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  1. #16
    Clueless2
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> Is there a way to change the IMEI number on a nokia 6230i?

    >
    > Not legally, no.


    Not legally in the UK and possibly in the EU, but changing the IMEI is not
    illegal in many other countries.





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  2. #17
    Clueless2
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Yes, they can be changed, but you'll need access to a new UEM chip, the
    > facilities for programming the chip, and some serious skills with a solder
    > rework station. On top of that, you'll need a cork for when Mr Plod
    > knocks on the door and hands you a five year stretch in a narrow cell with
    > a cheerful chap who goes by the name of Bubba. On top of that, you'd be
    > facing a potentially unlimited fine.


    I suspect that this phone has been on the market long enough and there are
    already "hacked" versions of the firmware out there that will handle a
    software change of the IMEI.





  3. #18
    Richard Colton
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i


    "Clueless2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Yes, they can be changed, but you'll need access to a new UEM chip, the
    >> facilities for programming the chip, and some serious skills with a
    >> solder rework station. On top of that, you'll need a cork for when Mr
    >> Plod knocks on the door and hands you a five year stretch in a narrow
    >> cell with a cheerful chap who goes by the name of Bubba. On top of that,
    >> you'd be facing a potentially unlimited fine.

    >
    > I suspect that this phone has been on the market long enough and there are
    > already "hacked" versions of the firmware out there that will handle a
    > software change of the IMEI.


    You suspect wrong in this case.

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  4. #19
    Tranny
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    Clueless2 wrote:
    > "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>> Is there a way to change the IMEI number on a nokia 6230i?

    >> Not legally, no.

    >
    > Not legally in the UK and possibly in the EU, but changing the IMEI is not
    > illegal in many other countries.


    Where does it say in law that it's illegal? The phone is not stolen.
    Tran



  5. #20
    Robert Jones
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    In article <[email protected]>, Tranny <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Clueless2 wrote:
    > > "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > >>> Is there a way to change the IMEI number on a nokia 6230i?
    > >> Not legally, no.

    > >
    > > Not legally in the UK and possibly in the EU, but changing the IMEI is not
    > > illegal in many other countries.

    >
    > Where does it say in law that it's illegal? The phone is not stolen.
    > Tran


    Try looking at -

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20020031.htm

    This is the Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act 2002. It's unusually
    clear, for English law! Basically, the IMEI may be re-programmed, but
    only by the manufacturer or someone with the written permission of the
    manufacturer. It's not good enough to be the owner.

    Bob Jones

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  6. #21
    Jon
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > > If it was the subject of an insurance claim then it now belongs to the
    > > insurance company.


    > But the insurance compnay havnt claimed it back have they?


    It's unlikely they know it's been recovered. Only by the original owner
    calling them and informing them would they know.

    > It was handed in
    > (im assuming to the police) and no one has come forward to claim it. If this
    > is the case the phone is now, i beleive, legally the OP not the insurance
    > co.


    You believe incorrectly. In the event of a successful claim title to the
    insured property reverts to the insurer. The fact that the insurance
    company don't know it's been recovered is irrelevant.

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    Jon



  7. #22
    Jon
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > I suspect that this phone has been on the market long enough and there are
    > already "hacked" versions of the firmware out there that will handle a
    > software change of the IMEI.


    Your posting handle is apt, in this case.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  8. #23
    David R
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    "Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> It was handed in
    >> (im assuming to the police) and no one has come forward to claim it. If
    >> this
    >> is the case the phone is now, i beleive, legally the OP not the insurance
    >> co.

    >
    > You believe incorrectly. In the event of a successful claim title to the
    > insured property reverts to the insurer. The fact that the insurance
    > company don't know it's been recovered is irrelevant.


    It would also be a large loophole if you could steal something, hand it in,
    and then gain ownership of it legally, and have the phone unblocked! Sounds
    best that it ends up with the insurer, or at least some recycling firm.





  9. #24
    Clueless2
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    "Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    >> I suspect that this phone has been on the market long enough and there
    >> are
    >> already "hacked" versions of the firmware out there that will handle a
    >> software change of the IMEI.


    Really? There are already hacked versions of firmware for the SE (google for
    SE Fighter dongle or SE Cruiser dongle) which will allow the IMEI to be
    changed in Firmware - basically some hackers had already patched the
    firmware to lookup the IMEI from the firmware rather than from the security
    chip.

    It is logical to assume that the SE firmware is hackable, than the firmware
    for other handset manufacturers are venerable too, no?





