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  1. #1
    mits
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    I've recently had issues with 02 - my wife thought she had lost her
    phone (phone is under my account), in the house, but thought it prudent
    to stop the line just in case. As it iturned out the phone was found
    the next day and we called 02 and they sent a new sim card out to
    replace the previous cancelled one, however it did not work. To cut a
    long story short since then I've had three sims cards sent out and also
    went to an o2 store to get a sim as inctructed by the customer serves
    department and yet after nearly 4 weeks my wife is still without use of
    here phone.
    I spoke to the retentions department and they tell me in order to get
    out of my contract I would have to pay for the remeining term of my
    contract. I've confirmed there is no problem on my wifes phone as I
    can use another sim card in there to make / recieve calls. The issue
    appears with the sim cards they are sending me.

    Basically she's been without the use of her mobile for 4 weeks and she
    relies on this heavily. I wanted to see if I could terinate the
    contract (even though I'm in the minimum period) and I looked at terms
    and conditions
    (http://www.o2.co.uk/termsconditions/yourairtimecontract) - in section
    8.3 / 8.4 it states

    8.3 If this Agreement is ended during the Minimum Period, you must pay
    the monthly subscription charges up to the end of the Minimum Period.
    This does not apply if you end the Agreement for the reasons in
    paragraph 8.4.
    8.4 You may end this Agreement by giving us written notice if:
    we break this Agreement in any way and we do not correct the situation
    within 7 days of your request;
    we go into liquidation or a Receiver is appointed over our assets; or
    we increase Charges for your Inclusive Calls or your monthly line
    rental charge or change this Agreement to your significant
    disadvantage, provided you give us a minimum of 30 days written notice
    (and provided you notify us within one month of our telling you about
    the changes). This does not apply where the increase or change relates
    solely to Additional Services in which case you may cancel, or stop
    using, that Additional Service.
    In the situations described in 8.4 above paragraph 8.3 will not apply.

    However the retentions department told me becasue section 2.4 states
    the below - they are not in breach.

    2.4 We will do our best to provide Service to you and any additional
    service requested by you (such as roaming) or if you instruct us to
    change your Service (e.g. to bar calls) by any date we have agreed with
    you but our ability to do so may be affected by circumstances beyond
    our control.

    I did ask for a bar to be placed and this was acted on in a timely
    fashion. Conseqeuntly I then asked for a new sim so services could be
    reinstated and after nearly 4 weeks this is still not the case.

    Do I have an valid case to end the agreement without penalty?




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  2. #2
    malc
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?


    "mits" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I've recently had issues with 02 -
    >
    > I spoke to the retentions department and they tell me in order to get
    > out of my contract I would have to pay for the remeining term of my
    > contract.


    What on earth are you asking here for when you have been given a full
    explanation by the company you have the contract with? If someone does
    answer you here what are you going to do? saying "someone on the Internet
    told me" will have them falling about laughing.
    Speak to the company, if you do not understand what they are telling you
    then get someone who does.





  3. #3
    Dan
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?


    "malc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > What on earth are you asking here for when you have been given a full
    > explanation by the company you have the contract with? If someone does
    > answer you here what are you going to do? saying "someone on the Internet
    > told me" will have them falling about laughing.
    > Speak to the company, if you do not understand what they are telling you
    > then get someone who does.
    >


    Yes. Very helpful. Was it worth it really worth the effort replying with a
    snotty answer like that? Companies will and do lie to customers to get
    money. And there are some very knowledgeable usenet users who could advise
    on where he stands from a legal point of view.

    >I spoke to the retentions department and they tell me in order to get
    > out of my contract I would have to pay for the remeining term of my
    > contract.


    I'm not expert but I would guess you would have a very good case to get out
    of the contract early if they haven't been able to supply you with a service
    that has not worked for a month. Or, at the very least refund the months it
    has not worked.

