Issues with 6280

Hi guys, another new phone so I'm back! Hopefully I can get some help
with the below, or if not at least highlight some potential pitfalls to
other prospective owners.

Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:

1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
it is, it's going back.

2. It's got the feature where it auto-generates voice tags for
contacts. Very clever in theory but not very practical. You don't
always (ever?) want to voice dial using how it pronounces the contact's
full name, and if you have more than one number per contact you then
have to use the phone to choose one. Stupid! Is there any way to
record you own voice tag, and any way to choose which of a contact's
numbers to dial by voice command (like the excellent SE approach)?

many thanks

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi guys, another new phone so I'm back! Hopefully I can get some help
> with the below, or if not at least highlight some potential pitfalls to
> other prospective owners.
>
> Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:
>
> 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
> I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
> it is, it's going back.
>
> 2. It's got the feature where it auto-generates voice tags for
> contacts. Very clever in theory but not very practical. You don't
> always (ever?) want to voice dial using how it pronounces the contact's
> full name, and if you have more than one number per contact you then
> have to use the phone to choose one. Stupid! Is there any way to
> record you own voice tag, and any way to choose which of a contact's
> numbers to dial by voice command (like the excellent SE approach)?

If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
charge to ensure max battery life.

Marky K wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi guys, another new phone so I'm back! Hopefully I can get some help
> > with the below, or if not at least highlight some potential pitfalls to
> > other prospective owners.
> >
> > Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:
> >
> > 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
> > I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
> > it is, it's going back.
> >
> > 2. It's got the feature where it auto-generates voice tags for
> > contacts. Very clever in theory but not very practical. You don't
> > always (ever?) want to voice dial using how it pronounces the contact's
> > full name, and if you have more than one number per contact you then
> > have to use the phone to choose one. Stupid! Is there any way to
> > record you own voice tag, and any way to choose which of a contact's
> > numbers to dial by voice command (like the excellent SE approach)?
>
> If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
> charge to ensure max battery life.

hence I wrote *full* charge, not "charged it up when I got it".

And anyway, LiPol batteries shouldn't exhibit the lazy behaviour of the
older metal hydrides.

Could to see that things haven't changed in here.

Darren G wrote:
> Marky K wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi guys, another new phone so I'm back! Hopefully I can get some help
>>> with the below, or if not at least highlight some potential pitfalls to
>>> other prospective owners.
>>>
>>> Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:
>>>
>>> 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
>>> I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
>>> it is, it's going back.
>>>

>> If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
>> charge to ensure max battery life.
>
> hence I wrote *full* charge, not "charged it up when I got it".
>
> And anyway, LiPol batteries shouldn't exhibit the lazy behaviour of the
> older metal hydrides.
>
> Could to see that things haven't changed in here.
>
But they do need to go through a number of charge/discharge cycles
before they gain full capacity.

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Darren G wrote:
> Marky K wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi guys, another new phone so I'm back! Hopefully I can get some help
>>> with the below, or if not at least highlight some potential pitfalls to
>>> other prospective owners.
>>>
>>> Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:
>>>
>>> 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
>>> I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
>>> it is, it's going back.
>>>
>>> 2. It's got the feature where it auto-generates voice tags for
>>> contacts. Very clever in theory but not very practical. You don't
>>> always (ever?) want to voice dial using how it pronounces the contact's
>>> full name, and if you have more than one number per contact you then
>>> have to use the phone to choose one. Stupid! Is there any way to
>>> record you own voice tag, and any way to choose which of a contact's
>>> numbers to dial by voice command (like the excellent SE approach)?
>> If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
>> charge to ensure max battery life.
>
> hence I wrote *full* charge, not "charged it up when I got it".
>
> And anyway, LiPol batteries shouldn't exhibit the lazy behaviour of the
> older metal hydrides.
>
> Could to see that things haven't changed in here.

Well it was a fair point; it takes a number of cycle charges before the
phone will exhibit good battery life.

In article <[email protected]>, Richard D
<[email protected]> writes
>Darren G wrote:
>> Marky K wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...

>>>> Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:

>>>> 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
>>>> I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
>>>> it is, it's going back.

snipped some stuff

>>> If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
>>> charge to ensure max battery life.
>>hence I wrote *full* charge, not "charged it up when I got it". And
>>anyway, LiPol batteries shouldn't exhibit the lazy behaviour of the
>>older metal hydrides.

>>Could to see that things haven't changed in here.

>Well it was a fair point; it takes a number of cycle charges before the
>phone will exhibit good battery life.

So I read but I was under the impression that:

1) The first charge should be for 16 hours straight and
2) As above ... many charges, etc.

My assumption has always been that, even after only the original long
charge, a battery ought to work at above 80% of its ultimate maximum
capacity. That's been my experience - have I been lucky?

