How much am I costing Orange?

I've had an Everyday 50 contract with Orange for ages. ED50 suits me
well enough, most of the calls I make are to landlines. To make maximum
use of my 50 minutes each day I use Qxdial or Pre-dial to clock up
points which I then use either for cross-network calls, peak-time
calls, or for text messaging via vgsmail.

Basically I usually use up all my 50 mins each day, and mostly that
will be dialling to the above-mentioned 0870 numbers, meaning that
Orange has to shell out to whoever terminates the call.

My bill is never much more than £15 a month (just the 50p a day, plus
10p per min for a few peak time calls via 0800 numbers, I send a quite
lot of text messages, but they're all free via qxdial/vgsmail). I
always take up my free upgrade every 12 months, and if I don't need it
I flog it on Ebay.

I pay Orange roughly £200 p.a. for which I get a free phone which must
cost them at least half that much (?) plus hundreds of hours on 0870
numbers. So how much am I costing them, and why don't they give me the
push??

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[email protected] wrote:

> I pay Orange roughly £200 p.a. for which I get a free phone which must
> cost them at least half that much (?) plus hundreds of hours on 0870
> numbers. So how much am I costing them, and why don't they give me the
> push??

You are probably one of a relatively small number of their customers.
However I am sure they will simplify ring-fenced tariffs in time.

[email protected] wrote:
>
> I pay Orange roughly £200 p.a. for which I get a free phone which must
> cost them at least half that much (?) plus hundreds of hours on 0870
> numbers. So how much am I costing them, and why don't they give me the
> push??

The answer to "How much are you costing Orange" is probably not a lot,
or they'd have given you the push already.

If they didn't want you to have a free upgrade, they're under no
obligation to provide you with one. And although you think you're raking
it in with the 0870 number thing, what you're really doing is raking in
a few coppers that Orange obviously haven't missed at all.

You could probably find a minimum wage job cleaning toilets for an hour
a month and make the same money.

I suspect this isn't to do with what you're getting out of Orange, but
more that it's become a big part of your life. A hobby if you like. How
much time do you spend charging your phone, calling here, calling there
and the rest of it? Is the effort you put into this really worth what
you're getting out of it?

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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I've had an Everyday 50 contract with Orange for ages. ED50 suits me
well enough, most of the calls I make are to landlines. To make maximum
use of my 50 minutes each day I use Qxdial or Pre-dial to clock up
points which I then use either for cross-network calls, peak-time
calls, or for text messaging via vgsmail.
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People that used to use Everyday 50 with Orange for what you do, tended to
do Orange out of pocket. However, things have changed a lot since the cost
of making calls has come down in price.

08 numbers don't actually cost a lot to the network operator. Landline
calls cost operators next to nothing these days and they'll bundle in bucket
loads with every contract.

They ensure they don't lose out much be ensuring that the options they give
you for upgrading your phone are average phones for the most part.

It mainly depends on whether you get called much such that Orange gets the
benefits of charging the network calling you.

In general, these days most networks should be happy to give you Everyday 50
for £15 / month.

Its not really a desirable contract anymore.

AMO

Thanks to all for the replies, all rather disappointing, I was
imagining Orange gnashing their teeth and planning ways to get rid of
me. Friends have pointed my sad and slightly
nerdy obsession with diddling Orange!

AMO wrote:
> In general, these days most networks should be happy to give you Everyday50
> for £15 / month.
>
> Its not really a desirable contract anymore.

To be honest my eye isn't on the ball for new tariffs. Anyone want to
suggest a tariff that would serve me better (and cost me no more than I
pay now). I'm currently getting pretty much limitless landline calls
(well say 1200 mins a month), a bit of cross-network thrown in (say 200
mins) and free text messages (say 200 a month) for around £15 - £20.

Many thanks!

