Seek redirect to mobile without announcement

Can I get a free 07xxx number to reroute to a mobile and which does not
have an announcement saying it is "redirect" number?

I used to ask clients who I don't already know to ring my Flextel 07xxx
number. It's just in case they turn out to be vexatious and make lots
of calls, send late-night SMS texts or pass my number on.

Where can I get 07xx numbers which don't announce that they're just a
redirect number?



(I can't carry a second mobile to carry around.)

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"Lemmo." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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: : Can I get a free 07xxx number to reroute to a mobile
: : and which does not have an announcement saying it is
: : "redirect" number?
: :
: : I used to ask clients who I don't already know to ring
: : my Flextel 07xxx number. It's just in case they turn
: : out to be vexatious and make lots of calls, send
: : late-night SMS texts or pass my number on.
: :
: : Where can I get 07xx numbers which don't announce that
: : they're just a redirect number?
: :
: : (I can't carry a second mobile to carry around.)

I don't like Flextel and similar numbers, they cost more than normal
mobile numbers.

There is a way of doing it that will allow your callers to dial a normal
geographic landline-type number. You will have to pay the cost of the
diversion, of course, but as you're the one who chooses to go mobile,
that's only fair.

Get a free VoIP number from www.sipgate.co.uk for any area code of your
choice and set it up to redirect to your mobile number. You don't even
need any VoIP equipment if you leave it forwarded to your mobile, you will
be charged 9.9p/min.


Ivor

Graham. wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lemmo. wrote:
>>> Can I get a free 07xxx number to reroute to a mobile and which does not
>>> have an announcement saying it is "redirect" number?
>>>
>>> I used to ask clients who I don't already know to ring my Flextel 07xxx
>>> number. It's just in case they turn out to be vexatious and make lots of
>>> calls, send late-night SMS texts or pass my number on.
>>>
>>> Where can I get 07xx numbers which don't announce that they're just a
>>> redirect number?
>> It is difficult to advise on this. The recent Ofcom change requires that
>> originating operators play a free advisory message before connecting any
>> calls where the cost of the call is more than 20ppm or 20ppc, however I
>> believe that some operators are playing this message for all numbers
>> starting 070 (presumably because it is easier than playing it conditional
>> of the cost of the call).
>>
>> In theory, there are a number of operators who will offer 20ppm or lower
>> "diversion" numbers. Certainly you can get 070 numbers charged as low as
>> 5ppm which should not be subject to the advisory message. Of course, as
>> the cost to the caller decreases the likelyhood of you having to pay the
>> providing telecoms company for the service will increase.
>
> I'm confused. Wouldn't the OP be paying for the diverted leg of
> the call?

It depends.

Example: cost to caller 50ppm
diversion to UK mobile
-> "OP" unlikely to have to pay for this service

Example: cost to caller 5ppm
diversion to UK mobile
-> "OP" likely to have to pay for this service

Example: cost to caller 15ppm
diversion to UK geographic number
-> "OP" unlikely to have to pay for this service

In article <[email protected]>,
"Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> writes:
> I don't like Flextel and similar numbers, they cost more than normal
> mobile numbers.

A friend who used one for a few years has noticed many company
PBX's seem to have been configured recently to block the number
range and people can't use it to call him anymore. I guess
companies have started noticing the cost on their bills, and/or
their use in recent scams.

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"Paul Cupis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Graham. wrote:
>> "Paul Cupis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Lemmo. wrote:
>>>> Can I get a free 07xxx number to reroute to a mobile and which does not
>>>> have an announcement saying it is "redirect" number?
>>>>
>>>> I used to ask clients who I don't already know to ring my Flextel 07xxx
>>>> number. It's just in case they turn out to be vexatious and make lots
>>>> of calls, send late-night SMS texts or pass my number on.
>>>>
>>>> Where can I get 07xx numbers which don't announce that they're just a
>>>> redirect number?
>>> It is difficult to advise on this. The recent Ofcom change requires that
>>> originating operators play a free advisory message before connecting any
>>> calls where the cost of the call is more than 20ppm or 20ppc, however I
>>> believe that some operators are playing this message for all numbers
>>> starting 070 (presumably because it is easier than playing it
>>> conditional of the cost of the call).
>>>
>>> In theory, there are a number of operators who will offer 20ppm or lower
>>> "diversion" numbers. Certainly you can get 070 numbers charged as low as
>>> 5ppm which should not be subject to the advisory message. Of course, as
>>> the cost to the caller decreases the likelyhood of you having to pay the
>>> providing telecoms company for the service will increase.
>>
>> I'm confused. Wouldn't the OP be paying for the diverted leg of
>> the call?
>
> It depends.
>
> Example: cost to caller 50ppm
> diversion to UK mobile
> -> "OP" unlikely to have to pay for this service
>
> Example: cost to caller 5ppm
> diversion to UK mobile
> -> "OP" likely to have to pay for this service
>
> Example: cost to caller 15ppm
> diversion to UK geographic number
> -> "OP" unlikely to have to pay for this service


Please bare with me a little longer, I am still confused.
The OP was asking about not having a message played
about the diversion, not about the charge.
[thinks aloud]
But if these numbers are for the purpose of diverting,
then it amounts to the same thing. I think I see it now.
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> There is a way of doing it that will allow your callers to dial a normal
> geographic landline-type number. You will have to pay the cost of the
> diversion, of course, but as you're the one who chooses to go mobile,
> that's only fair.
>
> Get a free VoIP number from www.sipgate.co.uk for any area code of your
> choice and set it up to redirect to your mobile number. You don't even
> need any VoIP equipment if you leave it forwarded to your mobile, you will
> be charged 9.9p/min.
>
>
> Ivor


I use Sipgate to do a similar thing for personal use, but I can understand
why the OP would want the service to be self-financing (ie. the customer
pays).

