on O2's site. Flat £99 for the phone.





  9. #9
    ACDeag
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    Simon Dean explained on 11/06/2006 :
    > Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >> "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the prices
    >>>> (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly off-putting....
    >>>
    >>>I thought they were supposed to offer the same deals for upgrades as they
    >>> did for new customers now? At least there was a big hullaballoo last year.
    >>> Then O2 followed suit. Then it seems orange stopped doing that?
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Yes... I'm sure Jon or the other Simon can explain it better... but...
    >>
    >> Orange put their contract customers into one of 5 bands, which is
    >> dependent on monthly spend, over a set period, (12 months ? ).
    >> I'm not sure which order the bands are in (ie, not sure if 1 or 5 is for
    >> lowest or highest spends), but basically, the band for the highest monthly
    >> spend gets cheaper (or free) upgrade prices on handsets, moving down to
    >> stupidly expensive if you are on the lowest spending band.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Thanks for the info. Do you know if bands are calculated still on just the,
    > well, line rental charge a month, or does it take into account everything
    > else, such as, the fact that I spend a few quid on GPRS, a few quid on an
    > extra text message bundle, and always usually a few quid more on going over
    > my contract...
    >
    > I mean, Im spending about £40 a month on average currently, and that's even
    > with half price line rental! In March, I had a bill for £86 after sending 500
    > text messages!
    >
    > Yet "Oh, Mr Dean, your upgrade price for an N80 is £229!"
    >
    > Might use this opportunity to head over to O2... Anyone any news on N80
    > availability on the N80?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Simon


    It is available on O2 now. Minimum charge for the phone is £99 I think.





  10. #10
    Matt Wheeler
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?


    "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >> "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Fred Finisterre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>It has been for at least a couple of weeks or so..... although the
    >>>>prices (Depending on what "band" you are in) are slightly
    >>>>off-putting....
    >>>
    >>>I thought they were supposed to offer the same deals for upgrades
    >>>as they did for new customers now? At least there was a big
    >>>hullaballoo last year. Then O2 followed suit. Then it seems orange
    >>>stopped doing that?
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Yes... I'm sure Jon or the other Simon can explain it better...
    >> but...
    >>
    >> Orange put their contract customers into one of 5 bands, which is
    >> dependent on monthly spend, over a set period, (12 months ? ).
    >> I'm not sure which order the bands are in (ie, not sure if 1 or 5
    >> is for lowest or highest spends), but basically, the band for the
    >> highest monthly spend gets cheaper (or free) upgrade prices on
    >> handsets, moving down to stupidly expensive if you are on the
    >> lowest spending band.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Thanks for the info. Do you know if bands are calculated still on
    > just the, well, line rental charge a month, or does it take into
    > account everything else, such as, the fact that I spend a few quid
    > on GPRS, a few quid on an extra text message bundle, and always
    > usually a few quid more on going over my contract...
    >


    I'm open to be told otherwise, but my understanding is the banding is
    based on the total of your bills, so would include any bundles (data,
    text etc) and also Orange Care.


    > I mean, Im spending about £40 a month on average currently, and
    > that's even with half price line rental! In March, I had a bill for
    > £86 after sending 500 text messages!
    >
    > Yet "Oh, Mr Dean, your upgrade price for an N80 is £229!"
    >


    Thats surprising, when were you quoted that price ? Based on what
    you've said about your spending, I'd put you at worst on the same band
    as myself, but most likely on a higher band, and therefore qualfying
    for cheaper upgrade price, not more expensive...
    That being said, when Orange (in store and over the phone) quoted me
    180 to upgrade to the N80 it was May, and its possible the price may
    have changed on June 1st, but I'd be surprised if the prices had gone
    up by such a large margin.
    I'd recommend going to an Orange shop, where at the very least they'll
    be able to check which "band" you are in, and give you accurate
    information on upgrade prices.

    Just thinking about it though.... I assume you're within 1 or 2 months
    (or already past) the minimum term on your current contract ? If not,
    that may account for the higher price, as it'll include an "early
    upgrade" fee as well as the charge for the handset.

    Matt






  11. #11
    Jon
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    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > Thanks for the info. Do you know if bands are calculated still on just
    > the, well, line rental charge a month, or does it take into account
    > everything else, such as, the fact that I spend a few quid on GPRS, a
    > few quid on an extra text message bundle, and always usually a few quid
    > more on going over my contract...


    Bill spend, 12 month rolling average. Length of time with Orange is also
    included as are a number of other factors. Bill spend is the primary
    variable in the calculation.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  12. #12
    Jon
    Guest

    Re: I think I may bugger off to T-Mobile Web 'n Walk

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > Thanks for all the replies. Seems like the N80 is a pretty expensive
    > upgrade! What's the point in being a loyal customer these days.


    It's an expensive phone! Expansys have it £439.95.

    > I think I've finally decided that after 15+ years with Orange


    They've only been in operation for just under 11 years.

    > I'm gonna
    > leave 'em. I like the look of the forthcoming MDA Vario II (HTC Hermes) on
    > T-Mobile. T-Mobile's £7.50 unlimited(ish) Web 'n Walk deal is streets ahead
    > of anything Orange have in terms of value, and I'm predominantly a data
    > user.