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I've had an Everyday 50 contract with Orange for ages. ED50 suits me
>well enough, most of the calls I make are to landlines. To make maximum
>use of my 50 minutes each day I use Qxdial or Pre-dial to clock up
>points which I then use either for cross-network calls, peak-time
>calls, or for text messaging via vgsmail.
>
>Basically I usually use up all my 50 mins each day, and mostly that
>will be dialling to the above-mentioned 0870 numbers, meaning that
>Orange has to shell out to whoever terminates the call.
>
>My bill is never much more than £15 a month (just the 50p a day,
>
<snip>
>
Or if you accept an 18 month upgrade on ED50 instead of just a 12.
Orange upgrades will knock 10% off your 15quid bill

Steve Terry

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:01:54 GMT, Steve Terry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I've had an Everyday 50 contract with Orange for ages. ED50 suits me
>>well enough, most of the calls I make are to landlines. To make maximum
>>use of my 50 minutes each day I use Qxdial or Pre-dial to clock up
>>points which I then use either for cross-network calls, peak-time
>>calls, or for text messaging via vgsmail.
>>
>>Basically I usually use up all my 50 mins each day, and mostly that
>>will be dialling to the above-mentioned 0870 numbers, meaning that
>>Orange has to shell out to whoever terminates the call.
>>
>>My bill is never much more than £15 a month (just the 50p a day,
>>
><snip>
>>
>Or if you accept an 18 month upgrade on ED50 instead of just a 12.
>Orange upgrades will knock 10% off your 15quid bill

Yup - exactly what I did.

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[email protected] wrote:
: I'm currently getting pretty much limitless landline calls
: (well say 1200 mins a month), a bit of cross-network thrown in (say
: 200 : mins) and free text messages (say 200 a month) for around £15 - £20.


Can you or somebody remind me how to do this with pre-dial/qx telecom
please. (yes I do have ED50)

Thanks

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Nadeem

Nadeem wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : I'm currently getting pretty much limitless landline calls
> : (well say 1200 mins a month), a bit of cross-network thrown in (say
> : 200 : mins) and free text messages (say 200 a month) for around £15 -£20.
>
>
> Can you or somebody remind me how to do this with pre-dial/qx telecom
> please. (yes I do have ED50)

Whenever I make landline calls in the evening (which I do a lot) I do
so through pre-dial's 0870 dial-through number rather than dialling
direct (see their website). This means that while I'm talking I clock
up points with pre-dial, which I can then use to make peak-time calls
or calls to other networks via pre-dial's 0800 dial-through number.

Any evening when I have unused minutes from my allocation I mop them up
by dialling qxdial's 0870 number. Their system has a timer with an
automatic cut off, so when you make the call you can set it up to stay
connected only for the number of minutes you need to use up. Once you
have clocked up 200 points you can convert them to free text messages
with vgsmail.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I've had an Everyday 50 contract with Orange for ages. ED50 suits me
well enough, most of the calls I make are to landlines. To make maximum
use of my 50 minutes each day I use Qxdial or Pre-dial to clock up
points which I then use either for cross-network calls, peak-time
calls, or for text messaging via vgsmail.

Basically I usually use up all my 50 mins each day, and mostly that
will be dialling to the above-mentioned 0870 numbers, meaning that
Orange has to shell out to whoever terminates the call.

My bill is never much more than £15 a month (just the 50p a day, plus
10p per min for a few peak time calls via 0800 numbers, I send a quite
lot of text messages, but they're all free via qxdial/vgsmail). I
always take up my free upgrade every 12 months, and if I don't need it
I flog it on Ebay.

I pay Orange roughly £200 p.a. for which I get a free phone which must
cost them at least half that much (?) plus hundreds of hours on 0870
numbers. So how much am I costing them, and why don't they give me the
push??


Fcuk me, my orange bill is circa 200 per *month* !!!!

Tim..

Tim.. wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I've had an Everyday 50 contract with Orange for ages. ED50 suits me
> well enough, most of the calls I make are to landlines. To make maximum
> use of my 50 minutes each day I use Qxdial or Pre-dial to clock up
> points which I then use either for cross-network calls, peak-time
> calls, or for text messaging via vgsmail.
> Basically I usually use up all my 50 mins each day, and mostly that
> will be dialling to the above-mentioned 0870 numbers, meaning that
> Orange has to shell out to whoever terminates the call.
> My bill is never much more than £15 a month (just the 50p a day, plus
> 10p per min for a few peak time calls via 0800 numbers, I send a quite
> lot of text messages, but they're all free via qxdial/vgsmail). I
> always take up my free upgrade every 12 months, and if I don't need it
> I flog it on Ebay.
> I pay Orange roughly £200 p.a. for which I get a free phone which must
> cost them at least half that much (?) plus hundreds of hours on 0870
> numbers. So how much am I costing them, and why don't they give me the
> push??
> Fcuk me, my orange bill is circa 200 per *month* !!!!

