The iPhone is there

Gavin wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:35:06 -0000, "Motorcyclesaur"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "the dog from that film you saw" <[email protected]> wrote
>> in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> crazy money
>> Really?
>>
>> Would you like to hear the price of my first mobile phone, an old OKI that I
>> bought in 1993? And the cost of the MicroTac that I bought after that (it
>> must have been in 1994)?
>>
>> The point is: the new iPod costs $600.
>
> No the point is when did you last buy a phone, there almost always
> subsidised, heck most people balk at spending £50 on a new mobile
>
> And the UK data charges mean it will never be used as an interent
> applicane to any grea degree or you'll get stuffed by the phone co.
>
>
> Jobs has said he does not want this subsidised by the phone co's as he
> does not want it to hit ipod sales.
>> It's cool, runs on a rock solid system (OS X meaning unix?), innovative,
>> light, technologically advanced. And by the way, it also makes phone calls,
>> it can be used to browse the web and check your email.
>>
>
> No it looks like OSX and runs some osx programs,
>
> Doesn't mean it is Osx, jsut something that;'s running specific apps

I remember installing Linux on some old iPaq 3660's. I also remember
installing Linux on some large servers. If Linux can go on both
extremes of devices, then why can't OSX which is based on
Unix/Linux/whatever be targeted at a mobile device? In fact, if people
can target Linux to a 3rd party's mobile device, how much better could
Apple do it when they have full control over the source of their OS and
full control and decisions over the hardware of the device.

D

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:00:07 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:

>> And no mention of
>> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone.
>
> The specs say "running OSX" so it should be possible to support it quite
> simply.

Whether it technically can support third party apps and whether Apple will
allow third party apps on their phone are 2 different things. Look at all
those Linux phones in asia. Most of them do not allow you to install third
party applications even though they're running Linux.

You'll notice that during his one hour and a half demo of the phone, Steve
has carefully avoided mentionning the issue of third party apps and widgets
support. Surely, if developpers could develop third party apps or widgets
for the phone, this would be a major feature that Steve would have
emphasized or at least mentioned. Allowing third party native applications
on a phone is far from being a simple thing as, if not done properly, it
can seriously threaten the overall usabilty, security and stability of the
phone. This is however something that i'd love to see in the iPhone. Let's
wait and see.

Mehdi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:

>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.

> US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
> imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free. And no mention of
> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone. The UI
> looks fantastic though and the idea of using a finger-driven large
> touchscreen instead of those cumbersome stylus or keypad is something that
> i wanted to see in my phone for a very long time. I wonder how the screen
> will look like after a few minutes of use though.

Or after a year's use. I hope the screen cover is replaceable. The
combination of touch screen and a small high resolution display isn't
one that will last long. But maybe it's not meant to last long? It's
clear that the mobile phone market in general is moving away from
robustness and longevity to disposable products replaced annually.

I hope it's easy to add on an IR or Bluetooth keyboard without
compromising battery life or reception while using wifi.

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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Motorcyclesaur <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Gavin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

>>>Would you like to hear the price of my first mobile phone, an old OKI that
>>>I
>>>bought in 1993? And the cost of the MicroTac that I bought after that (it
>>>must have been in 1994)?
>>>
>>>The point is: the new iPod costs $600.
>>
>> No the point is when did you last buy a phone, there almost always
>> subsidised, heck most people balk at spending #50 on a new mobile

> Hi Gavin,

> If you want to put it under the "last purchase" point of view, then you have
> to compare it to when you (or me, or anyone) bought a truly innovative
> product, where the price is of secondary importnace. After all, there have
> been many mp3 players at bargain prices for a while on the market, but a
> large amount of people decided to forgo that extra #50 in favour of an iPod.
> With the iPhone, Apple announced a cracking product, and I would expect
> people to react in the very same way.


>> And the UK data charges mean it will never be used as an interent
>> applicane to any grea degree or you'll get stuffed by the phone co.

> WiFi is free, if you have an access point at home and one at work; nearly
> free if you don't. For what concerns mobile telecoms, things will have to
> change "soon", and they will.

The mobile telcos aren't usually keen on devices with enough
communications flexibility to be able to easily find cheaper
connections than the ones your telco offers you. Not only do
increasing numbers of people have free wifi at work and home, but it's
becoming increasingly easy to find it in the streets.

