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  1. #1
    Dan
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    O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from
    inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007.

    This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price
    plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing
    tariffs.


    * 0500, 0505, 055, 056, 080, 082, 0844, 0845 and 0870 numbers.
    Excludes 09 and 0871 numbers.
    0871 calls are 35p per/min at all times.

    Please bear in mind the changes to 0870 in early 2008, and new number
    ranges 0843 and 0872 being added.
    See Ofcom website for details.

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  2. #2
    John Kenyon
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    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.


    "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from
    > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007.
    >
    > This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price
    > plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing
    > tariffs.


    Will this affect the PUFFL Leisure 200 tariff?

    /john





  3. #3
    Dan
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from
    > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007.
    > This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price
    > plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing
    > tariffs.
    > * 0500, 0505, 055, 056, 080, 082, 0844, 0845 and 0870 numbers.
    > Excludes 09 and 0871 numbers.
    > 0871 calls are 35p per/min at all times.
    > Please bear in mind the changes to 0870 in early 2008, and new number
    > ranges 0843 and 0872 being added.
    > See Ofcom website for details.


    Sorry that list should have included the new 06 number range due in
    the near future, though if these number were inclusive on older plans,
    and you know about and/or how personal numbers work, older tariffs are
    going to become even more sort after!

    Maybe another idea for pre-dial at some point

    It could be some of the reason why o2 are now starting to get people
    off these tariffs, I don't know. I have also found out that since
    January if you upgrade through CPW, they can no longer keep you or me
    in this case on an old online tariff, I had to either change price
    plan to upgrade or go to o2 direct.

    No way am I changing tariff! So upgraded with o2 directly

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  4. #4
    Sam
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    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    On 15 Apr 2007 12:03:32 -0700, "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from
    >inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007.
    >
    >This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price
    >plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing
    >tariffs.
    >
    >
    >* 0500, 0505, 055, 056, 080, 082, 0844, 0845 and 0870 numbers.
    > Excludes 09 and 0871 numbers.
    > 0871 calls are 35p per/min at all times.
    >
    >Please bear in mind the changes to 0870 in early 2008, and new number
    >ranges 0843 and 0872 being added.
    >See Ofcom website for details.


    So I guess anyone wanting to change tariff or get a better retention
    deal when upgrading will be screwed if inclusive 08xx is important to
    them then (like me)?

    Shame really since it's the one thing that differentiates o2 from the
    rest of the networks and my only reason next to coverage for being
    with them.

    Sam.



  5. #5
    Dan
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    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    I understand that the only exception to the OP will be calls to 08xx
    that are used by o2 and THA numbers.

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  6. #6
    Jon
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > On 15 Apr 2007 12:03:32 -0700, "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from
    > >inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007.
    > >
    > >This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price
    > >plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing
    > >tariffs.
    > >
    > >
    > >* 0500, 0505, 055, 056, 080, 082, 0844, 0845 and 0870 numbers.
    > > Excludes 09 and 0871 numbers.
    > > 0871 calls are 35p per/min at all times.
    > >
    > >Please bear in mind the changes to 0870 in early 2008, and new number
    > >ranges 0843 and 0872 being added.
    > >See Ofcom website for details.

    >
    > So I guess anyone wanting to change tariff or get a better retention
    > deal when upgrading will be screwed if inclusive 08xx is important to
    > them then (like me)?
    >
    > Shame really since it's the one thing that differentiates o2 from the
    > rest of the networks and my only reason next to coverage for being
    > with them.


    It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took
    them as long as it has to make this change.
    --
    Regards
    Jon



  7. #7
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:52:52 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    <Snip>

    >It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took
    >them as long as it has to make this change.


    Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the
    next couple of quarters.

    Personally I've no where else to go now, or should that be want to go?
    ;-)

    I swore I'd never go back to Orange, T-Mobile's coverage here is dire,
    Voda's isn't much better, and have no interest in Three regardless of
    how tempting their deals maybe.

    Sam.



  8. #8
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:55:23 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

    <Snip>

    >I am looking round for a new contract and Three's look very tempting
    >what makes you say what you have said about them ? .


    Language barrier between myself and their India based customer
    service.

    Crippled/customised handset firmware.

    Unable to use my own unlocked/unbranded 3g/UTMS handset on their
    network without them threatening to suspend my service.

    No voicemail spool support.

    No Three 3g/UTMS coverage where I am so would depend on 2.5g roaming
    onto Orange.

    Plus a few other things I can't think of right now.

    Sam.



  9. #9
    Jon
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:52:52 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > <Snip>
    >
    > >It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took
    > >them as long as it has to make this change.

    >
    > Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the
    > next couple of quarters.


    It's wont affect them significantly. People are not going to be leaving
    in droves because of this for 2 reasons:

    1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile
    2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle.

    > I swore I'd never go back to Orange, T-Mobile's coverage here is dire,
    > Voda's isn't much better, and have no interest in Three regardless of
    > how tempting their deals maybe.


    O2 it is for you then!
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    Regards
    Jon



  10. #10
    Brian A
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:33:56 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:52:52 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> <Snip>
    >>
    >> >It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took
    >> >them as long as it has to make this change.

    >>
    >> Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the
    >> next couple of quarters.