oh dear lol
I use my ED50 exactly as the OP, have 10% off, with my bill being about
£13.50-13.95/month and another 10% due for the chop in Dec :-)

Also if you use the qxdial callback during peaks times for short calls,
you won't have any call charges then, but if you need to, use an 0844
access number, it's the cheaper option, I believe its 10p/min, 0870 is
35p/min peak.

Dan

[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
> I use my ED50 exactly as the OP, have 10% off, with my bill being about
> =A313.50-13.95/month and another 10% due for the chop in Dec :-)

Your discount will go to 15% not 20%.
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Regards
Jon

Jon wrote:
> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
> > I use my ED50 exactly as the OP, have 10% off, with my bill being about
> > =A313.50-13.95/month and another 10% due for the chop in Dec :-)
> Your discount will go to 15% not 20%.

I got 10% off last time, as I didn't take a handset, just the discount
for a futher 12 month commitment.

I didn't want to wait for five years in order to reach 25% off.

Dan

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Thanks to all for the replies, all rather disappointing, I was
imagining Orange gnashing their teeth and planning ways to get rid of
me. Friends have pointed my sad and slightly
nerdy obsession with diddling Orange!

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No probs! ;0)

The majority of people wanting to get cheap deals now tend to go for 11/12
month cashback deals.

Those willing to spend a bit more or go for the highest quality phones can
either:
1) Get a really good deal in minutes.
2) Can negotiate directly with the network operator to match any online
etailer but not have the burden of sorting out cashback. The network
operator will not match an 100% cashback deal, but any contract where you
are forking out £25-£35 / per month and getting around 8 months cashback
they will match.

People can still get a better deal out of Orange Every Day 50 so long as
they continue to use the phone exactly in the way that plan is designed to
capitalise on its benefits. Even without QXDial, some people just ring
landlines for half an hour each day, to speak to their family at home, and
ED50 is pretty okay. But ask most of them and they will say that they wish
they had cheap mobile calls or some daytime minutes in there.

In recent months, the deals have changed drastically. In the past, it was
not really possible to for example get 500 minutes like you would on the 3
network. Nowadays, you can spend £30-35 / month and get 500 minutes anytime
anynetwork calls alongside either StopTheClock (18 month) on Vodafone or
free broadband on Orange. You could go online with O2 and get and get
similar deals and the advantage with O2 is that some 08 prefixes are
inclusive.

It really is up to you though. People worry too much about ED50 costing
Orange a lot of money but forget that:
a) They designed the tariff and for it to be competitive about 5 years ago
when calls were expensive.
b) They lose a heck of a lot more on cashback contacts where the consumer
pays virtually nothing.
c) If they really wanted to stop people using ED50 they can either disable
the ability for people to use QXDial - mainly inclusive 08 numbers or simply
not give out free phones at the customer's next upgrade which is what they
have done in the past but in the end changed that to limit customers to
low-mid range phones instead.

More importantly, in a world where more people have phones on differing
networks, have more differing work patterns, require other services such as
SMS or GPRS, there is diminishing benefits to being on ED50.

Whilst you probably don't make Orange a lot of money, you're certainly not
causing them any concern.

AMO

Dan wrote:
> Jon wrote:
> > [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
> > > I use my ED50 exactly as the OP, have 10% off, with my bill being about
> > > =A313.50-13.95/month and another 10% due for the chop in Dec :-)
> > Your discount will go to 15% not 20%.
>
> I got 10% off last time, as I didn't take a handset, just the discount
> for a futher 12 month commitment.
> I didn't want to wait for five years in order to reach 25% off.

correction to my post, should of said seven and half years I would wait
for 25% off in total, thats 5% per every 18months with a handset.

Dan