I'm concerned that 02/genie may try and trace me (location). Are there any phones that allow you to stay private

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

> I watch The Bill. It seems the police can use location information to
> find out where you are (rightly so)
>
>
> But also, in a recent change to the 02 terms & conditions, they are
> allowed to pass on my information (regarding where I am in the UK) to
> debt collection agencies etc.
>
> I owe HSBC about 700 UKPounds.
>
> I have a bad credit score but I don't care as I now spend 70% of my
> time overseas
>
> However, I'm on a cracking deal. I get 50mins off peak everyday and
> *literally* unlimited SMS text messages
>
> I text alot (so it's a superb deal)
>
> I realise I can just take the battery out of the phone (to prevent
> being traced) but what if I want to text people?
>
>
> Suppose I use a really old handset. Will this make a difference? Or
> can they still trace me from my signal.
>
If your phone is turned on and connected to the service, they *know* more or
less where you are 'cos they know which masts are picking up your signal.
Using an old handset would make no difference.

Why not just pay HSBC their 700 quid - then you won't have to worry?! I
doubt whether anybody here will encourage you to be dishonest.
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In uk.legal on Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Roger Mills <[email protected]>
wrote :
>>
>> Suppose I use a really old handset. Will this make a difference? Or
>> can they still trace me from my signal.
>>
>If your phone is turned on and connected to the service, they *know* more or
>less where you are 'cos they know which masts are picking up your signal.
>Using an old handset would make no difference.

Surely one way around it would be to purchase a new PAYG phone with cash
- they'll be able to trace the phone, but they won't know who it belongs
to.
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On 27 Feb 2007 10:00:22 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>I just don't want the baliffs coming around & taking my flatmates
>stereo equipment etc.

Then pay the money that you've stolen back, or argue it in court. If
you're truly right, then you've got nothing to fear.
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Feb 27, 5:17 pm, "Roger Mills" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>>
>>
>>
>> [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > I watch The Bill. It seems the police can use location information to
>> > find out where you are (rightly so)
>>
>> > But also, in a recent change to the 02 terms & conditions, they are
>> > allowed to pass on my information (regarding where I am in the UK) to
>> > debt collection agencies etc.
>>
>> > I owe HSBC about 700 UKPounds.
>>
>> > I have a bad credit score but I don't care as I now spend 70% of my
>> > time overseas
>>
>> > However, I'm on a cracking deal. I get 50mins off peak everyday and
>> > *literally* unlimited SMS text messages
>>
>> > I text alot (so it's a superb deal)
>>
>> > I realise I can just take the battery out of the phone (to prevent
>> > being traced) but what if I want to text people?
>>
>> > Suppose I use a really old handset. Will this make a difference? Or
>> > can they still trace me from my signal.
>>
>> If your phone is turned on and connected to the service, they *know* more
>> or
>> less where you are 'cos they know which masts are picking up your signal.
>> Using an old handset would make no difference.
>>
>> Why not just pay HSBC their 700 quid - then you won't have to worry?! I
>> doubt whether anybody here will encourage you to be dishonest.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
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>
> HSBC are the GREEDY MULTINATIONALS who PROFIT from DECENT HARD WORKING
> people such as myself.

hang on, aren`t you trying to steal from HSBC by avoiding paying them the
money that you owe them? Hardly the actions of decent hardworking people
surely?

> Are you serious? Who's side are you on here?
>
> They have made a mint from me in UNLAWFUL bank charges. I took a loan
> to cover these bank charges. The interest is crippling me. My life is
> ruined.

If they are unlawful then challenge them. Then learn how to manage your
money - how can anyone be stupid enough to run up this level of debt from
charges? Why didn`t you get an overdraft authorised, to give you a bit of
leeway incase you get your sums wrong? That`s why I`ve got a £5k overdraft
limit, to make sure that if a bill comes out early I won`t go over any limit
that will cost me money - I notice and transfer the cash into my current
account the same day.

> Get off your high horse or shut up if you have no useful advice.

