UK petrol Prices (Worth Reading not sub related:-)

Petrol Prices! See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it. We
are hitting 95p a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying
£1 a litre. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE
SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going
around last April/May. Oil companies just laughed at that because they
knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It
was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,
whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.
Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations
have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to
take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place
not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers
need to take action.The only way we are going to see the price of petrol
come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol!
We can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea: For the rest of
this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies
(which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they
will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the
other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to
reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to
do!!Now, don't wimp out on me at this point... keep reading and I'll explain
how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to a
lot of people. If each of you send it to atleast ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...
and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on,
by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have
reached over THREEMILLION consumers! If those three million get excited
and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been
contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... .. THREE HUNDRED
MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people.
That's all (and not buy petrol at ESSO/BP). How long would all that take?
If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of
receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the
next 8 days!!! Acting together we can make a difference If this makes
sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER
THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE. It's easy to make this happen. Just
forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys,
Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso. Thanks!

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On 29/07/2007 10:44, MagicUK wrote:

[snip ranting slab of text]

> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER
> THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE.

The 69p/litre breaks down as roughly
(11p/litre retail price + 47p duty) + 10p vat

On Friday crude oil was $77/barrel (of 159 litres)
pound/dollar was 0.49, so raw material is 23p/litre

In effect you expect the crude to be bought, refined, delivered and then
retailed at less than half the current raw material price?

"Andy Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 29/07/2007 10:44, MagicUK wrote:
>
> [snip ranting slab of text]
>
>> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE.
>
> The 69p/litre breaks down as roughly
> (11p/litre retail price + 47p duty) + 10p vat
>
> On Friday crude oil was $77/barrel (of 159 litres)
> pound/dollar was 0.49, so raw material is 23p/litre
>
> In effect you expect the crude to be bought, refined, delivered and then
> retailed at less than half the current raw material price?

Yes, the Govt keep very quiet about how much they cream off of every single
litre sold.

They're quite happy to paint the oil companies as the bad guys.

The fuel protesters should be targeting the UK Govt.

> ...buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc.
> i.e. boycott BP and Esso.

I wonder who the supermarkets buy from. The odds are, it's the same
people that it's suggested we boycott.

The big problem of course is that there's too much tax on the feckin'
stuff to begin with.

How many times do we have to pay tax on income for instance - we have
income tax, VAT on products, tax on petrol which then gets additional
tax through VAT, ad infinitum.

All this time, any savings we manage to scrape together are taxed on
the interest it may make - with perhaps the exception of an ISA -
which the poorer people in society can't take advantage of as they
spend all their meagre income on day-to-day living.

Fuel taxation reference here:

http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn55.pdf (see page 5)

This all hits the poorest in society the hardest, as you can only
realistically consume so much - it hits those with less to spend than
those with money whose outlay is proportionally smaller as against
income.

Simple maths on simple figures for income:

£10,000 - all spent on day to day living - basically all taxed - no
chance in hell they can save anything meaningful from their income.

£100,000 - spends roughly the same on day to day living - leaving
£90,000 comparably "spare", paying tax on only the interest of same.
Any expenditure out of that £90,000 is essentially a lifestyle choice.

We need to tweak the "national minimum wage" to include a "maximum
wage" - no offshore tax havens or tax avoidance schemes allowed. Does
*anyone* need more than, say, £250,000 a year to live on ? Seriously ?

Alternatively, set a multiplier up between the lowest paid full-time
bog cleaner to the Chief Exec, lets say 1:10 or 1:15 - if the CEO
wants £1M, pay the bog cleaner £66k (1:15)

I would however exempt traditional family run companies from this
"upper limit" as they've done all the work themselves, but no PLC or
footballer should be able to cream the system the way they have been
i.e. a Chief Exec is just a figurehead getting paid too much money for
the work of those who preceded them and got the company to where it is
today.

"MagicUK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER
> THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE. It's easy to make this happen.
> Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco,
> Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso. Thanks!
>
BP and ESSO are CHEAPER than my local supermarket, plus I don't have to
drive another 10 miles to get there.