--
Chris Malcolm [email protected] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> The mobile telcos aren't usually keen on devices with enough
> communications flexibility to be able to easily find cheaper
> connections than the ones your telco offers you. Not only do
> increasing numbers of people have free wifi at work and home, but it's
> becoming increasingly easy to find it in the streets.

Precisely, and that's why they'll need to shift gear. Their mickey mouse
applications were good at the times of GPRS, when real wireless broadband
wasn't so widespread. But with the latest progress in that area and the soon
to come user awareness, they better act quickly (though my opinion is that
they all have their guns ready and are just delaying the launch of new
technologies as much as possible, milking consumers as much as they can).

Mehdi wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:00:07 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>
>>> And no mention of
>>> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone.
>> The specs say "running OSX" so it should be possible to support it quite
>> simply.
>
> Whether it technically can support third party apps and whether Apple will
> allow third party apps on their phone are 2 different things. Look at all
> those Linux phones in asia. Most of them do not allow you to install third
> party applications even though they're running Linux.
>
> You'll notice that during his one hour and a half demo of the phone, Steve
> has carefully avoided mentionning the issue of third party apps and widgets
> support. Surely, if developpers could develop third party apps or widgets
> for the phone, this would be a major feature that Steve would have
> emphasized or at least mentioned. Allowing third party native applications
> on a phone is far from being a simple thing as, if not done properly, it
> can seriously threaten the overall usabilty, security and stability of the
> phone. This is however something that i'd love to see in the iPhone. Let's
> wait and see.

A (Mac) colleague contacted them to find out. Their reply was that, for
now, the phone is closed to 3rd party applications.

D

In message <[email protected]>, A M <[email protected]>
writes

>Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?

Whoosh!
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"A M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?

http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html

Motorcyclesaur wrote:
> "A M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>
> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000, David Hearn wrote:

> A M wrote:
>> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>>> "A M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>>
>>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
>> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
>
> Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?

Nope, just went to my local Orange shop and they were still taking orders.
Ring them and go to an Orange shop.

A M wrote:
> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>> "A M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>
>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning

Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?

D

On 2007-01-10, Motorcyclesaur <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Gavin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Jobs has said he does not want this subsidised by the phone co's as he
>> does not want it to hit ipod sales.
>
> I read (I think on The Register) that he plans to roll it out on Cingular on
> a 24 months contract, which it will be a win-win situation: for him and
> Cingular, of course :-)

Note that "contract" in the US doesn't have quite the same implications
as "contract" in the UK. In the US you can cancel a contract any
time for a fixed fee; I think Cingular's is $175. US carriers are hence
unlikely to subsidise a phone by more than about $175 in any case which,
at the price of this phone, still leaves you with an expensive phone.

>> No it looks like OSX and runs some osx programs,
>>
>> Doesn't mean it is Osx, jsut something that;'s running specific apps
>
> I don't know about it, but Nokia is already working on Linux platforms, OSX
> mobile might do the same. I am looking forward to seeing iton the market.

I wonder if it supports a bluetooth keyboard and mouse?

Dennis Ferguson

Mehdi wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000, David Hearn wrote:
>
>> A M wrote:
>>> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>>>> "A M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
>>> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
>> Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?
>
> Nope, just went to my local Orange shop and they were still taking orders.
> Ring them and go to an Orange shop.

I called in orange and the local shops but they are not taking any
orders. Can anyone pass me the phone no of the shop that are taking
orders for iphone please ?

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:47:36 +0000, A M wrote:

> Mehdi wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000, David Hearn wrote:
>>
>>> A M wrote:
>>>> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>>>>> "A M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>>>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
>>>> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
>>> Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?
>>
>> Nope, just went to my local Orange shop and they were still taking
>> orders. Ring them and go to an Orange shop.
>
> I called in orange and the local shops but they are not taking any orders.
> Can anyone pass me the phone no of the shop that are taking orders for
> iphone please ?

A M, you are being teased. The iPhone is not on sale in the USA yet - not
until June/July, depending on FCC approval. There has been no
announcement of which UK operator(s) will offer the iPhone, and it's
unlikely to be available here much before the end of 2007. OK?

[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
> I called in orange and the local shops but they are not taking any
> orders. Can anyone pass me the phone no of the shop that are taking
> orders for iphone please ?

You're talking about a product which in all probability won't even make
it to market this year! Slow down for Christ sake.
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Jon