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  1. #16
    andy
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    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?

    On 24 Apr, 09:17, "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    > > Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
    > > as little as 3 months is enough.
    > > Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months

    >
    > Where *is* it you get this 3 month cut off from?
    >
    > I'm sure we've had this conversation before (or maybe with someone
    > else on here), the Vodafone T&C's do NOT state they cut you off after
    > 3 months. It's 6 months (or 180 days to be pedantic).
    >
    > http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatc.../vodafone/wrp?...
    >
    > --
    > Andy


    Who cares what it says?

    It's what they actually do that counts

    People are asking advice about which SIM to have as a spare with low
    use, and I'd put Vodafone 6th out of 6 of the main networks plus
    Virgin

    On other networks, sufficient activity to keep the SIM valid can be
    just an incoming call; maybe even a text is enough, but I haven't
    checked that.

    Vodafone don't tolerate that and expect chargeable events. And they
    may disconnect it even if there is.

    They disconnected mine, and after the first CS person was blunt and
    actually abusive and hung up the phone, I called back and succeeded in
    getting a manager to switch the SIM on again, after she agreed I'd
    used the phone. But she couldn't clarify whether I'd be back on the
    old tariff which no longer existed (off-peak calls 5p/min had gone to
    10p); nobody else could answer this on 2 subsequent calls. At this
    point you must top up fairly soon (maybe 30, maybe 90 days) or they
    will dump it again. Well, that's what they say but mine was gone again
    in less than 3 weeks. I managed to get it switched on again, but on
    the third wrongful disconnection I gave up.

    For people who want the SIM to stay alive longest with low activity,
    I'd suggest 3 or Virgin. But most will stay alive with just incoming
    calls, like 2 Orange I have from ex-contract which have never been
    topped up and are over 3 years old. One was lost and the number
    transferred to a new SIM which then got disconnected after about 4
    months, but was switched on again within 5 minutes when I rang up to
    enquire about it



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  2. #17
    andy
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    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?

    On 24 Apr, 09:17, "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    > > Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
    > > as little as 3 months is enough.
    > > Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months

    >
    > Where *is* it you get this 3 month cut off from?
    >
    > I'm sure we've had this conversation before (or maybe with someone
    > else on here), the Vodafone T&C's do NOT state they cut you off after
    > 3 months. It's 6 months (or 180 days to be pedantic).
    >
    > http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatc.../vodafone/wrp?...
    >
    > --
    > Andy


    Who cares what it says?

    It's what they actually do that counts

    People are asking advice about which SIM to have as a spare with low
    use, and I'd put Vodafone 6th out of 6 of the main networks plus
    Virgin

    On other networks, sufficient activity to keep the SIM valid can be
    just an incoming call; maybe even a text is enough, but I haven't
    checked that.

    Vodafone don't tolerate that and expect chargeable events. And they
    may disconnect it even if there is.

    They disconnected mine, and after the first CS person was blunt and
    actually abusive and hung up the phone, I called back and succeeded in
    getting a manager to switch the SIM on again, after she agreed I'd
    used the phone. But she couldn't clarify whether I'd be back on the
    old tariff which no longer existed (off-peak calls 5p/min had gone to
    10p); nobody else could answer this on 2 subsequent calls. At this
    point you must top up fairly soon (maybe 30, maybe 90 days) or they
    will dump it again. Well, that's what they say but mine was gone again
    in less than 3 weeks. I managed to get it switched on again, but on
    the third wrongful disconnection I gave up.

    For people who want the SIM to stay alive longest with low activity,
    I'd suggest 3 or Virgin. But most will stay alive with just incoming
    calls, like 2 Orange I have from ex-contract which have never been
    topped up and are over 3 years old. One was lost and the number
    transferred to a new SIM which then got disconnected after about 4
    months, but was switched on again within 5 minutes when I rang up to
    enquire about it



  3. #18
    Iain-M
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    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]m...
    > For people who want the SIM to stay alive longest with low activity,
    > I'd suggest 3 or Virgin. But most will stay alive with just incoming
    > calls, like 2 Orange I have from ex-contract which have never been
    > topped up and are over 3 years old. One was lost and the number
    > transferred to a new SIM which then got disconnected after about 4
    > months, but was switched on again within 5 minutes when I rang up to
    > enquire about it


    Just tried out an old Vodafone PAYG that has been sitting around for a heck
    of a lot longer than three months. Worked no problem, so they certainly
    arent disconnecting everyone at the three month point. Six months sounds
    more plausible, although I would have thought this phone must have been
    close to or even over that since last used.