    >
    >It's wont affect them significantly. People are not going to be leaving
    >in droves because of this for 2 reasons:
    >
    >1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile
    >2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle.

    I do use 08s on a regular basis from O2. I specifically joined O2 for
    this very reason. If it is no longer offered then the attraction of O2
    diminishes - it is one less string to their bow. Fortunately I have a
    PUFFL as well so that, according to an earlier post, should not
    change. I also have ED50.



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  11. #11
    Kevin Cole
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    You could change you 08xx numbers by visiting www.saynoto0870.co.uk there
    are many geographical numbers there.

    And guess what you can use them as part of your inclusive talk time !

    Hope this helps !

    Regards,

    Kev


    "Brian A" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:33:56 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    >>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:52:52 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> <Snip>
    >>>
    >>> >It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it
    >>> >took
    >>> >them as long as it has to make this change.
    >>>
    >>> Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the
    >>> next couple of quarters.

    >>
    >>It's wont affect them significantly. People are not going to be leaving
    >>in droves because of this for 2 reasons:
    >>
    >>1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile
    >>2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle.

    > I do use 08s on a regular basis from O2. I specifically joined O2 for
    > this very reason. If it is no longer offered then the attraction of O2
    > diminishes - it is one less string to their bow. Fortunately I have a
    > PUFFL as well so that, according to an earlier post, should not
    > change. I also have ED50.
    >
    >
    >
    > Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.






  12. #12
    Brian A
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:02:56 +0100, "Kevin Cole"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >You could change you 08xx numbers by visiting www.saynoto0870.co.uk there
    >are many geographical numbers there.
    >
    >And guess what you can use them as part of your inclusive talk time !
    >
    >Hope this helps !
    >
    >Regards,
    >
    >Kev

    Some 08 numbers are to services that are financed by the money they
    collect from the call. Such numbers may be callthroughs, chat lines,
    information services. These are services that people can choose to
    call and are the type of services that, unfortunately, will have to
    use different types of numbers that will be charged for, accordingly,
    by the mobile operators.
    In other words the changes to be made to 0870 numbers etc. will be at
    a great detriment to those of us who use them to access these
    services. I have made this point before, the 0870 services that people
    do like, such as callthroughs and chat lines etc., will suffer because
    of these changes, where the main aim was to eliminate charging to
    services that people don't like to pay for, such as customer services
    etc.
    This is not a win win situation. Many people who frequent this group
    use callthroughs etc. and will be worse off because of the envisaged
    changes to 0870. Further, the services themselves will likely suffer a
    revenue loss because those people who could call these numbers cheaply
    (inlcusive minuites for example) will no longer use the service.
    My view: Changes to 0870 a good thing overall ? NO!

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  13. #13
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:33:56 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >[email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
    >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:52:52 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> <Snip>
    >>
    >> >It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took
    >> >them as long as it has to make this change.

    >>
    >> Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the
    >> next couple of quarters.

    >
    >It's wont affect them significantly. People are not going to be leaving
    >in droves because of this for 2 reasons:
    >
    >1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile


    That maybe true of normal people, however in my little circle of
    around 20 or so people, we all use them to some degree, mostly using
    dialthroughs and dealing with businesses. We are all on o2, most of us
    having moved from ringfenced Orange tariffs.

    >2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle.


    Indeed.

    >> I swore I'd never go back to Orange, T-Mobile's coverage here is dire,
    >> Voda's isn't much better, and have no interest in Three regardless of
    >> how tempting their deals maybe.

    >
    >O2 it is for you then!


    Looks that way, about to be ringfenced again. :-(

    Sam.



  14. #14
    Pete M Williams
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.


    "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:55:23 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > <Snip>
    >
    >>I am looking round for a new contract and Three's look very tempting
    >>what makes you say what you have said about them ? .

    >
    > Language barrier between myself and their India based customer
    > service.
    >
    > Crippled/customised handset firmware.
    >
    > Unable to use my own unlocked/unbranded 3g/UTMS handset on their
    > network without them threatening to suspend my service.
    >
    > No voicemail spool support.
    >
    > No Three 3g/UTMS coverage where I am so would depend on 2.5g roaming
    > onto Orange.
    >
    > Plus a few other things I can't think of right now.
    >


    Yes, but other than those few things was everything else ok





  15. #15
    Dan
    Guest

    Re: O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.

    Dan wrote:
    > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from
    > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007.
    > This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price
    > plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing
    > tariffs.
    > * 0500, 0505, 055, 056, 080, 082, 0844, 0845 and 0870 numbers.
    > Excludes 09 and 0871 numbers.
    > 0871 calls are 35p per/min at all times.
    > Please bear in mind the changes to 0870 in early 2008, and new number
    > ranges 0843 and 0872 being added.
    > See Ofcom website for details.


    Now confirmed on the O2 website as 27 April 2007.
    All 08xx calls will cost 20p/min, expect for 0871 which stays at 35p/
    min.

    The 20p/min rate applies on all Pay Monthly plans where customers have
    connected or upgraded from 27 April 2007 onwards, and calls to these
    numbers are not included in bundle minutes for these plans. Customers
    who have connected or upgraded to a Pay Monthly plan before April 27
    will be charged as for standard UK landlines (01 & 02 numbers).

    http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/t...specialnumbers

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    Dan
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