Seek redirect to mobile without announcement

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Graham." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> [snip]
>
>>> I use Sipgate to do a similar thing for personal use,
>>> but I can understand why the OP would want the service
>>> to be self-financing (ie. the customer pays).
>
> IMHO it all depends on how much he wants people to call him. This is
> why I am in favour of the US system of mobile charging, where mobiles
> have a normal number and the person receiving the call pays the
> additional costs involved in going mobile. Their argument goes
> something like "you choose to go mobile, why should I pay extra to
> call you..?" whereas the way of thinking here tends to be "why should
> I pay to receive a call..?" Each has its pros and cons, which is why
> I'd like to see the US system available here at least as an option.
>
>>> What I find unsporting of him is that he apparently
>>> does not want
>>> his customers to know they are paying a premium.
>
> If you follow my solutions, they wouldn't have to.
>
> Ivor


It's the way of thinking in most of the world, with only a few countries
following the US route.

Thankfully the UK follows the route it has.

Though if a few people want the US system, then they could have the choice,
I just don't want the poor US system forced on us all.


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In article <[email protected]>,
{{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> scribeth thus
>tony sayer wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>> Owain wrote:
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>> But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm
>>>>> when you are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm bells
>>>>> should start to ring, surely..?
>>>>
>>>> I assume mobile numbers cost more than 20ppm anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Owain
>>>
>>> No, not usually.
>>>
>>> Via 18185. UK mobiles are 3p/min weekends, 6p/min weekdays.
>>> Primus offer Penny mobile, up to 20 mins for 20p.
>>> TalkTalk 12p/min peak, 7p/min off-peak.
>>>
>>> OK if you have a VirginMedia phone line, then yes you will be
>>> fleeced for calling mobiles.
>>>
>>
>> Not strictly true .. depends on what deal you haggle with them;!...
>
>Even if you can get their call mobile package free, their costs for calling
>mobiles are a rip off.
>
>Unless you can haggle down the price of one of their 200. 400, 800 minute
>packages, and you need to do some serious haggling to get them cost
>effective.
>
>I have only recently come back to cable for phone line after dumping them 6+
>years ago when they became the dearest provider, only because they offered
>free install (had moved since last had cable phone) free line rental, free
>caller display and free eve and weekend package. They are still the dearest
>provider, unless you can get the service for free or a couple of pounds and
>don't call certain numbers like mobiles.
>
>

Ah!, If its domestic perhaps, but we're a business user!...
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[snip]

>> I pay to receive a call..?" Each has its pros and cons, which is why
>> I'd like to see the US system available here at least as an option.

[snip]

>Though if a few people want the US system, then they could have the choice,
>I just don't want the poor US system forced on us all.

One does have the choice, at least with Orange. They will provide a geographic
number routing direct to your mobile, and you pay the inbound cost. They first
launched this years ago, I'm surprised Ivor hasn't already got one.

Linus


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tony sayer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> scribeth thus
>> tony sayer wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>>> Owain wrote:
>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>> But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm
>>>>>> when you are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm
>>>>>> bells should start to ring, surely..?
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume mobile numbers cost more than 20ppm anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owain
>>>>
>>>> No, not usually.
>>>>
>>>> Via 18185. UK mobiles are 3p/min weekends, 6p/min weekdays.
>>>> Primus offer Penny mobile, up to 20 mins for 20p.
>>>> TalkTalk 12p/min peak, 7p/min off-peak.
>>>>
>>>> OK if you have a VirginMedia phone line, then yes you will be
>>>> fleeced for calling mobiles.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not strictly true .. depends on what deal you haggle with them;!...
>>
>> Even if you can get their call mobile package free, their costs for
>> calling mobiles are a rip off.
>>
>> Unless you can haggle down the price of one of their 200. 400, 800
>> minute packages, and you need to do some serious haggling to get
>> them cost effective.
>>
>> I have only recently come back to cable for phone line after dumping
>> them 6+ years ago when they became the dearest provider, only
>> because they offered free install (had moved since last had cable
>> phone) free line rental, free caller display and free eve and
>> weekend package. They are still the dearest provider, unless you
>> can get the service for free or a couple of pounds and don't call
>> certain numbers like mobiles.
>>
>>
>
> Ah!, If its domestic perhaps, but we're a business user!...


Yeah, as a business you do get a much better deal.