    Dan






  4. #4
    David Hearn
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    Dan wrote:
    > "malc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> What on earth are you asking here for when you have been given a full
    >> explanation by the company you have the contract with? If someone does
    >> answer you here what are you going to do? saying "someone on the Internet
    >> told me" will have them falling about laughing.
    >> Speak to the company, if you do not understand what they are telling you
    >> then get someone who does.
    >>

    >
    > Yes. Very helpful. Was it worth it really worth the effort replying with a
    > snotty answer like that? Companies will and do lie to customers to get
    > money. And there are some very knowledgeable usenet users who could advise
    > on where he stands from a legal point of view.
    >
    >> I spoke to the retentions department and they tell me in order to get
    >> out of my contract I would have to pay for the remeining term of my
    >> contract.

    >
    > I'm not expert but I would guess you would have a very good case to get out
    > of the contract early if they haven't been able to supply you with a service
    > that has not worked for a month. Or, at the very least refund the months it
    > has not worked.
    >
    > Dan


    If the SIM they have supplied works in another phone, then they've met
    their end of the contract. Until you've tried that you're unable to be
    certain that the SIM works or not, and it isn't something strange with
    your handset (I know you've tried another SIM though).

    D



  5. #5
    Eddy
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    mits wrote:
    > I've recently had issues with 02 - my wife thought she had lost her
    > phone (phone is under my account), in the house, but thought it prudent
    > to stop the line just in case. As it iturned out the phone was found
    > the next day and we called 02 and they sent a new sim card out to
    > replace the previous cancelled one, however it did not work. To cut a
    > long story short since then I've had three sims cards sent out and also
    > went to an o2 store to get a sim as inctructed by the customer serves
    > department and yet after nearly 4 weeks my wife is still without use of
    > here phone.
    > I spoke to the retentions department and they tell me in order to get
    > out of my contract I would have to pay for the remeining term of my
    > contract. I've confirmed there is no problem on my wifes phone as I
    > can use another sim card in there to make / recieve calls. The issue
    > appears with the sim cards they are sending me.
    >


    >


    Have you tried asking them to send a sim out with a different number,
    there might be something strange happening their side with the account
    itself.

    Eddy



  6. #6
    mits
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    > If the SIM they have supplied works in another phone, then they've met
    > their end of the contract. Until you've tried that you're unable to be
    > certain that the SIM works or not, and it isn't something strange with
    > your handset (I know you've tried another SIM though).


    I'll try this first. thanks for your advice.

    David Hearn wrote:

    > Dan wrote:
    > > "malc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > >> What on earth are you asking here for when you have been given a full
    > >> explanation by the company you have the contract with? If someone does
    > >> answer you here what are you going to do? saying "someone on the Internet
    > >> told me" will have them falling about laughing.
    > >> Speak to the company, if you do not understand what they are telling you
    > >> then get someone who does.
    > >>

    > >
    > > Yes. Very helpful. Was it worth it really worth the effort replying with a
    > > snotty answer like that? Companies will and do lie to customers to get
    > > money. And there are some very knowledgeable usenet users who could advise
    > > on where he stands from a legal point of view.
    > >
    > >> I spoke to the retentions department and they tell me in order to get
    > >> out of my contract I would have to pay for the remeining term of my
    > >> contract.

    > >
    > > I'm not expert but I would guess you would have a very good case to get out
    > > of the contract early if they haven't been able to supply you with a service
    > > that has not worked for a month. Or, at the very least refund the months it
    > > has not worked.
    > >
    > > Dan

    >
    > If the SIM they have supplied works in another phone, then they've met
    > their end of the contract. Until you've tried that you're unable to be
    > certain that the SIM works or not, and it isn't something strange with
    > your handset (I know you've tried another SIM though).
    >
    > D





  7. #7
    mits
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?