Perhaps if you wheren`t trying to steal then people might want to help you.

> Yeah but then I can't send 5000 text messages a month for 10 uk pounds
> I just don't want the baliffs coming around & taking my flatmates
> stereo equipment etc.
> (private debt collectors etc.)

So you can pay back £120 a year by getting rid of the phone - and
perhaps if you find an alternative cheaper way to travel abroad, you can
pay back more of what you owe.

If the charges were "illegal" - for which the financial services
authority (?) have now set a limit of a £12 charge - you can claim back
all the excess charges.

You have nothing to lose as you're abroad 70% of the time, so it won't
be an issue if they close your account (which they have been known to
do, much to the chagrin of the FSA etc.)

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 27, 5:17 pm, "Roger Mills" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>>
>>
>> Why not just pay HSBC their 700 quid - then you won't have to
>> worry?!

>
> HSBC are the GREEDY MULTINATIONALS who PROFIT from DECENT HARD WORKING
> people such as myself.
>
> They have made a mint from me in UNLAWFUL bank charges.

In that case challenge them in court - or complain to the banking Ombudsman.
That's better than trying to hide from them.
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In uk.legal on Tue, 27 Feb 2007, [email protected] wrote :
>>
>> Surely one way around it would be to purchase a new PAYG phone with cash
>> - they'll be able to trace the phone, but they won't know who it belongs
>> to.
>
>Yeah but then I can't send 5000 text messages a month for 10 uk pounds
>
>I just don't want the baliffs coming around & taking my flatmates
>stereo equipment etc.
>
>(private debt collectors etc.)

Can they do that? Surely the debt is yours, not theirs?
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

In message <[email protected]>, Jon
<[email protected]> writes
>They are a bank. People ruin their own lives, they don't need any help
>from HSBC. You are responsible for your own situation. Charges are
>placed on your account because YOU spent more than YOU had. Am I right?

If charges are unlawful then they are unlawful. The reasons behind them
are entirely irrelevant.
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Simon Finnigan wrote:
||
||| Get off your high horse or shut up if you have no useful advice.
||
|| Perhaps if you wheren`t trying to steal then people might want to
|| help you.

If not paying someone what you owe them was considered stealing, then I
suggest we may need quite a few more prisons. Then we can start to populate
them with the worst offenders, those that go under for millions of pounds of
other peoples money.

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"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Simon Finnigan wrote:
> ||
> ||| Get off your high horse or shut up if you have no useful advice.
> ||
> || Perhaps if you wheren`t trying to steal then people might want to
> || help you.
>
> If not paying someone what you owe them was considered stealing, then I
> suggest we may need quite a few more prisons. Then we can start to
> populate them with the worst offenders, those that go under for millions
> of pounds of other peoples money.


Well i`d have no problems with that.

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In message <[email protected]>, Simon Finnigan
<[email protected]> writes
>"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>> ||
>> ||| Get off your high horse or shut up if you have no useful advice.
>> ||
>> || Perhaps if you wheren`t trying to steal then people might want to
>> || help you.
>>
>> If not paying someone what you owe them was considered stealing, then I
>> suggest we may need quite a few more prisons. Then we can start to
>> populate them with the worst offenders, those that go under for millions
>> of pounds of other peoples money.
>
>
>Well i`d have no problems with that.
>

Yes, debtors prisons. Why stop there, how about re-introducing the
birch, village stocks and the ducking stool.
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In message <[email protected]>,
[email protected] writes
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:49:16 GMT, Mike_B <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>> how about re-introducing the
>>birch,
>
>Best thing that could happen in this country today and it would have
>far better effect than any asbo .

Yes..... I forgot that no matter how outrageous one tries to be on here,
there'll be some hang 'em and flog 'em merchant who'll think its a jolly
good idea.

