New law on diving while on mobiles..

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> > > Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
> > > want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not
> > > that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those
> > > aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous
> > > yellow.
> >
> > Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at
> > 29mph, have you..? ;-) Ivor
>
> Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.

Hmm. I've been riding for almost 25 years and have never had an accident.
I only fell off once and that was when a suicidal car driver passed me
with 6 inches to spare at about 40mph (in a 30 limit) while I was
stationary at the side of the road trying to decide which way I needed to
go.

Ivor

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"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Matt F" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> > "Matt F" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> > news:[email protected] [snip]
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>> > > Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
>> > > want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not
>> > > that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those
>> > > aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous
>> > > yellow.
>> >
>> > Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at
>> > 29mph, have you..? ;-) Ivor
>>
>> Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
>
> Hmm. I've been riding for almost 25 years and have never had an accident.
> I only fell off once and that was when a suicidal car driver passed me
> with 6 inches to spare at about 40mph (in a 30 limit) while I was
> stationary at the side of the road trying to decide which way I needed to
> go.
>
> Ivor

Doubtless there are a number of sensible bikers, unfortunately there are
many more nutters who blast through residential streets at 70+ mph and weave
in and out of traffic at high speed leaving inches between cars and a few of
these loonies strap a camcorder to there handlebars to record it and stick
it on youtube.

MattF

In message <[email protected]>, Ivor Jones
<[email protected]> writes
>"Matt F" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>[snip]
>
>> Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
>> want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not that
>> difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those aren't they -
>> being 10 foot tall and painted luminous yellow.
>
>Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at 29mph, have you..? ;-)
>
so don't try to use a 900cc motorbike on roads with a 30mph limit!

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In message <[email protected]>, Matt F
<[email protected]> writes
>
>Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.

writing from a cyclist's POV, most car drivers are borderline homicidal.

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> In message <[email protected]>, Ivor
> Jones <[email protected]> writes
> > "Matt F" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > message
> > news:[email protected] [snip]
> >
> > > Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
> > > want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not
> > > that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those
> > > aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous
> > > yellow.
> >
> > Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at
> > 29mph, have you..? ;-)
> so don't try to use a 900cc motorbike on roads with a
> 30mph limit!

But if I did that I'd never get out of the driveway..!

Ivor

In article <[email protected]>, Ivor Jones
<[email protected]> writes

>Hmm. I've been riding for almost 25 years and have never had an accident.
>I only fell off once and that was when a suicidal car driver passed me
* homicidal? *
>with 6 inches to spare at about 40mph (in a 30 limit) while I was
>stationary at the side of the road trying to decide which way I needed to
>go.

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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:37:36 -0000, Jon <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>touch the buttons to operate it.

ER, why do people keep trying to redefine the law?

The law says that you must not use a hand-held phone. As long as the
phone is in a holder and you don't have to hold it, it is entirely
legal to press buttons on it.

If you were referring to having to press buttons on the headset,
that's irrelevant too. The headset / earpiece is not hand-held. You
wear it on your head. Pressing buttons is legal. Holding a phone is
not.

The law may or may not be daft, but at least it is clear.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:11:08 +0000, [email protected] wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:37:36 -0000, Jon <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>>touch the buttons to operate it.
>
>ER, why do people keep trying to redefine the law?
>
>The law says that you must not use a hand-held phone. As long as the
>phone is in a holder and you don't have to hold it, it is entirely
>legal to press buttons on it.
>
>If you were referring to having to press buttons on the headset,
>that's irrelevant too. The headset / earpiece is not hand-held. You
>wear it on your head. Pressing buttons is legal. Holding a phone is
>not.
>
>The law may or may not be daft, but at least it is clear.

The problem is called "They Say" syndrome. My grandmother had it and my wife
gets it sometimes....

They make up their own semi-logic based on what they read on the back of a
cornflakes packet (sic).



Sir Hugh of Bognor

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Heh, Looks like an imbecile to me or a copper (or both!)


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> "Matt F" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
>
> I can see you're an open-minded intelligent kind of chap.

