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  1. #1
    Alan
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    A person who posts to these groups, namely Paul Cummins, is currently
    issuing rogue, third-party message cancellations over in the
    uk.radio.amateur newsgroup.

    Mr Cummins isn't issuing these cancels against spam, he's issuing them
    because he wishes to censor.

    He may be doing the same in these groups too.

    So, if any of you notice your messages disappearing in these groups, I
    suggest you look in the direction of Mr Paul Cummins.





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  2. #2
    Paul Cummins
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Alan) wrote:

    > *From:* Alan <[email protected]>
    > *Date:* Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:37:54 +0100
    >
    > A person who posts to these groups, namely Paul Cummins, is
    > currently issuing rogue, third-party message cancellations over in
    > the uk.radio.amateur newsgroup.


    False. Spam from a single user was disrupting the group and was being
    cancelled. The BI of the spam postings had reached 41 over a 45 day
    rolling period.
    http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#3.2

    > Mr Cummins isn't issuing these cancels against spam, he's issuing
    > them because he wishes to censor.


    False. Spam was being cancelled in the group, unfortunately this used
    used the same posting address and 2 of his posts were mistakenly
    cancelled today - for which an apology was made several hours ago.

    > He may be doing the same in these groups too.


    False. Notice the lack of evidence of his allegations.

    > So, if any of you notice your messages disappearing in these
    > groups, I suggest you look in the direction of Mr Paul Cummins.


    Says an alt.net user...!

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  3. #3
    Mugwump
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...
    > A person who posts to these groups, namely Paul Cummins, is currently
    > issuing rogue, third-party message cancellations over in the
    > uk.radio.amateur newsgroup.
    >
    > Mr Cummins isn't issuing these cancels against spam, he's issuing them
    > because he wishes to censor.
    >
    > He may be doing the same in these groups too.
    >
    > So, if any of you notice your messages disappearing in these groups, I
    > suggest you look in the direction of Mr Paul Cummins.
    >
    >
    >

    Very few news providers, if any, honour cancels these days mainly to
    prevent this sort of abuse.



  4. #4
    gm
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    "Mugwump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > <Message source deleted>


    What was that?





  5. #5
    Bruce
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    gm wrote:
    > "Mugwump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> <Message source deleted>

    >
    > What was that?


    It probably concerned rogue, third-party message cancellations...
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  6. #6
    dave @ stejonda
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    In message <[email protected]>, Bruce
    <[email protected]> writes
    >gm wrote:
    >> "Mugwump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> <Message source deleted>

    >> What was that?

    >
    >It probably concerned rogue, third-party message cancellations...


    Paul has posted elsewhere that the articles he's been cancelling have
    been Spam - since he's a long-time member of that ng I'm inclined to
    believe him.

    [x-posting removed]
    --
    dave @ stejonda



  7. #7

    Re: A warning for these groups

    On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:08:47 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
    <no$spam!delete&abuse%[email protected]> wrote:

    >since he's a long-time member of that ng I'm inclined to
    >believe him.


    Since he's well known for what he posts here, I'm inclined NOT to
    believe him.

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  8. #8
    Paul Cummins
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] () wrote:

    >
    > Since he's well known for what he posts here, I'm inclined NOT to
    > believe him.


    Thankfully your opinion is less well regarded than even {r}

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  9. #9
    Alan
    Guest

    Re: A warning for these groups

    On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:08:47 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
    <no$spam!delete&abuse%[email protected]> wrote:

    >In message <[email protected]>, Bruce
    ><[email protected]> writes
    >>gm wrote:
    >>> "Mugwump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> <Message source deleted>
    >>> What was that?

    >>
    >>It probably concerned rogue, third-party message cancellations...

    >
    >Paul has posted elsewhere that the articles he's been cancelling have
    >been Spam - since he's a long-time member of that ng I'm inclined to
    >believe him.


    Well, you'd be wrong to believe him.

    Here's a message that Paul Cummins cancelled:

    Control: cancel <[email protected]>

    Does that look like spam? No! Paul cancelled that message to censor.



  10. #10
    Andy Champ
    Guest

    Re: A warning for these groups

    Alan wrote:
    > A person who posts to these groups, is currently
    > issuing rogue, third-party message cancellations over in the
    > uk.radio.amateur newsgroup.
    >

    Alan,

    this may be genuine but I regard with great suspicion *any* message
    x-posted to this many groups.

    Andy



  11. #11
    Bill Borland
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    In article <[email protected]>, Clive D. W. Feather
    <[email protected]> writes
    >
    >The generally accepted definition of spam does *not* require the
    >messages to be commercial.
    >

    Doesn't it? I have always understood the meaning to be "unsolicited
    commercial e-mail" - is that definition out of date?
    --
    Bill Borland




  12. #12
    Spookytooth
    Guest

    Re: A warning for these groups

    "Indeed, to see a complain about netiquette coming from alt.net smacks of
    the food cooking utensil making chromatic allegations about the water
    boiling container"

    Oh dear God! It's "humour" like this that confirms in people's minds the
    notion that computer users are dull, nerdy and out of touch with the real
    world.





  13. #13
    Bob Eager
    Guest

    Re: A warning for these groups

    On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:15:30 UTC, Bill Borland <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Clive D. W. Feather
    > <[email protected]> writes
    > >
    > >The generally accepted definition of spam does *not* require the
    > >messages to be commercial.
    > >

    > Doesn't it? I have always understood the meaning to be "unsolicited
    > commercial e-mail" - is that definition out of date?


    UCE is usually spam, but might not be. Try this:

    http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html

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    euthanasia recommended. ]



  14. #14
    Roland Perry
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    Re: A warning for these groups

    In message <[email protected]>, at 19:15:30 on Tue, 10
    Apr 2007, Bill Borland <[email protected]> remarked:
    >>The generally accepted definition of spam does *not* require the
    >>messages to be commercial.
    >>

    >Doesn't it? I have always understood the meaning to be "unsolicited
    >commercial e-mail" - is that definition out of date?


    There are many different definitions, for different purposes. For
    clarity one should think about UBM: Unsolicited Bulk Messaging (The
    messages have to be both unsolicited and in bulk).

    Some lawmakers actually *allow* business to business spam (which I would
    say was commercial), while prohibiting business to individual spam (but
    you can only prosecute people you can identify and arrest, which
    probably accounts for less than 1% of email spam in circulation).

    Because some of the early examples of Spam were marketers selling
    products, that label has stuck in many people's minds; but it's pretty
    meaningless today.
    --
    Roland Perry



  15. #15
    Clive D. W. Feather
    Guest

    Re: A warning for these groups

    In article <[email protected]>, Bill Borland
    <[email protected]> writes
    >>The generally accepted definition of spam does *not* require the
    >>messages to be commercial.

    >Doesn't it? I have always understood the meaning to be "unsolicited
    >commercial e-mail" - is that definition out of date?


    While commercial was always the biggest issue with spam, from the
    earliest days there was spam of other kinds, such as religious,
    political, or urban-legend-spreading. One used to see the terms "UCE"
    and "UBE" in an attempt to distinguish "commercial" and "bulk", but it's
    all spam.

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