Linus Surguy wrote:
> [snip]
>
>>> I pay to receive a call..?" Each has its pros and cons, which is why
>>> I'd like to see the US system available here at least as an option.
>
> [snip]
>
>> Though if a few people want the US system, then they could have the
>> choice, I just don't want the poor US system forced on us all.
>
> One does have the choice, at least with Orange. They will provide a
> geographic number routing direct to your mobile, and you pay the
> inbound cost. They first launched this years ago, I'm surprised Ivor
> hasn't already got one.
>
> Linus


Yes, I remember that too. Incoming charges were quite high through.


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On Wed 24 Oct 2007 20:58:30, Andrew Gabriel
<[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> writes:
>> [...]
>
> A friend who used one for a few years has noticed many company
> PBX's seem to have been configured recently to block the number
> range and people can't use it to call him anymore. I guess
> companies have started noticing the cost on their bills, and/or
> their use in recent scams.
>

I have had companies who can't call me back because of this.

On Thu 25 Oct 2007 12:22:25, Linus Surguy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> One does have the choice, at least with Orange. They will provide a
> geographic number routing direct to your mobile, and you pay the
> inbound cost. They first launched this years ago, I'm surprised
> Ivor hasn't already got one.
>
> Linus
>

I use Orange.

If I get a call to Orange handset A and I want to divert it to Orange
handset B then what is the charge?


Does it depend on what tariff handset A is on? In my case it's the old
OVP-Virgin.

On 25 Oct, 12:22, [email protected] (Linus Surguy) wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >> I pay to receive a call..?" Each has its pros and cons, which is why
> >> I'd like to see the US system available here at least as an option.
>
> [snip]
>
> >Though if a few people want the US system, then they could have the choice,
> >I just don't want the poor US system forced on us all.
>
> One does have the choice, at least with Orange. They will provide a geographic
> number routing direct to your mobile, and you pay the inbound cost. They first
> launched this years ago, I'm surprised Ivor hasn't already got one.
>
> Linus

Or it's quite possible for anyone to set up such forwarding for
themselves, on a range of VoIP provider, or indeed even a BT landline

On 2007-10-25, {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> It's the way of thinking in most of the world, with only a few countries
> following the US route.

If you count countries it might be relatively few, but if you count
people who actually own phones then about a third of them are charged
the US way for mobile service. This is mostly because China
mobile service is charged that way too.

Dennis Ferguson

"Linus Surguy" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]
: : [snip]
: :
: : : : I pay to receive a call..?" Each has its pros and
: : : : cons, which is why I'd like to see the US system
: : : : available here at least as an option.
: :
: : [snip]
: :
: : : Though if a few people want the US system, then they
: : : could have the choice, I just don't want the poor US
: : : system forced on us all.

Depends on your viewpoint. I don't consider it "poor" nor do an awful lot
of Americans. Ask them whether they want the UK system..!

: : One does have the choice, at least with Orange. They
: : will provide a geographic number routing direct to your
: : mobile, and you pay the inbound cost. They first
: : launched this years ago, I'm surprised Ivor hasn't
: : already got one.

I have a Sipgate number on permanent divert, now that they have call
forwarding. The Orange system is way over-priced.

The advantage of the US method is that incoming call costs are taken from
any inclusive minutes/PAYG credit, which is not true under any method of
doing it in the UK. Their price plans are also far more generous than ours
so in most cases the cost of incoming calls is insignificant as you get so
many minutes that using a few of them for incoming calls doesn't matter.

Ivor

Lemmo. wrote:
> On Wed 24 Oct 2007 20:58:30, Andrew Gabriel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> [...]
>> A friend who used one for a few years has noticed many company
>> PBX's seem to have been configured recently to block the number
>> range and people can't use it to call him anymore. I guess
>> companies have started noticing the cost on their bills, and/or
>> their use in recent scams.
>>
>
> I have had companies who can't call me back because of this.

When Flextel first started(?) I used to give mine out all the time as my
'mobile' number, as it was only slightly more expensive to call than a
mobile, and there were hardly any inclusive minute deals back then for
mobile calls, so TBH it was barely noticeable for the caller. Also, it
was a right PITA to keep your number if you changed network (was it even
possible to do??), so it was a simple way of not losing your number.

Since then the gulf between calling a Flextel number and a normal mobile
tarrif has been ever-widening, and more and more hard to justify, and
once I too started having problems with incoming calls being rejected, I
dumped it completely. Notably, I discovered to my cost that it wouldn't
divert to my UK mobile when I was roaming overseas; and IIRC some
overseas callers couldn't dial me?

The (unsurprising) news that they've been compelled to play a recorded
message would have been the final nail in their coffin as far as I'm
concerned... I can't imagine why anybody would ever use them any more.

David