say no to wifi and mobi's

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "R. Mark Clayton" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
>> Oh you again.
>>
>> Do you remember the reply last time: -
>>
>> Literally a handful died of brain neoplasms in the UK in
>> 1992 (essentially before mobiles became widespread) and
>> most of them were over 80.
>> Even a doubling would not be statistically significant,
>> any more than the numbers killed by lightening.
>>
>> OTOH the circumstantial evidence was that you actually
>> have one of these tumours and it is seriously impairing
>> your thought processes.
>
> When I was studying for the Radio Amateur Exam back in the early 80's a
> bloke in our class jumped the gun a bit (he was a more money than sense
> sort of guy) and put up a 60ft tower and a 3 element HF beam. It wasn't
> connected to a transmitter as of course he wasn't yet licensed, but no
> sooner had it appeared on the skyline than he got all the neighbours
> banging on the door complaining of interference to their TV's.

Well a grounded tower might do this.

>
> "Ooh, a phone mast, we'll all get cancer..!"
>
> I think "bollocks" is the polite term.
>

Supersticious Science

>
> Ivor
>
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:45:26 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband ,
"dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> "Ooh, a phone mast, we'll all get cancer..!"
>>
>> I think "bollocks" is the polite term.
>>
>
>As the bloke on the BBC said..
>
>their are two ways mobiles can effect your health..

three...

>you can worry yourself to death about the effects.
>
>you can crash your car while using a mobile.

and...
You can choke to death when forced to eat it for shouting loudly "Yah,
I'm in a train.... no a TRAIN.... I'll be home in ten mins... was
there any post?"
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"Mark McIntyre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> and...
> You can choke to death when forced to eat it for shouting loudly "Yah,
> I'm in a train.... no a TRAIN.... I'll be home in ten mins... was
> there any post?"

Not choke, rather suffer acute anal beleding.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:25:10 +0100, Gordon Hudson wrote:

>
> "Lenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/hea...cle2472140.ece <<
>> A recent authoritative Finnish study has found that people who have used
>> mobiles for more than ten years are 40 per cent more likely to get a
>> brain tumour on the same side of the head as they hold their handset;
>> Swedish research suggests that the risk is almost four times as great.
>> And further research from Sweden claims that the radiation kills off
>> brain cells, which could lead to today's younger generation going senile
>> in their forties and fifties.
>>>>
>>>>
> If that was the case then police officers from the late 60's onwards would
> already have shown these symptoms having been exposed to much more RF from
> handheld UHF radios over the years.

Is it a case of 2 apples + 3 oranges= 7 bananas?

> I am sure someone would have tried sueing for damages if they had
> contracted an illness from such exposure.

I can't believe anyone hasn't.

> I do not know of any cases like that.

Do you know everything.

> I do know of one in the US
> resulting from exposure to police radar guns in the 70's but thats a
> different ball game completely.

So you are saying that 2 apples + 3 oranges <> 7 bananas

Make your mind up.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:19:20 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:19:11 +0100, Lenny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> |!http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/hea...cle2472140.ece !<<
> |!A recent authoritative Finnish study has found that people who have used
> |!mobiles for more than ten years are 40 per cent more likely to get a
> |brain !tumour on the same side of the head as they hold their handset;
> |Swedish !research suggests that the risk is almost four times as great.
> |And further !research from Sweden claims that the radiation kills off
> |brain cells, !which could lead to today's younger generation going senile
> |in their !forties and fifties.
> |!>>
>
> Yet another example of misreported science by scientifically illiterate
> reporters.
>
> If the basic incidence of brain tumours is 1:1000, as it probably is, then
> your increased risk is 0.4 in 1000, which is probably quite acceptable to
> some after doing a cost benefit analysis.

No, the above is about a correlation with which side of your head you hold
the phone on.

> If the damn reporter were able to understand the original research paper
> it would all be there.

Yeah, right.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:02:50 +0100, Harry wrote:

>
> "Dave Fawthrop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:19:11 +0100, Lenny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> |!http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/hea...cle2472140.ece !<<
>> |!A recent authoritative Finnish study has found that people who have
>> |used !mobiles for more than ten years are 40 per cent more likely to
>> |get a
>> brain
>> |!tumour on the same side of the head as they hold their handset;
>> |Swedish !research suggests that the risk is almost four times as great.
>> |And
>> further
>> |!research from Sweden claims that the radiation kills off brain cells,
>> |!which could lead to today's younger generation going senile in their
>> |!forties and fifties.
>> |!>>
>>
>> Yet another example of misreported science by scientifically illiterate
>> reporters.
>>
>> If the basic incidence of brain tumours is 1:1000, as it probably is,
>> then your increased risk is 0.4 in 1000, which is probably quite
>> acceptable to some after doing a cost benefit analysis.
>>
>> If the damn reporter were able to understand the original research paper
>> it
>> would all be there.
>
> I wonder how many people tripped and died on the two cups and a string

You misunderstand also.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:02:47 +0100, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

>
> "Lenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/hea...cle2472140.ece <<
>> A recent authoritative Finnish study has found that people who have used
>> mobiles for more than ten years are 40 per cent more likely to get a
>> brain tumour on the same side of the head as they hold their handset;
>> Swedish research suggests that the risk is almost four times as great.
>> And further research from Sweden claims that the radiation kills off
>> brain cells, which could lead to today's younger generation going senile
>> in their forties and fifties.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> Oh you again.
>
> Do you remember the reply last time: -
>
> Literally a handful died of brain neoplasms in the UK in 1992 (essentially
> before mobiles became widespread) and most of them were over 80.
>
> Even a doubling would not be statistically significant, any more than the
> numbers killed by lightening.
>
> OTOH the circumstantial evidence was that you actually have one of these
> tumours and it is seriously impairing your thought processes.

Ignorant people like resort to adhominem attacks.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:19:48 +0100, Lenny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>No, the above is about a correlation with which side of your head you hold
>the phone on.

No, it isn't. It was a correlation with people reporting which side
they held the phone on. The actual figures showed that the side you
hold the phone on gets a higher than normal rate, and the other side
gets a lower than normal rate. Add the figures together and you get
the normal rate.

Whilst it is just possible that a phone on the other side of a head
could prevent tumours, it is vastly more likely that people
(mis)reported using a phone on the side that got the growth.

But you have an irrational bee in your bonnet about this, and will not
listen or think about it. As ever.


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