What I find unsporting of him is that he apparently does not want
his customers to know they are paying a premium.

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Graham. wrote:
> Please bare with me a little longer, I am still confused.
> The OP was asking about not having a message played
> about the diversion, not about the charge.
> [thinks aloud]
> But if these numbers are for the purpose of diverting,
> then it amounts to the same thing. I think I see it now.

You've got it. The numbers are for this purpose. The announcement is a
new thing which is required where the cost of the call can be more than
20ppc or 20ppm.

Paul Cupis <[email protected]> writes:

> You've got it. The numbers are for this purpose. The announcement is a
> new thing which is required where the cost of the call can be more
> than 20ppc or 20ppm.

But surely the announcement is just required to inform the caller of the
cost of the call. The OP was asking for a divert number which does not
announce that it is diverting - these are completely different things.

"Graham Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
: : Paul Cupis <[email protected]> writes:
: :
: : : You've got it. The numbers are for this purpose. The
: : : announcement is a new thing which is required where
: : : the cost of the call can be more than 20ppc or 20ppm.
: :
: : But surely the announcement is just required to inform
: : the caller of the cost of the call. The OP was asking
: : for a divert number which does not announce that it is
: : diverting - these are completely different things.

But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm when you
are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm bells should start to
ring, surely..?

Ivor

"Graham." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[snip]

: : I use Sipgate to do a similar thing for personal use,
: : but I can understand why the OP would want the service
: : to be self-financing (ie. the customer pays).

IMHO it all depends on how much he wants people to call him. This is why I
am in favour of the US system of mobile charging, where mobiles have a
normal number and the person receiving the call pays the additional costs
involved in going mobile. Their argument goes something like "you choose
to go mobile, why should I pay extra to call you..?" whereas the way of
thinking here tends to be "why should I pay to receive a call..?" Each has
its pros and cons, which is why I'd like to see the US system available
here at least as an option.

: : What I find unsporting of him is that he apparently
: : does not want
: : his customers to know they are paying a premium.

If you follow my solutions, they wouldn't have to.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm when
> you are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm bells should
> start to ring, surely..?

I assume mobile numbers cost more than 20ppm anyway.

Owain

Owain wrote:
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>> But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm
>> when you are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm bells
>> should start to ring, surely..?
>
> I assume mobile numbers cost more than 20ppm anyway.
>
> Owain

No, not usually.

Via 18185. UK mobiles are 3p/min weekends, 6p/min weekdays.
Primus offer Penny mobile, up to 20 mins for 20p.
TalkTalk 12p/min peak, 7p/min off-peak.

OK if you have a VirginMedia phone line, then yes you will be fleeced for
calling mobiles.

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In article <[email protected]>,
{{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> scribeth thus
>Owain wrote:
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>> But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm
>>> when you are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm bells
>>> should start to ring, surely..?
>>
>> I assume mobile numbers cost more than 20ppm anyway.
>>
>> Owain
>
>No, not usually.
>
>Via 18185. UK mobiles are 3p/min weekends, 6p/min weekdays.
>Primus offer Penny mobile, up to 20 mins for 20p.
>TalkTalk 12p/min peak, 7p/min off-peak.
>
>OK if you have a VirginMedia phone line, then yes you will be fleeced for
>calling mobiles.
>

Not strictly true .. depends on what deal you haggle with them;!...

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>
> IMHO it all depends on how much he wants people to call him. This is
> why I am in favour of the US system of mobile charging, where mobiles
> have a normal number and the person receiving the call pays the
> additional costs involved in going mobile. Their argument goes
> something like "you choose to go mobile, why should I pay extra to
> call you..?" whereas the way of thinking here tends to be "why should
> I pay to receive a call..?" Each has its pros and cons, which is why
> I'd like to see the US system available here at least as an option.
>
The trouble with the US system is that you can finish up paying for
junk(sales/prank) calls and even wrong numbers which you did not choose to
receive. If the caller has to pay for the call then at least they can make a
decision NOT to call that number, and take their business elsewhere (say to
someone that provides a landline).
The 'British' system makes it a lot more difficult for someone to get
charged for something they didn't want.

Making it an option would seem like a good idea though, at least then you
could offer your (potential) customers a cheaper way of contacting you even
if you were mobile. This could lead to more business, but the downside is
that you will probably finish up paying for some stuff that you don't want
(the price you pay for the potential increace in business).


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tony sayer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> scribeth thus
>> Owain wrote:
>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>> But if you get a message saying your call will be more than 20ppm
>>>> when you are calling what you think is a mobile number, alarm bells
>>>> should start to ring, surely..?
>>>
>>> I assume mobile numbers cost more than 20ppm anyway.
>>>
>>> Owain
>>
>> No, not usually.
>>
>> Via 18185. UK mobiles are 3p/min weekends, 6p/min weekdays.
>> Primus offer Penny mobile, up to 20 mins for 20p.
>> TalkTalk 12p/min peak, 7p/min off-peak.
>>
>> OK if you have a VirginMedia phone line, then yes you will be
>> fleeced for calling mobiles.
>>
>
> Not strictly true .. depends on what deal you haggle with them;!...

Even if you can get their call mobile package free, their costs for calling
mobiles are a rip off.

Unless you can haggle down the price of one of their 200. 400, 800 minute
packages, and you need to do some serious haggling to get them cost
effective.

I have only recently come back to cable for phone line after dumping them 6+
years ago when they became the dearest provider, only because they offered
free install (had moved since last had cable phone) free line rental, free
caller display and free eve and weekend package. They are still the dearest
provider, unless you can get the service for free or a couple of pounds and
don't call certain numbers like mobiles.


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