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  1. #61
    dennis@home
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts



    "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:38:53 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>"dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>message news:[email protected]
    >>: : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>: : news:[email protected]...
    >>: : : "Dave Higton" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>: : : message news:[email protected] : :
    >>: : : In message <[email protected]>
    >>: : : : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]>
    >>: : : : : wrote:
    >>: : :
    >>: : : [snip]
    >>: : :
    >>: : : : : : That still doesn't explain why it's illegal if
    >>: : : : : : it
    >>: : : : : : isn't dangerous. Still waiting for an answer on
    >>: : : : : : that
    >>: : : : : : one. : : : : Danger isn't the only reason to
    >>: : : : : : make something illegal.
    >>: : : : : For example, it's illegal to make noise at night
    >>: : : : : that would be legal during daytime. The reason is
    >>: : : : : consideration for others.
    >>: : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    >>: :
    >>: : An accident or not as with *all* crashes.
    >>
    >>So I'll crash at 31mph but not at 30..? Hmm.

    >
    > Unlikely, but if you're going to impose speed limits you have to draw
    > the line somewhere.
    >
    > The problem is that too many people are so lacking in driving skills
    > that they need fixed rules like to be enforced to protect others from
    > them. On any given stretch of road, you can't say that one particular
    > fixed speed limit is always appropriate. Depending on a variety of
    > factors such as weather conditions, proximity to pedestrians, time of
    > day, visibility, road surface conditions etc. the maximum safe speed
    > will vary enormously even over just a few yards. Unfortunately,
    > because so many idiots fail to recognise that they're driving too fast
    > in dangerous conditions we need to impose lower limits for everyone.


    It doesn't help that you have the idiots here that will ignore the limit
    anyway as "they" are better drivers than everyone else so can speed safely.
    This makes it impossible to set a 30 mph limit and expect people to stick to
    it as these "perrrrfect" drivers will always exceed it. So what's the
    alternative.. speed bumps, cameras and 20 mph limits. Then the same
    "perfect" drivers complain that they don't need the cameras, limits and
    calming measures when they are the reason they are there. They don't
    understand that they are the problem in the first place. They will also
    result in the limiters being fitted in cars when the technology is there to
    enforce limits on a per road basis and they will complain about that too,
    idiots they are.




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  2. #62
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

    : : : : : : What difference does 1mph make..?

    : : : : : : : An accident or not as with *all* crashes.
    : : :
    : : : So I'll crash at 31mph but not at 30..? Hmm.
    : :
    : : Its obviously true under some circumstances.. do you
    : : have a problem with that?

    If I must *always* keep to the 30 limit, then yes. If it's *safe* to go
    faster, I'd rather like to.

    Ivor




  3. #63
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    : : Ivor Jones wrote:

    [snip]

    : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    : : :
    : : : Ivor
    : : :
    : : The difference between breaking the law, and not
    : : breaking the law. That might sound petty, but what
    : : happens when you set the speed limit at
    : : 93.7865343 miles per hour. Well, when you travel at
    : : 93.7865342 miles per hour you are within the law and
    : : when you travel at 93.7865345 miles per hour you are
    : : not. The difference between the two will make
    : : absolutely no difference in an accident or when you run
    : : over that child that dashed out in front of you, but
    : : the imit has to be set somewhere, and it has to be an
    : : arbitrary position, because there is no other way to
    : : enforce it.

    Clue - variable speed limits.