    > I'm not expert but I would guess you would have a very good case to get out
    > of the contract early if they haven't been able to supply you with a service
    > that has not worked for a month. Or, at the very least refund the months it
    > has not worked.
    >
    > Dan


    Thanks Dan - I've so far managed to get a month line rental paid for
    and about 25 pounds for the inconvenience. The issue here is being
    without a mobile phone in such times where we rely on them so much. 4
    weeks is a long time!

    I'm going to try the sim they have sent me in another phone and if this
    does not work then I think I have proved they have not kept up their
    end of the contract. If thats the case then a friend of mine who is a
    solicitor will write to them to terminate my contract.

    Thnaks again - I'll keep you posted!




  8. #8
    Rajesh P
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?


    mits wrote:
    > > I'm not expert but I would guess you would have a very good case to get out
    > > of the contract early if they haven't been able to supply you with a service
    > > that has not worked for a month. Or, at the very least refund the months it
    > > has not worked.
    > >
    > > Dan

    >


    yeah might be the case that they have blocked your mobile set... as you
    had lost it (for few days)




  9. #9
    mits
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?


    > yeah might be the case that they have blocked your mobile set... as you
    > had lost it (for few days)


    IMEI (handset) bar was lifted and I can confrim this as I can query the
    phone book and access old messages store on the phone. (Their tehnical
    help desk advised me of this as a good way to test).




  10. #10
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    On 19 Sep 2006 01:55:10 -0700, "mits" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >> yeah might be the case that they have blocked your mobile set... as you
    >> had lost it (for few days)

    >
    >IMEI (handset) bar was lifted and I can confrim this as I can query the
    >phone book and access old messages store on the phone. (Their tehnical
    >help desk advised me of this as a good way to test).


    Did you try to make a call from the handset with a known working SIM
    card inserted?

    From my experience, once a handset has been blacklisted it can never
    been unblacklisted.

    Sam.



  11. #11
    Colin Forrester
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    mits wrote:
    >> yeah might be the case that they have blocked your mobile set... as you
    >> had lost it (for few days)

    >
    > IMEI (handset) bar was lifted and I can confrim this as I can query the
    > phone book and access old messages store on the phone. (Their tehnical
    > help desk advised me of this as a good way to test).


    That test doesn't confirm an entry on or off the IMEI blacklist.

    You need to have the handset make a call with a SIM - perhaps try
    another SIM.



  12. #12
    Colin Forrester
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    Sam wrote:

    > From my experience, once a handset has been blacklisted it can never
    > been unblacklisted.


    Whereas I have had two reversals (on Orange) following a theft and
    recovery of the handsets.



  13. #13
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:46:10 +0100, Colin Forrester
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Sam wrote:
    >
    >> From my experience, once a handset has been blacklisted it can never
    >> be unblacklisted.

    >
    >Whereas I have had two reversals (on Orange) following a theft and
    >recovery of the handsets.


    A few year back I managed a reversal with Orange.

    Since the networks started sharing blacklist data I've never
    personally seen a reversal done.

    Sam.



  14. #14
    mits
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    > That test doesn't confirm an entry on or off the IMEI blacklist.
    >
    > You need to have the handset make a call with a SIM - perhaps try
    > another SIM.



    I did this I have 3 phones with o2, so I tried my (working sim) in my
    wifes phone and I could make / recieve calls normally. I'm almost
    certain that there is no bar on the phone.

    On her phone the message always indicates 'inactive sim' but the
    network signal is pretty much full strength.




  15. #15
    Chris Johns
    Guest

    Re: Can I end my o2 contract early?

    On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, mits wrote:

    > On her phone the message always indicates 'inactive sim' but the
    > network signal is pretty much full strength.


    I had this when I went from 2G to 3G. I called up to get a new SIM, they
    said I could go to a shop and pick one up if I wanted (saves posting it
    out) so I did this and got the shop to activate it. They said "give it a
    few hours to go through the system", but even the next day it didn't work.
    I went back and they had anoter go, and it still didn't work.

    I called up and said I needed the SIM activated, she took the SIM details
    and I was up and running. Third time lucky
    --
    Chris Johns



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