80% is a guess on my part but if it's nearly right, then the best the OP
could hope for is <48 hours with only "very light use". (I.e. it will
need charging every night.) How does that compare with the spec? Long
battery life (~ 1 week) is the first thing I look for in a new phone.
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Peter

The Drone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Richard D
> <[email protected]> writes
> >Darren G wrote:
> >> Marky K wrote:
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>> Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:
>
> >>>> 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
> >>>> I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
> >>>> it is, it's going back.
>
> snipped some stuff
>
> >>> If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
> >>> charge to ensure max battery life.
> >>hence I wrote *full* charge, not "charged it up when I got it". And
> >>anyway, LiPol batteries shouldn't exhibit the lazy behaviour of the
> >>older metal hydrides.
>
> >>Could to see that things haven't changed in here.
>
> >Well it was a fair point; it takes a number of cycle charges before the
> >phone will exhibit good battery life.
>
> So I read but I was under the impression that:
>
> 1) The first charge should be for 16 hours straight and
> 2) As above ... many charges, etc.
>
> My assumption has always been that, even after only the original long
> charge, a battery ought to work at above 80% of its ultimate maximum
> capacity. That's been my experience - have I been lucky?
>
> 80% is a guess on my part but if it's nearly right, then the best the OP
> could hope for is <48 hours with only "very light use". (I.e. it will
> need charging every night.) How does that compare with the spec? Long
> battery life (~ 1 week) is the first thing I look for in a new phone.
> --
> Peter

My understanding is similar. And with a quoted standby time of 250 hrs
I would expect more than 36 hrs after a 20+ hr charge (light use was
recieve the O2 new user texts and a 10 secs call to another phone to
confirm new number).

Battery life is one of my main critera too, and the 6280 seemed (as per
spec!) at the higher end of the 3G phones. I'll persevere with the
charge cycles and see if it improves...

My bigger issue is with the voice dialling. I can't beleive nokia
would implement voice dialling that then requires hands to select a
number. Makes it near useless while driving.

Thanks for the helpful feedback guys.

In article <[email protected]>,
Darren G <[email protected]> writes

>My understanding is similar. And with a quoted standby time of 250 hrs
>I would expect more than 36 hrs after a 20+ hr charge (light use was
>recieve the O2 new user texts and a 10 secs call to another phone to
>confirm new number).
I would expect more too. In the circumstances you describe, I would
think I had a fault or had set something up wrongly. I can only think of
two things:

1) My old T39m originally had rubbish battery life that was ultimately
fixed by a software update.

2) Check the status of Bluetooth. If it's active in some way, that could
clobber battery life.

>Battery life is one of my main critera too, and the 6280 seemed (as per
>spec!) at the higher end of the 3G phones. I'll persevere with the
>charge cycles and see if it improves...
I wouldn't hold my breath.

>My bigger issue is with the voice dialling. I can't beleive nokia
>would implement voice dialling that then requires hands to select a
>number. Makes it near useless while driving.

Sorry, cant help with Nokia. I have other problems about that with my SE
phones.
--
Peter

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:13:37 +0100, The Drone <[email protected]>
wrote:

> My old T39m originally had rubbish battery life that was ultimately
>fixed by a software update.

Do you remember which versions before and after?

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:24:17 +0100, The Drone <[email protected]>
wrote:

>1) The first charge should be for 16 hours straight and

No, that's for batteries with several cells connected in series, and
the long trickle charge is needed to fill all the cells and
(hopefully) balance them all out.

A Li Poly phone "battery" is probably just a single cell, so there is
no need (or indeed any point) in giving it an extended charge first
time round.

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On 16 Jun 2006 07:01:15 -0700, "Darren G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> If you knew much about phones, you would know it takes more than one flimsy
>> charge to ensure max battery life.
>
>hence I wrote *full* charge, not "charged it up when I got it".
>
>And anyway, LiPol batteries shouldn't exhibit the lazy behaviour of the
>older metal hydrides.

If you know much about batteries, you'd know that you don't get
anything like the full capacity from a new Li-Ion or Li-Poly. OTOH,
NiMH batteries give the full capacity right from the first charge.

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I have the N80 and I understand there to be some similarities in features
between that and the 6280. Mine implements the same voice tag system but I
don't think its specifically for the whole talk-into-the-phone-to-dial
thing, but more that when it rings, it has a feature whereby it can also
pronounce the callers name at the same time?

Maybe this is what your 6280 has generated, as my N80 has generated voice
tags for all my callers and then it says them over the ringtone when it
rings.

In fact it was quite a novelty at first, its a bit irritating now

Hope this helps,

Matt



<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi guys, another new phone so I'm back! Hopefully I can get some help
> with the below, or if not at least highlight some potential pitfalls to
> other prospective owners.
>
> Just got myself a shiny new 6280 and got a couple of questions:
>
> 1. what sort of battery life is the norm. After the first full charge
> I've just got 36 hrs with very light use. Surely this isn't right? If
> it is, it's going back.
>
> 2. It's got the feature where it auto-generates voice tags for
> contacts. Very clever in theory but not very practical. You don't
> always (ever?) want to voice dial using how it pronounces the contact's
> full name, and if you have more than one number per contact you then
> have to use the phone to choose one. Stupid! Is there any way to
> record you own voice tag, and any way to choose which of a contact's
> numbers to dial by voice command (like the excellent SE approach)?
>
> many thanks
>

"The Drone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1) My old T39m originally had rubbish battery life that was ultimately
> fixed by a software update.
>

The worst decision I ever made - selling my limited edition ice blue T39
(even after 3 firmware upgrades and 2 replacements within a year due various
manufacturer faults!!)

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:13:37 +0100, The Drone <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> My old T39m originally had rubbish battery life that was ultimately
>>fixed by a software update.
>
> Do you remember which versions before and after?
>

I *think* that you needed R6 or above firmware, 01w30+ hardware manufacture
*and* the separate 'patch' from SE.

Can you tell I used to work in a repair centre??!!

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:56:34 +0100, >-©LuVbuG©-<
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I *think* that you needed R6 or above firmware, 01w30+ hardware manufacture
>*and* the separate 'patch' from SE.
>
>Can you tell I used to work in a repair centre??!!

One of my T39s is on R2K and the other is on R3B006.
I wonder whether an upgrade is worthwhile.


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