So much for the SCAMmell Pipeline Card that was meant to give consumers a
5p minimum discount on petrol. Remember that ? The Pipedream Card! It was
something in the UK used to gather a mailing list of drivers after the
petrol strikes - without there ever being any end result. People need to
REMOVE their details from the Pipeline site before they are sold on.
Various companies such as Texaco already have a payment card anyway. The
companies know you NEED petrol and diesel so will never give in, the demand
is far too high.
Wake up! You're fighting a losing battle.

"Chuckles The Scary Clown" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news[email protected]...
>
> "Andy Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 29/07/2007 10:44, MagicUK wrote:
>>
>> [snip ranting slab of text]
>>
>>> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE.
>>
>> The 69p/litre breaks down as roughly
>> (11p/litre retail price + 47p duty) + 10p vat
>>
>> On Friday crude oil was $77/barrel (of 159 litres)
>> pound/dollar was 0.49, so raw material is 23p/litre
>>
>> In effect you expect the crude to be bought, refined, delivered and then
>> retailed at less than half the current raw material price?
>
> Yes, the Govt keep very quiet about how much they cream off of every
> single litre sold.
>
> They're quite happy to paint the oil companies as the bad guys.
>
> The fuel protesters should be targeting the UK Govt.
>
The only reason British Soldiers are being killed every day is because of
oil. We're in countries over events that do not concern us.

"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> ...buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc.
> i.e. boycott BP and Esso.

I wonder who the supermarkets buy from. The odds are, it's the same
people that it's suggested we boycott.

The big problem of course is that there's too much tax on the feckin'
stuff to begin with.

How many times do we have to pay tax on income for instance - we have
income tax, VAT on products, tax on petrol which then gets additional
tax through VAT, ad infinitum.

All this time, any savings we manage to scrape together are taxed on
the interest it may make - with perhaps the exception of an ISA -
which the poorer people in society can't take advantage of as they
spend all their meagre income on day-to-day living.

Fuel taxation reference here:

http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn55.pdf (see page 5)

This all hits the poorest in society the hardest, as you can only
realistically consume so much - it hits those with less to spend than
those with money whose outlay is proportionally smaller as against
income.

Simple maths on simple figures for income:

£10,000 - all spent on day to day living - basically all taxed - no
chance in hell they can save anything meaningful from their income.

£100,000 - spends roughly the same on day to day living - leaving
£90,000 comparably "spare", paying tax on only the interest of same.
Any expenditure out of that £90,000 is essentially a lifestyle choice.

We need to tweak the "national minimum wage" to include a "maximum
wage" - no offshore tax havens or tax avoidance schemes allowed. Does
*anyone* need more than, say, £250,000 a year to live on ? Seriously ?

Alternatively, set a multiplier up between the lowest paid full-time
bog cleaner to the Chief Exec, lets say 1:10 or 1:15 - if the CEO
wants £1M, pay the bog cleaner £66k (1:15)

I would however exempt traditional family run companies from this
"upper limit" as they've done all the work themselves, but no PLC or
footballer should be able to cream the system the way they have been
i.e. a Chief Exec is just a figurehead getting paid too much money for
the work of those who preceded them and got the company to where it is
today.

You sound extremely jealous of people that have gone out and got a decent
job, or set up companies to earn a good living. You sound like a pensioner
to me, maybe after a lifetime of moaning about not getting enough benefits
after buying booze, fags and going to bingo! Either that or you never
progressed very far and were stuck on very little money all your life. I
can't tell which, but you seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder. The
world doesn't owe you a living. If someone goes out and works hard to earn
£1million a year then good for them. All the scroungers and lazy people
will complain as that's all they know.
Companies don't value employees, it's not fashionable to do so. workers are
"used" to earn money for a company. As many are told, "if you don't like it
get another job"!
No need to be jealous if you have failed in life.

> You sound extremely jealous of people that have gone out and got a decent
> job, or set up companies to earn a good living. You sound like a pensioner
> to me, maybe after a lifetime of moaning about not getting enough benefits
> after buying booze, fags and going to bingo!

Nope, not a pensioner, drink very little, and have never even tried
smoking.

> Either that or you never progressed very far and were stuck on very little
> money all your life.

I've worked full time since I was 16, it might not pay wonderfully,
but it's not bad in the scheme of things compared to many.