    Yes, they do have some catching up to do in that respect.

    > I reckon Orange are gonna leak loads of customers soon, if they don't come
    > up with something to match Web 'n Walk in terms of a good value data tariff.


    Data-only users represent very small sector of the market so I doubt
    they are that worried, along with the other operators.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  13. #13
    Simon Dean
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    Matt Wheeler wrote:

    >
    >> I mean, Im spending about £40 a month on average currently, and
    >> that's even with half price line rental! In March, I had a bill for
    >> £86 after sending 500 text messages!
    >>
    >> Yet "Oh, Mr Dean, your upgrade price for an N80 is £229!"
    >>

    >
    >
    > Thats surprising, when were you quoted that price ? Based on what
    > you've said about your spending, I'd put you at worst on the same
    > band as myself, but most likely on a higher band, and therefore
    > qualfying for cheaper upgrade price, not more expensive...


    I was quoted that just under two weeks ago.

    > Just thinking about it though.... I assume you're within 1 or 2
    > months (or already past) the minimum term on your current contract ?
    > If not, that may account for the higher price, as it'll include an
    > "early upgrade" fee as well as the charge for the handset.
    >



    Golden question.

    Who can tell though.

    My contract was due to expire at the end of May. In March, Orange phoned
    me up and ofered me six months half price line rental. Thought it was
    just a "please stay with us past may". It turns out I was tied into a
    contract until 1st October! Which I didn't want.

    When I did phone up Orange to discuss getting rid of this fraudulent
    contract, or paying off the remaining amount in order to get an early
    upgrade, I was still quoted £229. Really stuck now with what to do.

    But OSPS are offering the phone and tariff I want for a fraction of the
    price. But I've heard a lot of bad things about OSPS recently.

    Cheers
    Simon



  14. #14
    Matt Wheeler
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?


    "Simon Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Matt Wheeler wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>> I mean, Im spending about £40 a month on average currently, and
    >>> that's even with half price line rental! In March, I had a bill
    >>> for
    >>> £86 after sending 500 text messages!
    >>>
    >>> Yet "Oh, Mr Dean, your upgrade price for an N80 is £229!"
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Thats surprising, when were you quoted that price ? Based on what
    >> you've said about your spending, I'd put you at worst on the same
    >> band as myself, but most likely on a higher band, and therefore
    >> qualfying for cheaper upgrade price, not more expensive...

    >
    > I was quoted that just under two weeks ago.
    >
    >> Just thinking about it though.... I assume you're within 1 or 2
    >> months (or already past) the minimum term on your current contract
    >> ?
    >> If not, that may account for the higher price, as it'll include an
    >> "early upgrade" fee as well as the charge for the handset.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Golden question.
    >
    > Who can tell though.
    >
    > My contract was due to expire at the end of May. In March, Orange
    > phoned me up and ofered me six months half price line rental.
    > Thought it was just a "please stay with us past may". It turns out I
    > was tied into a contract until 1st October! Which I didn't want.
    >
    > When I did phone up Orange to discuss getting rid of this fraudulent
    > contract, or paying off the remaining amount in order to get an
    > early upgrade, I was still quoted £229. Really stuck now with what
    > to do.
    >


    You can probably find out if there is an upgrade fee payable if you go
    to Orange's website, go to upgrades and login for pricing details.
    Unless they've changed the design of the page, there will be a box on
    the right stating the upgrade fee which is in addition to any cost on
    the handset itself. If you're still under contract to October, there
    would most likely be a fee payable (maybe 100 or 150 quid ?)


    > But OSPS are offering the phone and tariff I want for a fraction of
    > the price. But I've heard a lot of bad things about OSPS recently.
    >


    I guess if you can afford to keep your current contract going until
    October and pay for a new contract through OSPS (and cope with the
    hassles of running 2 numbers and getting people to use the new one
    instead of the old one), then go for it. Although if the new contract
    would be through Orange, you could do some number porting.





  15. #15
    Simon Dean
    Guest

    Re: Is the Nokia N80 available as an upgrade on Orange yet?

    Matt Wheeler wrote:

    >
    > You can probably find out if there is an upgrade fee payable if you go
    > to Orange's website, go to upgrades and login for pricing details.
    > Unless they've changed the design of the page, there will be a box on
    > the right stating the upgrade fee which is in addition to any cost on
    > the handset itself. If you're still under contract to October, there
    > would most likely be a fee payable (maybe 100 or 150 quid ?)


    £250! Even a Sony Ericcson W810i is down for me, at £149! Despite
    regular phone bills of at least £40 a month (even with the half price
    line rental).


    >>But OSPS are offering the phone and tariff I want for a fraction of
    >>the price. But I've heard a lot of bad things about OSPS recently.

    >
    >
    > I guess if you can afford to keep your current contract going until
    > October and pay for a new contract through OSPS (and cope with the
    > hassles of running 2 numbers and getting people to use the new one
    > instead of the old one), then go for it. Although if the new contract
    > would be through Orange, you could do some number porting.
    >


    I'd be looking to move back to O2. I have heard going with O2 on OSPS,
    means using Carphone Warehouse as the service provider. Shudder.

    Cya
    Simon



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