    Ivor




  4. #64
    Simon
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    Ivor Jones wrote:
    > "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] : : Ivor Jones wrote:
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    > : : : : : : Ivor
    > : : : : : The difference between breaking the law, and not
    > : : breaking the law. That might sound petty, but what
    > : : happens when you set the speed limit at : : 93.7865343 miles per
    > hour. Well, when you travel at
    > : : 93.7865342 miles per hour you are within the law and
    > : : when you travel at 93.7865345 miles per hour you are
    > : : not. The difference between the two will make
    > : : absolutely no difference in an accident or when you run
    > : : over that child that dashed out in front of you, but
    > : : the imit has to be set somewhere, and it has to be an
    > : : arbitrary position, because there is no other way to
    > : : enforce it.
    > Clue - variable speed limits.
    >
    > Ivor
    >

    Obviously, yu dont have one do you. The term variable speed limits does
    not mean YOU have a choice, it means that the Traffic Authority has the
    ability to vary the limit. If they select 40mph and and you do 45 you
    are still stuffed.




  5. #65
    dennis@home
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts



    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    > : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : : news:[email protected]...
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > : : : : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    >
    > : : : : : : : An accident or not as with *all* crashes.
    > : : :
    > : : : So I'll crash at 31mph but not at 30..? Hmm.
    > : :
    > : : Its obviously true under some circumstances.. do you
    > : : have a problem with that?
    >
    > If I must *always* keep to the 30 limit, then yes. If it's *safe* to go
    > faster, I'd rather like to.


    Again!.. Safety is not the only consideration.
    Maybe they should re-house you next to the M6 so you can appreciate the
    reason why traffic should driver slower at night as you obviously don't
    care.




  6. #66
    dennis@home
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts



    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] : : Ivor Jones wrote:
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    > : : : : : : Ivor
    > : : : : : The difference between breaking the law, and not
    > : : breaking the law. That might sound petty, but what
    > : : happens when you set the speed limit at : : 93.7865343 miles per hour.
    > Well, when you travel at
    > : : 93.7865342 miles per hour you are within the law and
    > : : when you travel at 93.7865345 miles per hour you are
    > : : not. The difference between the two will make
    > : : absolutely no difference in an accident or when you run
    > : : over that child that dashed out in front of you, but
    > : : the imit has to be set somewhere, and it has to be an
    > : : arbitrary position, because there is no other way to
    > : : enforce it.
    > Clue - variable speed limits.


    Clue if you exceed the variable limit you are speeding, just as if you
    exceed the fixed one. Some of you will still think you are better than
    everyone else and exceed the variable limit.

    And yes I think lowering the speed limits at night to make things quieter
    would be a good idea.
    I am glad you agree.




  7. #67
    dennis@home
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts



    "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Ivor Jones wrote:
    >> "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] : : Ivor Jones wrote:
    >>
    >> [snip]
    >>
    >> : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    >> : : : : : : Ivor
    >> : : : : : The difference between breaking the law, and not
    >> : : breaking the law. That might sound petty, but what
    >> : : happens when you set the speed limit at : : 93.7865343 miles per
    >> hour. Well, when you travel at
    >> : : 93.7865342 miles per hour you are within the law and
    >> : : when you travel at 93.7865345 miles per hour you are
    >> : : not. The difference between the two will make
    >> : : absolutely no difference in an accident or when you run
    >> : : over that child that dashed out in front of you, but
    >> : : the imit has to be set somewhere, and it has to be an
    >> : : arbitrary position, because there is no other way to
    >> : : enforce it. Clue - variable speed limits.
    >>
    >> Ivor
    >>

    > Obviously, yu dont have one do you. The term variable speed limits does
    > not mean YOU have a choice, it means that the Traffic Authority has the
    > ability to vary the limit. If they select 40mph and and you do 45 you are
    > still stuffed.
    >


    He wouldn't like the M42 where there can be different mandatory speed limits
    in different lanes.
    All are usually set lower than 70 which is just as well as the drivers get
    confused by the speed limits and keep changing lane abruptly.
    I wonder if he would like a lower speed limit in exchange for more lanes
    like the M6?
    I know most drivers do as the capacity goes up with extra lanes and goes
    down with increased speed.