> I can't tell which, but you seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder. The
> world doesn't owe you a living. If someone goes out and works hard to earn
> £1million a year then good for them. All the scroungers and lazy people
> will complain as that's all they know.

Very few people earning £1M do it off their own backs.

> Companies don't value employees, it's not fashionable to do so. workers are
> "used" to earn money for a company. As many are told, "if you don't like it
> get another job"!

....which would be well and good if the scales weren't so skewed to
giving management undeserved reward for the effort of others.

> No need to be jealous if you have failed in life.

I don't believe I have failed - I still work full time, despite ending
up with a back injury in the early 90s that left me registered
disabled.

"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


> We need to tweak the "national minimum wage" to include a "maximum
> wage" - no offshore tax havens or tax avoidance schemes allowed. Does
> *anyone* need more than, say, £250,000 a year to live on ? Seriously ?



so if you generate 2 million pounds through hard work the govermnent should
help themselves to £1750000 !?
what kind of incentive is that to work?
and if you dont earn anything the following year - perhaps you're a singer
who stops being succesful what then? - would the government hand back 250
grand ?
it's the politics of envy - you earn it, it's yours.
if we all paid the same % that would be truly fair.

and for the truly rich, if you tried a trick like that they would simply
take their business elsewhere - so you could then live in your communist
utopia without them.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

In message <[email protected]>, MagicUK
<[email protected]> writes
>We are hitting 95p a litre in some areas now

in SE London 95p/l is cheap!

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dave @ stejonda

"Colin Wilson"
<[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected]

[snip]

> > I can't tell which, but you seem to have a huge chip on
> > your shoulder. The world doesn't owe you a living. If
> > someone goes out and works hard to earn £1million a
> > year then good for them. All the scroungers and lazy
> > people will complain as that's all they know.
>
> Very few people earning £1M do it off their own backs.

A correction is called for here. Nobody *earns* £1M - they may *get paid*
£1M but they sure as hell don't *earn* it.

Ivor

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:44:14 +0100, MagicUK wrote:

> Petrol Prices! See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it. We
> are hitting 95p a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying
> £1 a litre.

I prefer to pay the dear prices.

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Colin Wilson"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
>> > I can't tell which, but you seem to have a huge chip on
>> > your shoulder. The world doesn't owe you a living. If
>> > someone goes out and works hard to earn £1million a
>> > year then good for them. All the scroungers and lazy
>> > people will complain as that's all they know.
>>
>> Very few people earning £1M do it off their own backs.
>
> A correction is called for here. Nobody *earns* £1M - they may *get paid*
> £1M but they sure as hell don't *earn* it.



what about a footballer who generates 20 million worth of revenue for his
team that it would otherwise not receive?



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

"the dog from that film you saw"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

[snip]

> > A correction is called for here. Nobody *earns* £1M -
> > they may *get paid* £1M but they sure as hell don't
> > *earn* it.
>
> what about a footballer who generates 20 million worth of
> revenue for his team that it would otherwise not receive?

He still doesn't *earn* that kind of money. Football is a good example of
marketing that has spiralled totally out of control. Why is a footballer
so special..? What does he do that (say) a vet or even a roadsweeper
doesn't..? Which is of more use at the end of the day..?

I say again, nobody *earns* the ridiculous amounts of money that some get
paid. Nobody is worth that much, nobody. If they can get it, I don't blame
them for *taking* it, but they aren't *worth* it.


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "the dog from that film you saw"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>
> [snip]
>
>> > A correction is called for here. Nobody *earns* £1M -
>> > they may *get paid* £1M but they sure as hell don't
>> > *earn* it.
>>
>> what about a footballer who generates 20 million worth of
>> revenue for his team that it would otherwise not receive?
>
> He still doesn't *earn* that kind of money. Football is a good example of
> marketing that has spiralled totally out of control. Why is a footballer
> so special..? What does he do that (say) a vet or even a roadsweeper
> doesn't..? Which is of more use at the end of the day..?



it's a case of bringing the money in.
if there was a roadsweeper so great that the council saved 5 million of
their annual budget i'm sure they would pay him a million - if he could
prove it.


--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/