  4. #19
    Steve Terry
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    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "Iain-M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]m...
    >> For people who want the SIM to stay alive longest with low activity,
    >> I'd suggest 3 or Virgin. But most will stay alive with just incoming
    >> calls, like 2 Orange I have from ex-contract which have never been
    >> topped up and are over 3 years old. One was lost and the number
    >> transferred to a new SIM which then got disconnected after about 4
    >> months, but was switched on again within 5 minutes when I rang up to
    >> enquire about it

    >
    > Just tried out an old Vodafone PAYG that has been sitting around for a
    > heck of a lot longer than three months.

    The operable word there is "old"
    If it's Pre Smartstep, then that's when Voda changed their T&Cs

    I had an old Allcalls, and if i could find it it's probably still connected.

    Steve Terry





  5. #20
    Ivor Jones
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?

    In news:[email protected]m,
    andy <[email protected]> typed, for some strange, unexplained
    reason:

    [snip]

    : People are asking advice about which SIM to have as a spare with low
    : use, and I'd put Vodafone 6th out of 6 of the main networks plus
    : Virgin

    I've got a Virgin SIM I haven't used for over a year. I keep it in the car
    glovebox as an emergency phone if I forget mine when I go out.

    Just checked it and the 7 credit is still there.


    Ivor




  6. #21
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "Iain-M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > For people who want the SIM to stay alive longest with low

    activity,
    > > I'd suggest 3 or Virgin. But most will stay alive with just

    incoming
    > > calls, like 2 Orange I have from ex-contract which have never been
    > > topped up and are over 3 years old. One was lost and the number
    > > transferred to a new SIM which then got disconnected after about 4
    > > months, but was switched on again within 5 minutes when I rang up

    to
    > > enquire about it

    >
    > Just tried out an old Vodafone PAYG that has been sitting around for

    a heck
    > of a lot longer than three months. Worked no problem, so they

    certainly
    > arent disconnecting everyone at the three month point. Six months

    sounds
    > more plausible, although I would have thought this phone must have

    been
    > close to or even over that since last used.


    Not even at 6 months!!

    I've just tried a SIM that came with a phone I bought my wife for
    Christmas 2006.

    The SIM was put into her old phone and forgotten about, it has never
    had a top up, only the 2 credit it came with. I've tried to remember
    to make the occasional call from it to keep it alive.

    Just checked now, the last outgoing call/text was on 6 November.
    Credit was 1.60. Made a call, it worked, credit now 1.50.

    So even after about 190 days, they've not cut it off !

    --
    Andy





  7. #22
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]m...
    > > > Vodafone are the worse for cutting off an unused Sim.
    > > > as little as 3 months is enough.
    > > > Make sure you make a chargeable call at least every 3 months

    > >
    > > Where *is* it you get this 3 month cut off from?
    > >
    > > I'm sure we've had this conversation before (or maybe with someone
    > > else on here), the Vodafone T&C's do NOT state they cut you off

    after
    > > 3 months. It's 6 months (or 180 days to be pedantic).
    > >
    > >

    http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatc.../vodafone/wrp?...
    >
    > Who cares what it says?
    >
    > It's what they actually do that counts


    Yes - they've given me 190 days, see my other post.

    > People are asking advice about which SIM to have as a spare with low
    > use, and I'd put Vodafone 6th out of 6 of the main networks plus
    > Virgin
    >
    > On other networks, sufficient activity to keep the SIM valid can be
    > just an incoming call; maybe even a text is enough, but I haven't
    > checked that.
    >
    > Vodafone don't tolerate that and expect chargeable events. And they
    > may disconnect it even if there is.
    >
    > They disconnected mine, and after the first CS person was blunt and
    > actually abusive and hung up the phone, I called back and succeeded

    in
    > getting a manager to switch the SIM on again, after she agreed I'd
    > used the phone.