  8. #68
    Simon
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    dennis@home wrote:
    >
    >
    > "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Ivor Jones wrote:
    >>> "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected] : : Ivor Jones wrote:
    >>>
    >>> [snip]
    >>>
    >>> : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    >>> : : : : : : Ivor
    >>> : : : : : The difference between breaking the law, and not
    >>> : : breaking the law. That might sound petty, but what
    >>> : : happens when you set the speed limit at : : 93.7865343 miles per
    >>> hour. Well, when you travel at
    >>> : : 93.7865342 miles per hour you are within the law and
    >>> : : when you travel at 93.7865345 miles per hour you are
    >>> : : not. The difference between the two will make
    >>> : : absolutely no difference in an accident or when you run
    >>> : : over that child that dashed out in front of you, but
    >>> : : the imit has to be set somewhere, and it has to be an
    >>> : : arbitrary position, because there is no other way to
    >>> : : enforce it. Clue - variable speed limits.
    >>>
    >>> Ivor
    >>>

    >> Obviously, yu dont have one do you. The term variable speed limits
    >> does not mean YOU have a choice, it means that the Traffic Authority
    >> has the ability to vary the limit. If they select 40mph and and you do
    >> 45 you are still stuffed.
    >>

    >
    > He wouldn't like the M42 where there can be different mandatory speed
    > limits in different lanes.
    > All are usually set lower than 70 which is just as well as the drivers
    > get confused by the speed limits and keep changing lane abruptly.
    > I wonder if he would like a lower speed limit in exchange for more lanes
    > like the M6?
    > I know most drivers do as the capacity goes up with extra lanes and goes
    > down with increased speed.


    Its the M25 that makes me laugh, leave it at 70 and the motorway grinds
    to a halt after some one panic brakes. you end up sitting in a 10 mile
    tailback with no apparent reason for the stoppage. So at busy periods,
    they lower the speed limit and the traffic flow speeds up and every one
    gets where they are going.

    However, Ivor is probably like the idiot who drove around the M25 in 1
    hour 20 minutes having set up a camcorder to the Dash of his Porshe
    Carrera to film the whole thing. Then sells the DVD on the internet and
    is surprised when instead of chasing him, the Police buy the DVD and
    used it to prosecute him as he had the Speedo in shot.


    Simon



  9. #69
    The Natural Philosopher
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    Ivor Jones wrote:
    > "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    > : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : : news:[email protected]...
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > : : : : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    >
    > : : : : : : : An accident or not as with *all* crashes.
    > : : :
    > : : : So I'll crash at 31mph but not at 30..? Hmm.
    > : :
    > : : Its obviously true under some circumstances.. do you
    > : : have a problem with that?
    >
    > If I must *always* keep to the 30 limit, then yes. If it's *safe* to go
    > faster, I'd rather like to.
    >
    > Ivor
    >

    The point is he driving is never 'safe'.

    Its just more or less safe depnding on many many things.

    Of which the speed is the easiest to measure and therer create a
    'technical' offence, an probably the least relevant to safety, in
    absolute terms.

    The rationale for speed limits is more or less then 'we can't bust you
    for being a total nutter, driving without looking where you are going,
    failing to signal, tailgating, appalling lane discipline, inability to
    read road signs, so we will keep you at a speed such that when you have
    the inevitable accident, you probably wont kill or be killed'

    Its te same with mobile phones..one picture of you with an Iphone
    clamped to the lughole, and its an easy conviction.

    Its all about easy convictions, not really road safety at all.



  10. #70
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts



    "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]
    : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : : news:[email protected]...
    : : : "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
    : : : message news:[email protected]
    : : : : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in
    : : : : : message news:[email protected]...
    : : :
    : : : [snip]
    : : :
    : : : : : : : : : What difference does 1mph make..?
    : : :
    : : : : : : : : : : An accident or not as with *all*
    : : : : : : : : : : crashes.
    : : : : : :
    : : : : : : So I'll crash at 31mph but not at 30..? Hmm.
    : : : : :
    : : : : : Its obviously true under some circumstances.. do
    : : : : : you have a problem with that?
    : : :
    : : : If I must *always* keep to the 30 limit, then yes. If
    : : : it's *safe* to go faster, I'd rather like to.
    : :
    : : Again!.. Safety is not the only consideration.
    : : Maybe they should re-house you next to the M6 so you
    : : can appreciate the reason why traffic should driver
    : : slower at night as you obviously don't care.

