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- 12-29-2006, 10:09 AM #1AtroposGuest
Not been here a while and have just entered into an Orange contract(Dolphin
25), so I apologise if this is nothing new to you guys.
What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
own Orange Weds film thing!
Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month. Didn't
mention VAT on top did they.
Arrgh.
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- 12-29-2006, 10:34 AM #2Craig RiderGuest
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"Atropos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
> delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
> own Orange Weds film thing!
>
According to http://orangewednesdays.orange.co.uk/ it's now 35p. That's
gone up a bit from the 10p it started out as!
- 12-29-2006, 10:51 AM #3GazGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
Atropos wrote:
> Not been here a while and have just entered into an Orange
> contract(Dolphin
> 25), so I apologise if this is nothing new to you guys.
>
> What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
> delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
> own Orange Weds film thing!
>
> Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month.
> Didn't
> mention VAT on top did they.
>
> Arrgh.
If the tarif is not a business tarif (or likely to be used specifically for
business use), i think an obligation exists to include vat in prices.
Gaz
- 12-29-2006, 11:45 AM #4Colin WilsonGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
> Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month. Didn't
> mention VAT on top did they.
Wonder if that might be illegal as it was a consumer contract - afaik
consumer contracts should only be advertised at the VAT inclusive price
now, or at very least the VAT inclusive price should be shown as
prominently as the VAT exclusive one.
- 12-29-2006, 01:29 PM #5Ivor JonesGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
"Colin Wilson"
<[email protected]> wrote in
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> > Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at
> > £25 a month. Didn't mention VAT on top did they.
>
> Wonder if that might be illegal as it was a consumer
> contract - afaik consumer contracts should only be
> advertised at the VAT inclusive price now, or at very
> least the VAT inclusive price should be shown as
> prominently as the VAT exclusive one.
This has come up on uk.telecom.voip a few times with regard to the single
line VoIP service provided by www.gradwell.com - they are primarily a
business supplier, but they do offer residential service (which I have,
and am very happy with) but this is still advertised on their site without
VAT added (although the recently added 12 month pay-up-front package I
have just seen there is shown with VAT included, strange..!)
It doesn't really bother me as I read the small print before I signed up,
but I can see how some people would miss it.
Ivor
- 12-29-2006, 01:48 PM #6Guest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
Colin Wilson wrote:
> > Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month. Didn't
> > mention VAT on top did they.
>
> Wonder if that might be illegal as it was a consumer contract - afaik
> consumer contracts should only be advertised at the VAT inclusive price
> now, or at very least the VAT inclusive price should be shown as
> prominently as the VAT exclusive one.
The requirement is to state that a price excludes VAT only -- not to
show the VAT inclusive price for consumers. So, for example, £25
+VAT, or a footnote indicating "all prices exclude VAT at the
prevailing rate".
- 12-29-2006, 03:48 PM #7Chris BoydGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
On 2006-12-29 16:09:25 +0000, "Atropos" <[email protected]> said:
> <snip>
> Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month.
> Didn't mention VAT on top did they.
Dolphin £25 is the price once VAT has been added. On the second
(ex-vat) page of your bill, you will see the tariff charged at £21.xx
which is the ex-vat price.
If it's your first bill and it's slightly bigger than expected, it's
because your first bill is pro-rata and therefore for a full month and
a bit. It's up to the retailer to fully explain that though.
Chris
- 12-30-2006, 03:31 AM #8Jeremy PorteousGuest
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"Craig Rider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Atropos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
>> delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
>> own Orange Weds film thing!
>
> According to http://orangewednesdays.orange.co.uk/ it's now 35p. That's
> gone up a bit from the 10p it started out as!
30p + VAT = 35p
JP
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- 12-30-2006, 05:36 AM #9JonGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
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> Not been here a while and have just entered into an Orange contract(Dolphin
> 25), so I apologise if this is nothing new to you guys.
>
> What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
> delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
> own Orange Weds film thing!
You're still getting a free ticket worth approx £5? You're still "up" on
the deal!
> Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month. Didn't
> mention VAT on top did they.
VAT is included in the £25, than is why.
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Jon
- 12-31-2006, 06:37 AM #10Colin WilsonGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
> Dig at OneStopPhoneShop - they advertised the tariff at £25 a month. Didn't
> mention VAT on top did they.
Further to my other reply, i'll quote a post made by Harry Stottle
across a few other groups earlier today
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Subject: VAT inclusive prices when selling to the public. ASA ruling.
There have been several discussions in various newsgroups recently about
if companies are obliged to quote VAT inclusive prices when advertising
goods or items for sale to the general public. The main objectors
against quoting VAT inclusive prices have been companies that sell to
other companies, but who also sell to the general public, and their
argument was that because they do not have to quote VAT inclusive prices
when selling to other companies, this somehow excuses them from quoting
VAT inclusive prices if they also sell to the general public.
The ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) has recently ruled that Dell
Computers misled customers when advertising items to the general public,
the ASA stated that when advertising good to the general public, VAT
inclusive prices must be quoted, and these VAT inclusive prices must be
at least as prominent as the VAT exclusive price if the VAT exclusive
price is used, in other words, the VAT inclusive price must be stated
alongside the VAT exclusive price, and the type face used must be at
least as large and as clear as the VAT exclusive price.
Below is a quote from the article in PCPro magazine, the links to the
article and the ASA ruling are given below the quote, so please, if you
are a business, and selling goods or items to the general public, as
well as to other companies, lets have VAT inclusive prices quoted in
your adverts, and stop trying to hide behind the mistaken belief that
you do not have to comply with the law on quoting VAT inclusive prices
in your adverts.
<Quote> 'We nevertheless considered that, because the insert targeted
both the general public and businesses, the VAT-inclusive prices should
have been given at least equal prominence to the VAT-exclusive prices.
We also considered that, because the desktops could be of interest to
non-business users who would be unable to get a desktop for £199, the
approach of using a "from" price excluding VAT was misleading. '
ASA told Dell to take greater care in future. Specifically, it should
'avoid errors that could lead to consumer disappointment'. The
organisation also told Dell to ensure that VAT-inclusive and
VAT-exclusive prices were quoted with equal prominence in adverts with a
general readership. </Quote>
http://www.pcpro.co.uk:80/news/99545...-says-asa.html
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudicati..._ADJ_42026.htm
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- 01-01-2007, 05:48 AM #11SteveGuest
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"Craig Rider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Atropos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
>> delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
>> own Orange Weds film thing!
>>
>
> According to http://orangewednesdays.orange.co.uk/ it's now 35p. That's
> gone up a bit from the 10p it started out as!
There is an alternative though..........
Dont send the text and pay full price for the cinema tickets?
Which would save you most money?
Steve
- 01-02-2007, 05:35 AM #12David HearnGuest
Re: Orange - Cheeky buggers!
Jon wrote:
> [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
>> Not been here a while and have just entered into an Orange contract(Dolphin
>> 25), so I apologise if this is nothing new to you guys.
>>
>> What I didn't realise when I got my bill, was that Orange charge 1p for
>> delivery reports and actually charge 30p to send a message to 241 - their
>> own Orange Weds film thing!
>
> You're still getting a free ticket worth approx £5? You're still "up" on
> the deal!
Not around here - it's £7.40 for an evening cinema ticket at our local
(to Surrey) cinemas! Even more reason to use the Orange Wednesdays offer.
D
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