    So they screwed up - they agree that they shouldn't have cut you off.

    > But she couldn't clarify whether I'd be back on the
    > old tariff which no longer existed (off-peak calls 5p/min had gone

    to
    > 10p);


    Yup - but the 10p is now to any network, whereas the 5p was only
    landlines/Vodafones, it was something like 35p x-net.

    I still prefer the old tariff and my wife's main SIM is on that (15p
    for an hour off-peak - who can beat that?)

    --
    Andy





  8. #23
    Iain
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?

    Steve Terry wrote:

    > Voda PAYT won't be taking any more of my money


    I can't see why anyone would choose Voda PAYT instead of Asda.



  9. #24
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "Iain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > Voda PAYT won't be taking any more of my money

    >
    > I can't see why anyone would choose Voda PAYT instead of Asda.


    Anyone who's a mainly off-peak user, or a roaming user.

    20 min off-peak call to any network - 30p.
    10 min roaming call off-peak to any UK landline/mobile - 1.75.

    Which PAYT can beat those? What do Asda charge?

    --
    Andy





  10. #25

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?

    Hi,

    Just to give the Vodafone slant on this to clear up about
    disconnections for pay as you talk.

    With a pay as you talk number, excluding those that are part of a
    Vodafone family group, if you don't top up your number or make a
    chargeable call for 180 consecutive days, your number will be placed
    into quarantine for 90 days. In the 90 days you'd need to top up by
    at least 15.00 which would then automatically re activate your number
    again.

    If after 180 consecutive days of none use and then 90 consecutive days
    of quarantine, you don't take any action, your number would be
    disconnected. This is to make way for new numbers and so that after
    so many months the number can be recycled for a new user. Any credit
    balance would be forfeited.

    With customers that are part of a family group, due to how family
    works and that you don't actually need to top up or use credit on the
    number, you wouldn't be subject to disconnection rules.

    I hope this clears it up for you, this info is part of the pay as you
    talk terms. The 90 day quarantine period is there to give you the
    chance to take action by way of topping up to reactivate the number
    again.

    Thanks for listening.

    Hopefullyuseful
    Vodafone UK



  11. #26
    DaveB
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    Hi,

    Just to give the Vodafone slant on this to clear up about
    disconnections for pay as you talk.

    With a pay as you talk number, excluding those that are part of a
    Vodafone family group, if you don't top up your number or make a
    chargeable call for 180 consecutive days, your number will be placed
    into quarantine for 90 days. In the 90 days you'd need to top up by
    at least 15.00 which would then automatically re activate your number
    again.

    If after 180 consecutive days of none use and then 90 consecutive days
    of quarantine, you don't take any action, your number would be
    disconnected. This is to make way for new numbers and so that after
    so many months the number can be recycled for a new user. Any credit
    balance would be forfeited.

    With customers that are part of a family group, due to how family
    works and that you don't actually need to top up or use credit on the
    number, you wouldn't be subject to disconnection rules.

    I hope this clears it up for you, this info is part of the pay as you
    talk terms. The 90 day quarantine period is there to give you the
    chance to take action by way of topping up to reactivate the number
    again.

    Thanks for listening.

    Hopefullyuseful
    Vodafone UK

    And do we get a warning before all this happens?