    I probably live a lot closer to the M6 than you do. Although it is
    irrelevant for the point being made.

    Ivor




  11. #71
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    : : "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : : news:[email protected]...

    [snip]

    : : : Obviously, yu dont have one do you. The term variable
    : : : speed limits does not mean YOU have a choice, it
    : : : means that the Traffic Authority has the ability to
    : : : vary the limit. If they select 40mph and and you do
    : : : 45 you are still stuffed.
    : : :
    : :
    : : He wouldn't like the M42 where there can be different
    : : mandatory speed limits in different lanes.

    I live about half a mile from the M42.

    Next question..?

    Ivor





  12. #72
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    : : dennis@home wrote:

    [snip]

    : : However, Ivor is probably like the idiot who drove
    : : around the M25 in 1 hour 20 minutes having set up a
    : : camcorder to the Dash of his Porshe Carrera to film the
    : : whole thing. Then sells the DVD on the internet and is
    : : surprised when instead of chasing him, the Police buy
    : : the DVD and used it to prosecute him as he had the
    : : Speedo in shot.

    You obviously know so little about me.

    Ivor




  13. #73
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    "dennis@home" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    : : "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : : news:[email protected]...

    [snip]

    : : : Clue - variable speed limits.
    : :
    : : Clue if you exceed the variable limit you are speeding,
    : : just as if you exceed the fixed one. Some of you will
    : : still think you are better than everyone else and
    : : exceed the variable limit.

    I know, but at least the possibility of variance would exist.

    : : And yes I think lowering the speed limits at night to
    : : make things quieter would be a good idea.
    : : I am glad you agree.

    Again, conditions vary. Although exceeding the speed limit by 1mph would
    be unlikely to wake you at night.

    Although I must remember to remove my silencer next time I pass your house
    at 4am.

    Idiot.

    Ivor




  14. #74
    Simon
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

    Ivor Jones wrote:
    > "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] : : dennis@home wrote:
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > : : However, Ivor is probably like the idiot who drove
    > : : around the M25 in 1 hour 20 minutes having set up a
    > : : camcorder to the Dash of his Porshe Carrera to film the
    > : : whole thing. Then sells the DVD on the internet and is
    > : : surprised when instead of chasing him, the Police buy
    > : : the DVD and used it to prosecute him as he had the
    > : : Speedo in shot.
    > You obviously know so little about me.
    >
    > Ivor
    >

    So you would sell the DVD and still be surprised and winge about it on
    inappropriate Newsgroups



  15. #75
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts



    "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    : : Ivor Jones wrote:
    : : : "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : : : news:[email protected] : :
    : : : dennis@home wrote:
    : : :
    : : : [snip]
    : : :
    : : : : : However, Ivor is probably like the idiot who drove
    : : : : : around the M25 in 1 hour 20 minutes having set up
    : : : : : a camcorder to the Dash of his Porshe Carrera to
    : : : : : film the whole thing. Then sells the DVD on the
    : : : : : internet and is surprised when instead of chasing
    : : : : : him, the Police buy the DVD and used it to
    : : : : : prosecute him as he had the Speedo in shot.
    : : : You obviously know so little about me.
    : : :
    : : : Ivor
    : : :
    : : So you would sell the DVD and still be surprised and
    : : winge about it on inappropriate Newsgroups

    Well I wouldn't do something so idiotic in the first place but if I did I
    wouldn't publicise it. I admit to being stupid on occasion but I'm not a
    total fool.

    In any case, I can't afford a Porsche..!


    Ivor








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