Is iPhone unlocking ethical ; Battery replacement after One year

Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
them? (legally? ethically?)

Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

I live in England.
Thx.

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On 2008-03-03 14:47:27 +0000, [email protected] said:

> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

Apple aren't relying on revenue share, they're just being greedy and
capitalising on consumers' appetite for the product. I sincerely doubt
they make a loss on the sale of the handset, if they did, I'd imagine
they'd make more of an effort against unlocking, and probably wouldn't
let you leave the store without activating.

As for the ethical side of it, even if Apple did make a loss on the
handset sale, it's their decision to let you walk out of the shop with
the phone without activating it. Your obligation to Apple ends when the
sale completes. Once you've bought the phone, it's your property, and
you can do whatever you want with it, activate it, unlock it, throw it
under a bus, it's up to you.

> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

I doubt they'll care; you're paying for the battery replacement, not
looking to do it under warranty or anything. If you're concerned, just
stick a Pay as You Go O2 SIM in there before taking it in.

On 2008-03-03 15:28:11 +0000, Fry <[email protected]> said:

> Apple aren't relying on revenue share, they're just being greedy and
> capitalising on consumers' appetite for the product. I sincerely doubt
> they make a loss on the sale of the handset, if they did, I'd imagine
> they'd make more of an effort against unlocking, and probably wouldn't
> let you leave the store without activating.

Quite, they may be cashing in on possible additional revenue from
network fees but there is no way they are selling the iPhone at a loss.

>> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
>> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
>> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
>> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

Just restore it back to out of the box standard and they will never
know. Once battery is replaced, return home and unlock again.

I'm running mine on T-Mobile because we only recently abandoned O2
after some appaling account managment by them, nothing would persuade
us to return at the moment.

--
Darren Griffin
PocketGPSWorld - www.PocketGPSWorld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums

<[email protected]> wrote:

> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

What has ethics got to do with it?

Jan

> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

I like to think of it this way:

Given the amount of "waste" hardware (such as routers for computers)
that are locked to a specific provider, how unethical is it for them
to continue doing so given the amount of unnecessary waste it will
eventually result in.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)

What they do with the network is their business.

They sold you the phone, you paid good money for it, and it is your
property. As long as you don't tamper with the IMEI (specific offence) then
there is not a lot Apple can do, and as regards ethics it is Apple* who need
a lesson in that so **** 'em.


>
> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.

Whover unlocked it can surely change the battery, but of course it is
another part of the scam to get you to pay loads of money to Apple.

>
> I live in England.
> Thx.
>

3 do naughty things too (like gluing in SIMs), but at least they have a 3G
network to support.




* late 1970's Apple Corp (the Beatles) sue Apple Inc for trading on their
name. At the time this looked feasible because the hobby PC company was
still quite small and the Beatles were still selling loads of records.
Settled in that Apple Inc. agree not to operate in the music market.

Early 90's. by now Apple Inc is much bigger, but gets sued again for
breaching the earlier agreement. IIRC Apple Inc paid damages and definitely
again agreed not to operate in the music market.

Recently. Apple Inc. starts selling IPods and sets up iTunes music sales
operation and gets sued yet again by Apple Corp. By this time two Beatles
are dead and Apple Inc. is now much bigger than Apple Corp, so in the end
they cut a deal rather than slog it out up to the House of Lords.

so ask yourself - what is Apple Inc's word worth?

On Mar 3, 7:35*pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> > them? (legally? ethically?)
>
> What has ethics got to do with it?
>
> Jan

Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D. In many ways, this is
similar to stealing.

On Mar 3, 2:47 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> them? (legally? ethically?)
>
> Also, if I use Vodafone I can use it happily for 12 months. When I
> need battery to replacement what will Apple say? Will they refuse to
> do it because I have broken the warranty by unlocking it? Surely they
> can tell when I take it to the Genius Bar.
>
> I live in England.
> Thx.

What you do with your property that you paid money for is your
business, not the manufacturer's. They can withdraw warranty support
if you take it apart or modify it of course and that's fair enough but
if you're prepared to live with that then taking your iPhone apart or
jailbreaking it is your right.

On Mar 4, 10:16 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 3, 7:35 pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> > > them? (legally? ethically?)
>
> > What has ethics got to do with it?
>
> > Jan
>
> Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D. In many ways, this is
> similar to stealing.

I feel to see how. Apple get your money when you pay for the device.

[email protected] wrote:

> On Mar 3, 7:35Â*pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
>> > them? (legally? ethically?)
>>
>> What has ethics got to do with it?
>>
>> Jan
>
> Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D.

TROLL alert!

This is x-posted to a Mac user forum with the intention to start a flamewar.

> In many ways, this is
> similar to stealing.

In many ways you are similar to a troll.

--
Nigel Wade,

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 3, 7:35 pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it wrong to deprive
> > them? (legally? ethically?)
>
> What has ethics got to do with it?
>
> Jan

Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D. In many ways, this is
similar to stealing.

Really - why is the phone so behind technically then?

For instance the last handheld phone I had where you couldn't change the
batteries I bought in 1986 and it [really] is in the Science and Industry
Museum here in Manchester...

On 2008-03-04 14:35:05 +0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
<[email protected]> said:

> For instance the last handheld phone I had where you couldn't change the
> batteries I bought in 1986 and it [really] is in the Science and Industry
> Museum here in Manchester...

Much has been made of this lack of a user replacable battery. But of
all the phones I have owned I have never replaced the battery in any of
them. The only time I have ever gone near the battery is to force a
restart.

--
Darren Griffin
PocketGPSWorld - www.PocketGPSWorld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums

In message 2008030415102727544-darren@pocketgpsworldcom,
Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com <[email protected]> Proclaimed
from the tallest tower:

> On 2008-03-04 14:35:05 +0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> <[email protected]> said:
>
>> For instance the last handheld phone I had where you couldn't change
>> the batteries I bought in 1986 and it [really] is in the Science and
>> Industry Museum here in Manchester...
>
> Much has been made of this lack of a user replacable battery. But of
> all the phones I have owned I have never replaced the battery in any
> of them. The only time I have ever gone near the battery is to force
> a restart.

I had a spare battery for my last phone (Nokia 6230). After a few years, the
old one was starting to lose charge a little, but more than that, when I was
away and nowhere near a power socket (camping and festivals) having a spare
charged-up battery that I could swap over too was extremly useful.

Just as a matter of interest, have Apple ever given a reason why the battery
can't be replaced (easily)?

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Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:10b36a51-46b5-494b-82b5-81627e6fd502@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
: On Mar 3, 7:35 pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder)
: wrote:
: : <[email protected]> wrote:
: : : Apple are relying on Revenue Share for income. Is it
: : : wrong to deprive them? (legally? ethically?)
: :
: : What has ethics got to do with it?
: :
: : Jan
:
: Apple have invested vast sums of money in R&D. In many
: ways, this is similar to stealing.

Vast sums of *whose* money..? (Think about it...)

Ivor

Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2008-03-04 14:35:05 +0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> <[email protected]> said:
>
> > For instance the last handheld phone I had where you couldn't change the
> > batteries I bought in 1986 and it [really] is in the Science and Industry
> > Museum here in Manchester...
>
> Much has been made of this lack of a user replacable battery. But of
> all the phones I have owned I have never replaced the battery in any of
> them. The only time I have ever gone near the battery is to force a
> restart.

Same here. I have had loads of phones and not replaced the battery on
any of them.


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Woody

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