Whoops.. Don't forget to put the clocks back

Ivor Jones said:
>
>
> "Bert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Ivor Jones said:

> > > So instead of fiddling with countless
> > > clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or
> > > whatever they are. Get up earlier and go to bed
> > > earlier. Simple.
> >
> > Simple if you have super-human abilities to change school
> > and business hours but otherwise we will just have to
> > stick with the achievable, which is to alter the clocks.
>
> It is achievable. Who tells you to change clocks..? They could equally
> well tell you to change hours.


But government has no control over the hours a business operates and
suggesting that they can "simply" be told to open up an hour earlier or
later is simplistic in the extreme.

>
> > > > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there,
> > > > > but it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed.
> > > > > Get up earlier and go to bed earlier; start
> > > > > school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
> > > > > Problem solved.
> > > >
> > > > In the morning few of us can make good use of it so
> > > > it is wasted.
> > >
> > > If working hours were changed instead of clocks it
> > > wouldn't be wasted, would it..?
> >
> > Ah, so you *do* believe in super-human abilities.
>
> If it's superhuman to get up in the morning. Well perhaps it is for some
> people.

People who get up, in the dark, at 6 or 7 in the morning are hardly
lazy, but I am guessing you do actually know that and oddly believe that
that if you say something frequently enough people might start believing
it.


> > > > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks
> > > > > were invented..? They got up when the sun rose and
> > > > > went to bed when it set.
> > > >
> > > > I think you are confusing people having clocks with
> > > > them having access to artificial light.
> > >
> > > Not at all, read what I said again.
> >
> > You mean after I get off the floor laughing? Not sure if
> > my heart can take it!
>
> That's your problem, surely..?

If you consider that finding a comedian funny to be problem then I
suppose you are correct.

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[email protected] (SteveH) wrote:
> Pun Krocker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 28/10/2006 at 19:20:10 Michael Swift wrote :
> > > Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
> > > are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
> > > of the day you lose at the other.
> >
> > Up north, it helps as it would be dark until 9:00am if they did not
> > change. But don't let facts get in the way of childrens safety
>
> 'Won't someone *please* think of the childrun'

School hours could be shorter in the winter when there is less daylight. This
could me balanced by longer hours at school at other times.

--
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"Lordy.UK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> some organisations (inc RoSPA), want us to put the clocks back
>> one hour forward of GMT in winter and two hours forward of GMT
>> in summer. We'll then come into line with Europe.
>
> "Some organisations" need to **** right off then.
>

Absolutely, someone hit the nail on the head earlier when they refered to it
as CET. Another move by the Lefties to intergrate us into Europe, there is
nothing wrong with GMT & BST.

"Road_Hog®" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Absolutely, someone hit the nail on the head earlier when they refered to
> it as CET. Another move by the Lefties to intergrate us into Europe, there
> is nothing wrong with GMT & BST.

Give us back our 11 days!

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"Tony" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Road_Hog®" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Absolutely, someone hit the nail on the head earlier when they refered to
> > it as CET. Another move by the Lefties to intergrate us into Europe, there
> > is nothing wrong with GMT & BST.
>
> Give us back our 11 days!

Quite right - workers were paid by the DAY but rents were collected by the MONTH
or QUARTER - so the workers were diddled out 11 days of rent.

The bankers however insisted on keeping the 11 days, which is why the financial
year runs to April 5th rather than Lady Day.

--
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"Ivor Jones" wrote
> Your workplace wouldn't have a choice. It
> would be imposed by government in the same
> way you are told you must change your clocks.

What are you expecting? That the government
will say that all businesses' opening hours *must*
change between 9am - 5pm and 8am - 4pm?

What if they want to open for 10
hours per day instead of only 8?

What if they want to extend their
opening hours by one sometime?

What if they then want to
reduce their hours by one?

What if, hehe, they extend & then reduce
on consecutive days (just after the govt has
told them to switch hours in spring/autumn)?!

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:43:00 GMT, [email protected]lid
wrote:

>[email protected] (SteveH) wrote:
>> Pun Krocker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 28/10/2006 at 19:20:10 Michael Swift wrote :
>> > > Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
>> > > are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
>> > > of the day you lose at the other.
>> >
>> > Up north, it helps as it would be dark until 9:00am if they did not
>> > change. But don't let facts get in the way of childrens safety
>>
>> 'Won't someone *please* think of the childrun'
>
>School hours could be shorter in the winter when there is less daylight. This
>could me balanced by longer hours at school at other times.

Exactly! If this is all about children's safety then the schools would
have a vested interest in changing their hours.

There wouldn't be any need for clocks to be put backwards and forwards
and there'd be no need for businesses to change unless they saw an
advantage in it.

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John wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Phaeton <[email protected]>
> writes
>> They wanted devolution so let them have it, stop all Scottish MP's
>> voting on English bills (that'd stuff Uncle Gordon up next year) & let
>> them have their own timezone if they wanted.
>
> What has this comment to do with the subject of this thread. Keep your
> prejudices off public forums where they are not relevant.