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> "Linker3000" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>> "KPR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are
>>> still 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk
>>> as using the phone without a hands-free kit).
>>>
>> Yeah, and you can also get fined/pointed more easily for eating a sammich
>> now according to a paper I read last night.
>>
>> Picking nose, scratching ear, having a row with the spouse, adjusting the
>> mirror, tuning radio, inserting CD, fishing for loose change down the
>> side of the seat still or being an old codger weaving from side to side
>> at 18mph in a 40 zone OK tho'.
>
> what about operating a Dictaphone............that's not covered but I
> assume you could be stopped and recited the 'driving with undue care and
> attention' rule.
>
> like my daughter who was stopped last week for not wearing a seat
> belt...........the cop said its lucky you were not on the phone otherwise
> it would be 3 points................then why don't they concentrate on
> those phone users..............I see at least 3 driving 15 miles to work
> each morning.


You see them, and I see them, when you`re in your own car. At one point I
spent well over 40 hours out patrolling with traffic police, and saw a grand
total of 3 people using their mobile phones. All 3 of them where done for
it though. Compare that 3 people in 40 hours to the 5 people I saw on a
single drive home one day! It`s just that people see the high-vis and drop
their phones.

As for people not wearing their seat-belt, a friend of mine was at a crash
where someone hadn`t worn their seatbelt, while carrying a baby on their
lap. To say it was an unpleasant experience for them having to see the mess
left behind would be a major understatement!

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"Paul Cummins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Simon Finnigan) wrote:
>
>> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you
>> are still 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the
>> same risk as using the phone without a hands-free kit).
>
> where's the research to bach this statistic?


Check out (for example) the report by Strayer, Drews and Crouch of the
University of Utah - "A comparison of the Cellphone driver and the drunk
driver".

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"Gaz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>> "KPR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>
>>
>> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are
>> still
>> 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk as using
>> the phone without a hands-free kit).
>
> Except, that statistic is made up to suit an agenda by an ati-car pressure
> group.


Check out (for example) the report by Strayer, Drews and Crouch of the
University of Utah - "A comparison of the Cellphone driver and the drunk
driver".

And you can claim to be as capable of driving while using your phone all you
want - the simple fact is that it distracts you from driving, making you a
more dangerous driver. If you disagree then please prove this and have the
law changed.

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"Paul Cummins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Simon Finnigan) wrote:
>
>> > where's the research to bach this statistic?
>>
>>
>> Check out (for example) the report by Strayer, Drews and Crouch of
>> the University of Utah - "A comparison of the Cellphone driver and
>> the drunk driver".
>
> OK, that's in Utah. Different types of road and vehicle, different
> laws of the roads, different weather and traffic conditions.
>
> Where's the BRITISH research to back this statistic?



you could have watched the traffic show on bbc1 last night where a woman in
her 20s was absolutely squished by a lorry driver playing with his mobile -
it looked like something that would come out of a car crusher.


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"Paul Cummins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> and this *single* accident proves that you have a 400% higher risk of
> an accident if you happen to be using the phone at the time?
>
> Given my driving record, my accident risk tends to zero. A 400%
> increase in Zero risk is stil Zero risk.



so what's your argument exactly? - that your driving skill is such that if
you drive with a mobile phone your skill is not impaired?




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> > and this *single* accident proves that you have a 400%
> > higher risk of an accident if you happen to be using
> > the phone at the time? Given my driving record, my accident risk tends
> > to
> > zero. A 400% increase in Zero risk is stil Zero risk.
>
>
>
> so what's your argument exactly? - that your driving
> skill is such that if you drive with a mobile phone your
> skill is not impaired?

Driving skill is an individual thing, you simply cannot say *everyone* is
a more dangerous driver whilst doing a particular thing, be it using a
phone, eating a sandwich or whatever.

One person might be a risk to everyone within a 5 mile radius simply by
getting behind the wheel (although one hopes the driving test would weed
out the worst). Another person may very well be capable of driving at
70mph while both on the phone *and* eating a sandwich..! You simply cannot
reduce every single person to the lowest common denominator.


Ivor