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In message <[email protected]>,
[email protected] writes
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:33:24 GMT, Mike_B <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>,
>>[email protected] writes
>>>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:49:16 GMT, Mike_B <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> how about re-introducing the
>>>>birch,
>>>
>>>Best thing that could happen in this country today and it would have
>>>far better effect than any asbo .
>>
>>Yes..... I forgot that no matter how outrageous one tries to be on here,
>>there'll be some hang 'em and flog 'em merchant who'll think its a jolly
>>good idea.
>Well now Mike when some little darlings have put bricks through your
>windows and sprayed your car with paint and pelted nearly every house
>window in the street with eggs perhaps you may change your opinion .
>Bring back hanging and the birch allowing teachers the use of cane and
>slipper again would be a start ,these things are not compulsory you
>only receive them when you step outside the law so what's the problem
>? .

So the village stocks and the ducking stool weren't to your liking then?

As to "So what's the problem?".... I can't even be bothered to start
with it because people with your views would never be open to receive
any alternative view anyway.


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In message <[email protected]>,
[email protected] writes
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:12:02 GMT, Mike_B <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>As to "So what's the problem?".... I can't even be bothered to start
>>with it because people with your views would never be open to receive
>>any alternative view anyway.
>All the alternative's have been tried and have failed miserably you
>only need to listen to people up and down the country regarding the
>subject to know this .
>On a personal level early in 2006 I had a tin of paint thrown on my
>car resulting in 1400 pounds of damage our local copper caught the
>little B.....D responsible full marks to her the boy admitted the
>offence he had no choice when police found paint on trousers in his
>house and he was summonsed to appear before a juvenile court .
> For what happened afterwards I place the full blame on the
>magistrates who sat the hearing not the little ....... in question .
>The magistrates in true do gooder tradition awarded him a sentence of
>six months 3 to be served in custody at a young offenders institution
>and 3 in the community which was much much to lenient in my opinion
>and off he went to start the term .
>A week after the hearing the darling boy got cleaver and appealed
>against sentence and whatdoyaknow Mr do gooder magistrates reduced the
>sentence to one of four months in custody and three served in the
>community and Blair says they are being tough on crime!! .
>I honestly do not know who I would like to kick the balls of first the
>boy or the damned magistrates .

As I said, unwilling to listen to anybody else's view anyway but at
least you are open about the fact. The sentence sounds about right to
me. He only got paint on your car and presumably you weren't injured as
a result.

I'm sorry but I can't take anyone seriously when they say the
re-introduction of hanging and flogging would be "a start". The mind
boggles as to what ultimate end you would have in mind.
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"Mike_B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] writes
>>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:12:02 GMT, Mike_B <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As to "So what's the problem?".... I can't even be bothered to start
>>>with it because people with your views would never be open to receive
>>>any alternative view anyway.
>>All the alternative's have been tried and have failed miserably you
>>only need to listen to people up and down the country regarding the
>>subject to know this .
>>On a personal level early in 2006 I had a tin of paint thrown on my
>>car resulting in 1400 pounds of damage our local copper caught the
>>little B.....D responsible full marks to her the boy admitted the
>>offence he had no choice when police found paint on trousers in his
>>house and he was summonsed to appear before a juvenile court .
>> For what happened afterwards I place the full blame on the
>>magistrates who sat the hearing not the little ....... in question .
>>The magistrates in true do gooder tradition awarded him a sentence of
>>six months 3 to be served in custody at a young offenders institution
>>and 3 in the community which was much much to lenient in my opinion
>>and off he went to start the term .
>>A week after the hearing the darling boy got cleaver and appealed
>>against sentence and whatdoyaknow Mr do gooder magistrates reduced the
>>sentence to one of four months in custody and three served in the
>>community and Blair says they are being tough on crime!! .
>>I honestly do not know who I would like to kick the balls of first the
>>boy or the damned magistrates .
>
> As I said, unwilling to listen to anybody else's view anyway but at least
> you are open about the fact. The sentence sounds about right to me. He
> only got paint on your car and presumably you weren't injured as a result.


So you`d be perfectly happy if that had happened to you would you, would you
still consider justice to have been done?

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