Locking 3 to 3G network

I'd like to switch the handset on my 3 account to use an ex-O2 K800i.

I'm assuming that this will operate on 3G only, as it doesn't have
the 3 modified software.

Can anyone foresee any problem I should be worried about ... ?

regards, Ian

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> I'd like to switch the handset on my 3 account to use an ex-O2 K800i.
>
> I'm assuming that this will operate on 3G only, as it doesn't have
> the 3 modified software.

The opposite is true. As it doesn't' have tweaked software you will be
able to control it.

> Can anyone foresee any problem I should be worried about ... ?

Being in breach of your 3 contract and risking getting cut-off? They
don't like you using other phones.
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Regards
Jon

In message <[email protected]>, Jon
<[email protected]> writes
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>> I'd like to switch the handset on my 3 account to use an ex-O2 K800i.
>>
<snip>
>
>> Can anyone foresee any problem I should be worried about ... ?
>
>Being in breach of your 3 contract and risking getting cut-off? They
>don't like you using other phones.

Nor do Orange though - do they?

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no$spam!delete&abuse%[email protected] declared for all the world
to hear...
> In message <[email protected]>, Jon
> <[email protected]> writes
> >[email protected] declared for all the world to
> >hear...
> >> I'd like to switch the handset on my 3 account to use an ex-O2 K800i.
> >>
> <snip>
> >
> >> Can anyone foresee any problem I should be worried about ... ?
> >
> >Being in breach of your 3 contract and risking getting cut-off? They
> >don't like you using other phones.
>
> Nor do Orange though - do they?

They may not like it (there's no official policy that I've ever come
across) but with Orange there are no stipulations in the contract about
it, unlike 3.
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Jon

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> I used my T-Mobile sim in three or possibly four different phones over
> the last 18 months until the contract ended without any problems what
> is up with some of these companies does the supplied phone send info
> back to them which we don't know about or something ? .

I think I managed to decipher that, but try a bit of punctuation next
time.

3 have a clause in their contract which basically says you can't use any
phone with your USIM other than the one supplied to you. To do so puts
you in breach and you get cut off after a few days.

I don't think they mind if you use another 3-supplied handset, but if
you put your 3 USIM into a non-3G handset they can and do cut you off.
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Jon

Jon wrote:
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>
> I don't think they mind if you use another 3-supplied handset, but if
> you put your 3 USIM into a non-3G handset they can and do cut you off.

Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram? I had
intended to lock the handset onto the 3G signal, as it now looking
pretty good most places I go.

Do we have any practical experience of 3 disconnecting for this?

regards, Ian

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> Jon wrote:
> > [email protected] declared for all the world to hear...
> >
> > I don't think they mind if you use another 3-supplied handset, but if
> > you put your 3 USIM into a non-3G handset they can and do cut you off.
>
> Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
> therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
> detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram?

It's undoubtedly to do with costs, and the detection is fully automated
as you intimated.

> I had
> intended to lock the handset onto the 3G signal, as it now looking
> pretty good most places I go.

It does that in "auto" mode.

> Do we have any practical experience of 3 disconnecting for this?

Yes, there have been many examples on this group alone.
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Jon

no$spam!delete&abuse%[email protected] declared for all the world
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> In message <[email protected]>, Jon
> <[email protected]> writes
>
> >> >Being in breach of your 3 contract and risking getting cut-off? They
> >> >don't like you using other phones.
> >>
> >> Nor do Orange though - do they?
> >
> >They may not like it (there's no official policy that I've ever come
> >across) but with Orange there are no stipulations in the contract about
> >it, unlike 3.
>
> Ok. Though Orange Care will only replace a lost/damaged phone with the
> registered phone. Which creates an interesting <g> situation if you're
> in the position of a friend of mine who prefers using a much older
> cheaper phone on his current contract than the SPV Orange have provided
> him with.

It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
the "new" phone.

And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.
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Jon

In message <[email protected]>, Jon
<[email protected]> writes
>
>It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
>will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
>the "new" phone.
>
>And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.

too serious Jon.

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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:37:30 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
wrote:
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>> Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
>> therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
>> detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram?
>
>It's undoubtedly to do with costs, and the detection is fully automated
>as you intimated.

I had an N73 supplied by 3, but with non-3 firmware, running for 4~ish
days before it was relegated to a paperweight so they must either work
from the IMEI (rather than detecting modified firmware) or have a
longer detection threshold than that.