  12. #27
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >Hi,
    >Just to give the Vodafone slant on this to clear up about
    >disconnections for pay as you talk.
    >With a pay as you talk number, excluding those that are part of a
    >Vodafone family group, if you don't top up your number or make a
    >chargeable call for 180 consecutive days, your number will be placed
    >into quarantine for 90 days. In the 90 days you'd need to top up by
    >at least 15.00 which would then automatically re activate your number
    >again.
    >
    >If after 180 consecutive days of none use and then 90 consecutive days
    >of quarantine, you don't take any action, your number would be
    >disconnected.
    >

    You mean stolen
    >
    > This is to make way for new numbers and so that after
    >so many months the number can be recycled for a new user.
    >

    As if you need new numbers
    >
    > Any credit balance would be forfeited.
    >
    > As i said stolen
    >
    > Thanks for listening.
    >

    Thanks for proving you don't
    >
    >Hopefullyuseful
    >Vodafone UK
    >

    Yes very useful in confirming with an attitude and policy like that
    to never use Voda PAYT ever again

    Steve Terry





  13. #28
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > > This is to make way for new numbers and so that after
    > >so many months the number can be recycled for a new user.
    > >

    > As if you need new numbers


    Recycling the numbers must be done at some stage - with many people
    upgrading their phone every year or 2 and often getting a new SIM with
    the new phone, if they didn't recycle the numbers we'd soon run out. I
    read somewhere that the average person has something like 4 SIMs -
    that's not far off the 300 million limit on the 077/078/079 range.
    They're already having to add 075 to the mobile range.

    Although I think 9 months is a little soon - maybe a couple of years.

    > > Any credit balance would be forfeited.
    > >

    > As i said stolen


    If you think unused credit being forfeited after 9 months is being
    "stolen", then what about all those rip-off contracts where you pay
    for a number of minutes per month, and if you don't use them by the
    end of the month they are "stolen"?? After just *one* month, not 9!!

    --
    Andy





  14. #29
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> > This is to make way for new numbers and so that after
    >> >so many months the number can be recycled for a new user.
    >> >

    >> As if you need new numbers

    >
    > Recycling the numbers must be done at some stage - with many people
    > upgrading their phone every year or 2 and often getting a new SIM with
    > the new phone, if they didn't recycle the numbers we'd soon run out. I
    > read somewhere that the average person has something like 4 SIMs -
    > that's not far off the 300 million limit on the 077/078/079 range.
    > They're already having to add 075 to the mobile range.
    >
    > Although I think 9 months is a little soon - maybe a couple of years.
    >
    >> > Any credit balance would be forfeited.
    >> >

    >> As i said stolen

    >
    > If you think unused credit being forfeited after 9 months is being
    > "stolen", then what about all those rip-off contracts where you pay
    > for a number of minutes per month, and if you don't use them by the
    > end of the month they are "stolen"?? After just *one* month, not 9!!
    > Andy
    >

    Most contracts cover the real cost of the phone, with mins and maybe text
    chucked in.

    Even if you never make any use of the contract you've got the phone,
    and if you are on a high mins contract you aren't using, you're on the wrong
    tariff

    Steve Terry





  15. #30
    Andy Pandy
    Guest

    Re: Will Vodafone PAYG expire?


    "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > >> > Any credit balance would be forfeited.
    > >> >
    > >> As i said stolen

    > >
    > > If you think unused credit being forfeited after 9 months is being
    > > "stolen", then what about all those rip-off contracts where you

    pay
    > > for a number of minutes per month, and if you don't use them by

    the
    > > end of the month they are "stolen"?? After just *one* month, not

    9!!
    > > Andy
    > >

    > Most contracts cover the real cost of the phone, with mins and maybe

    text
    > chucked in.


    Part of the cost is the minutes. Hence there is a price differential
    between a contract with more minutes but identical phone.

    > Even if you never make any use of the contract you've got the phone,
    > and if you are on a high mins contract you aren't using, you're on

    the wrong
    > tariff


    But if you use 80 mins a month you are unlikely to be able to get a 80
    min contract, you have to get a 100 min contract and so waste 20 mins
    every single month. This is far bigger rip-off than losing your PAYG
    credit if you don't use the phone for 9 months.

    Some contracts are even worse I believe, and don't even allow you to
    roll forwards unused minutes. So if you average 100 mins per month but
    sometimes use 50 and sometimes 150, you lose 50 mins in the low usage
    months and have to *pay extra* for the additional 50 in the heavy use
    months!

    Makes a 9 month limit on PAYG credit sound positively generous!

    --
    Andy





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