It was in a reply to post about one of the reasons that we messed with
the time zones was to benefit Outer Hebrides farmer.

As to keeping my views not prejudices off public forums, as far as I was
aware we are supposed to have free speech in this country currently,
until George Bush tells us otherwise. So I will continue to post as I
feel fit Thank you.

Pun Krocker wrote:
> On 28/10/2006 at 19:01:37 Phaeton wrote :
>> They wanted devolution so let them have it, stop all Scottish MP's
>> voting on English bills (that'd stuff Uncle Gordon up next year) & let
>> them have their own timezone if they wanted.
>
> Stop talking ****e!
>
Please elaborate which bit & why in your view this is ****e?

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:02:02 GMT, a particular chimpanzee named
"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> randomly hit
the keyboard and produced:

>I want the extra hour an the evening not in the morning, which was what
>I said, I fully understand the amount of light in any 23hr 56 minutes
>will be the same whether our clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or CEST.

That could be why you need an extra hour in the evening. Your clock
is running 4 minutes faster than everyone elses.
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"Phaeton" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> It was in a reply to post about one of the reasons that we messed with
> the time zones was to benefit Outer Hebrides farmer.

Well it wasn't. The reason we *don't* mess with timezones may be because of them.

--
Andy

"Peter Saxton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >> > > Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
> >> > > are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
> >> > > of the day you lose at the other.
> >> >
> >> > Up north, it helps as it would be dark until 9:00am if they did not
> >> > change. But don't let facts get in the way of childrens safety
> >>
> >> 'Won't someone *please* think of the childrun'
> >
> >School hours could be shorter in the winter when there is less daylight. This
> >could me balanced by longer hours at school at other times.
>
> Exactly! If this is all about children's safety then the schools would
> have a vested interest in changing their hours.

Well it isn't.

> There wouldn't be any need for clocks to be put backwards and forwards
> and there'd be no need for businesses to change unless they saw an
> advantage in it.

The reason for putting the clocks forwards and backwards is because if we didn't, in
June the sun would rise at about 3.45am and set at about 8.20pm (London times).
Since most people are in bed at 4am and most aren't at 9pm, it was thought wise to
move that extra hour of daylight from the morning to the evening. The clue is in
"daylight saving time".

Obviously we could all just get up an hour earlier in the summer and go to bed an
hour earlier.

--
Andy

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:57:12 -0000, "Andy Pandy"
<[email protected]> wrote:


|
|The reason for putting the clocks forwards and backwards is because if we didn't, in
|June the sun would rise at about 3.45am and set at about 8.20pm (London times).
|Since most people are in bed at 4am and most aren't at 9pm, it was thought wise to
|move that extra hour of daylight from the morning to the evening. The clue is in
|"daylight saving time".
|
|Obviously we could all just get up an hour earlier in the summer and go to bed an
|hour earlier.

Which worked fine for 100 or 35 millennia, when sun time was all we had.
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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:57:12 -0000, "Andy Pandy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Peter Saxton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >> > > Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
>> >> > > are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
>> >> > > of the day you lose at the other.
>> >> >
>> >> > Up north, it helps as it would be dark until 9:00am if they did not
>> >> > change. But don't let facts get in the way of childrens safety
>> >>
>> >> 'Won't someone *please* think of the childrun'
>> >
>> >School hours could be shorter in the winter when there is less daylight. This
>> >could me balanced by longer hours at school at other times.
>>
>> Exactly! If this is all about children's safety then the schools would
>> have a vested interest in changing their hours.
>
>Well it isn't.
>
>> There wouldn't be any need for clocks to be put backwards and forwards
>> and there'd be no need for businesses to change unless they saw an
>> advantage in it.
>
>The reason for putting the clocks forwards and backwards is because if we didn't, in
>June the sun would rise at about 3.45am and set at about 8.20pm (London times).
>Since most people are in bed at 4am and most aren't at 9pm, it was thought wise to
>move that extra hour of daylight from the morning to the evening. The clue is in
>"daylight saving time".
>
>Obviously we could all just get up an hour earlier in the summer and go to bed an
>hour earlier.

I suppose the reason for moving the clocsk is because most people
don't do much before going to work in the morning but they do in the
evenings.

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Peter Saxton from London
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:58:51 +0100, [email protected] (SteveH)
wrote:

>Ivor Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > How is that 'easier' than just changing the clock time?
>> >
>> > Just because you have a job that makes it a PITA doesn't
>> > mean it would be easier / better for 99% of the
>> > population to change working hours.
>>
>> Why is it difficult..? Just set the alarm an hour earlier. It's no
>> different to working shifts.
>
>It's not that simple, is it?
>
>All shops would have to change the opening hours signs, websites would
>also have to be changed to reflect the 'winter' opening hours, bus /
>train timetables would have to be reprinted with summer and winter hours
>etc.
>
>Changing the time on clocks is much easier.

Swap the winter signs to summer ones.

Have websites showing both winter and summer times.

Change bus/train timetables twice a year. It would keep them more up
to date.

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Peter Saxton from London
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