>> Do we have any practical experience of 3 disconnecting for this?
>
>Yes, there have been many examples on this group alone.

Shame, as the only chance to get a decent PDA, e.g. XDA Exec, on 3 is
to got a non-3 branded one :-(

In message <[email protected]>, Jon
<[email protected]> writes
>no$spam!delete&abuse%[email protected] declared for all the world
>to hear...
>> In message <[email protected]>, Jon
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>Orange Care will only replace a lost/damaged phone with the
>> registered phone. Which creates an interesting <g> situation if you're
>> in the position of a friend of mine who prefers using a much older
>> cheaper phone on his current contract than the SPV Orange have provided
>> him with.
>
>It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
>will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
>the "new" phone.
>
>And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.

Seriously though, why would Orange charge GBP15+VAT in that situation?
They wouldn't make that charge if the registered phone was lost.

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On 2007-04-23, Stuart Millington <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:37:30 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>[email protected] declared for all the world to
>>hear...
>
>>> Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
>>> therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
>>> detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram?
>>
>>It's undoubtedly to do with costs, and the detection is fully automated
>>as you intimated.
>
> I had an N73 supplied by 3, but with non-3 firmware, running for 4~ish
> days before it was relegated to a paperweight so they must either work
> from the IMEI (rather than detecting modified firmware) or have a
> longer detection threshold than that.

I'd note that 3 PAYG has a SIM-only option, and the text seems to
imply rather explicitly that you can bring a phone from another network.

I had been assuming that their problem was with the use of 2G phones,
or manually selecting 2G service where 3 has (or thinks they have) 3G
coverage. I've had no problem using a 3 Hong Kong V3xx, with manual
network selection menus intact but set to automatic selection, with
a 3 UK SIM for whatever that's worth.

Dennis Ferguson

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> In message <[email protected]>, Jon
> <[email protected]> writes
> >no$spam!delete&abuse%[email protected] declared for all the world
> >to hear...
> >> In message <[email protected]>, Jon
> >> <[email protected]> writes
> >>
> >>Orange Care will only replace a lost/damaged phone with the
> >> registered phone. Which creates an interesting <g> situation if you're
> >> in the position of a friend of mine who prefers using a much older
> >> cheaper phone on his current contract than the SPV Orange have provided
> >> him with.
> >
> >It's not very interesting because the device you lose (the "old one")
> >will not get replaced, nor will it get replaced with another model of
> >the "new" phone.
> >
> >And you'll get charged £15+vat for a new SIM.
>
> Seriously though, why would Orange charge GBP15+VAT in that situation?
> They wouldn't make that charge if the registered phone was lost.

If you need to replace a PAYM SIM and it's not covered by insurance (for
example by using it in a different phone) or warranty then you have to
pay for it. The charge is currently £15+vat.
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Regards
Jon

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> On 2007-04-23, Stuart Millington <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:37:30 +0100, Jon <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>[email protected] declared for all the world to
> >>hear...
> >
> >>> Is this action triggered by locking the phone onto a 2G network and
> >>> therefore causing 3 increased interconnection costs, or do they just
> >>> detect the wrong IMEI and throw their toys out of their pram?
> >>
> >>It's undoubtedly to do with costs, and the detection is fully automated
> >>as you intimated.
> >
> > I had an N73 supplied by 3, but with non-3 firmware, running for 4~ish
> > days before it was relegated to a paperweight so they must either work
> > from the IMEI (rather than detecting modified firmware) or have a
> > longer detection threshold than that.
>
> I'd note that 3 PAYG has a SIM-only option, and the text seems to
> imply rather explicitly that you can bring a phone from another network.
>
> I had been assuming that their problem was with the use of 2G phones,
> or manually selecting 2G service where 3 has (or thinks they have) 3G
> coverage. I've had no problem using a 3 Hong Kong V3xx, with manual
> network selection menus intact but set to automatic selection, with
> a 3 UK SIM for whatever that's worth.

The terms for PAYG may well be different to pay monthly then.
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Regards
Jon

In message <[email protected]>, Jon
<[email protected]> writes
>
>If you need to replace a PAYM SIM and it's not covered by insurance (for
>example by using it in a different phone) or warranty then you have to
>pay for it. The charge is currently £15+vat.

Thanks, I'll tell him.

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