  10. #25
    Jon
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > It is logical to assume that the SE firmware is hackable, than the firmware
    > for other handset manufacturers are venerable too, no?


    On Nokia's I think it's called the UEM chip. It's a write-once chip,
    therefore it physically can't be altered once it's been programmed the
    first time. You would have to replace the UEM, re-programming it first.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  11. #26
    Richard Colton
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i


    "Clueless2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    >>> I suspect that this phone has been on the market long enough and there
    >>> are
    >>> already "hacked" versions of the firmware out there that will handle a
    >>> software change of the IMEI.

    >
    > Really?


    Yes, really.

    > There are already hacked versions of firmware for the SE (google for SE
    > Fighter dongle or SE Cruiser dongle) which will allow the IMEI to be
    > changed in Firmware - basically some hackers had already patched the
    > firmware to lookup the IMEI from the firmware rather than from the
    > security chip.


    Yes, it apparantly bypasses the OTP check. It may work on many current SE
    models, but once the new platform comes online things should hopefully be a
    little more diffcult.

    > It is logical to assume that the SE firmware is hackable, than the
    > firmware for other handset manufacturers are venerable too, no?


    Nope. Some use similar methods, but it appears that Nokia have finally
    learnt a few lessons in this area. Some older ASIC2 handsets can be altered
    fairly simply, providing that the person doing it has access to equipment
    capable of doing more than simply flashing the firmware. Any newer handsets
    need the UEM chip replacing and reprogramming - not a trivial task even for
    the technically competant.

    The sooner that IMEIs are made more secure, the better. At the moment there
    are far too many phones on the market with easily accessed security areas.
    Samsung, SonyEricsson, some LG and many Siemens handsets need some serious
    security updates, but until the main platform used changes, these are likely
    to remain insecure.

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  12. #27
    Clueless2
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Nope. Some use similar methods, but it appears that Nokia have finally
    > learnt a few lessons in this area. Some older ASIC2 handsets can be
    > altered fairly simply, providing that the person doing it has access to
    > equipment capable of doing more than simply flashing the firmware. Any
    > newer handsets need the UEM chip replacing and reprogramming - not a
    > trivial task even for the technically competant.


    I hope Nokia remember to tell this to the hackers in China and Russia.

    > The sooner that IMEIs are made more secure, the better. At the moment
    > there are far too many phones on the market with easily accessed security
    > areas. Samsung, SonyEricsson, some LG and many Siemens handsets need some
    > serious security updates, but until the main platform used changes, these
    > are likely to remain insecure.


    It will make little difference as stolen phone will still be shipped to
    Russia/China/Asia where the blacklists are not shared. Even when the
    Governments get to forcing their operators to share blacklist, corruptions
    will soon see IMEI deleted from the blacklists in some countries!





  13. #28

    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    On 7 Sep 2006 10:44:36 +0200, Tranny <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Where does it say in law that it's illegal?


    In the text of the specific law that bans it. The penalties are quite
    severe: higher than those for many offences that most people would
    consider more serious.


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  14. #29

    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i

    On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 00:52:57 +0100, "Clueless2" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I suspect that this phone has been on the market long enough and there are
    >already "hacked" versions of the firmware out there that will handle a
    >software change of the IMEI.


    Yes, clueless2, you chose your name well.

    You suspect completely wrong.

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  15. #30
    Richard Colton
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    Re: chnage IMEI on Nokia 6230i


    "Clueless2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Nope. Some use similar methods, but it appears that Nokia have finally
    >> learnt a few lessons in this area. Some older ASIC2 handsets can be
    >> altered fairly simply, providing that the person doing it has access to
    >> equipment capable of doing more than simply flashing the firmware. Any
    >> newer handsets need the UEM chip replacing and reprogramming - not a
    >> trivial task even for the technically competant.

    >
    > I hope Nokia remember to tell this to the hackers in China and Russia.


    Tell them what? The "hackers" already know this, and a great deal more
    besides.

    >> The sooner that IMEIs are made more secure, the better. At the moment
    >> there are far too many phones on the market with easily accessed security
    >> areas. Samsung, SonyEricsson, some LG and many Siemens handsets need some
    >> serious security updates, but until the main platform used changes, these
    >> are likely to remain insecure.

    >
    > It will make little difference as stolen phone will still be shipped to
    > Russia/China/Asia where the blacklists are not shared. Even when the
    > Governments get to forcing their operators to share blacklist, corruptions
    > will soon see IMEI deleted from the blacklists in some countries!


    True, but it would be a step in the right direction.

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