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  1. #16
    Iain
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    [email protected] wrote:

    > I think you have egg on your face now!!


    Er, no.

    The result of that study was basically that people who suffer these
    tumour report that they are on the side that they held their mobile phone.

    That is not the same as saying that the phone caused the tumour. One
    study (may be the same one, I don't have time to check) also found that
    the rate of tumours went down on the side that the phone was not held on.

    Now, it is just possible that holding a mobile phone at one distance
    causes these tumours and holding it a little further way prevents them,
    but I think it is virtually certain that it is not. My strong suspicion
    is just that people report using their phone on the side that got a
    tumour. Partly because they were brainwashed by the sort of drivel you
    have been promoting here.



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  2. #17
    Jim.GM4DHJ
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?


    > So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet, but they are not
    > good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!
    >
    >

    good point...well made....





  3. #18
    Jim.GM4DHJ
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?


    > 1. Microwaves are of too low energy to be ionising, so are unlikely to
    > cause
    > cancer.[1]
    > 2. The heating effect will be minimal bearing in mind the powers
    > involved..
    > does your ear and hand burn when you use it? If not, it is unlikely to be
    > hurting your brain through your skull.


    good points... well made ......





  4. #19
    Gareth
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?



    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
    > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
    > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?


    The evidence is unclear at least in relation to gliomas where there is not
    enough evidence to prove a causal link or even a correlation.

    See for example:

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/332/7546/864

    But the issues are more complicated - see other articles in/off the bmj
    thread for methodological problems that make the existing (reassuring)
    studies somewhat flawed.

    There are certainly still some important unanswered questions. There are
    observations that raise the question - yet to be answered - whether or not
    mobile phone use may contribute to the development of salivary tumours for
    example.

    The question is important not just because of adult use (adults are old
    enough to know the risk and to accept it) but also because of child use. I
    think there's some evidence - although I can't find the original article -
    to say that school age children use mobile phones on average more than the
    average adult. It may be the case that the majority of adults who started to
    use mobile phones in the late 90s as adults on an infrequent or moderate
    basis have less to worry about. See however:

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7483/109-a

    It is a public health question - which doesn't mean that there's necessarily
    anything to worry about at the end of the day.

    There's also been a suggestion that wired headphone use may not decrease the
    risks (if indeed there are any).

    The other concern about using iPhone is that it is a piece of ****.








  5. #20
    Gareth
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?



    "chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
    >> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
    >>
    >> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
    >> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
    >> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
    >> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
    >>
    >>
    >> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
    >>

    >
    > I *am* a scientist and I've learned to ignore these scaremongering
    > reports until I've read the /real/ article.
    >
    > When you do, you'll realise that many of these reports have very little
    > basis on fact - it's often based on opinion or extrapolation.


    That isn't the case in relation to mobile phone use and the risk of cancer -
    there is clear anecdotal and experimental evidence to suggest that the
    question is not scaremongering and that there may be a link.

    Gareth.




  6. #21
    Gareth
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?



    "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
    > On Aug 7, 1:15 pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
    >>> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
    >>>
    >>> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
    >>> Jan

    >>
    >>Really, Jan?
    >>Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
    >>
    >>---------------------------------------------------
    >>INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
    >>
    >>Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
    >>brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
    >>Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
    >> [email protected]
    >>
    >>We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
    >>tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue.

    > <snip>
    >>
    >>

    > Yet another worthless study not taking real risk analysis into account.
    >
    > Try substituting a real world hazard like standing in the sun,
    > for similar amounts of time to using a mobile phone.
    >
    > I can guarantee if you stand in the sun for say 12 hours you'll be as good
    > as dead,
    > the effects of 12 hours of mobile phone use, you wouldn't notice.
    >
    > No one tries to ban a very real health risk like the sun


    Managing exposure to the sun's harmful physical health effects is a major
    focus for health promotion activity in the country:

    http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/hea...ving/sunsmart/

    and in other countries (see the government of Australia websites).

    If you make such a comment about something so basic how can your comments on
    anything more complicated be taken seriously?






  7. #22
    Steve Terry
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    "Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
    >> On Aug 7, 1:15 pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
    >>>> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
    >>>>
    >>>> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
    >>>> Jan
    >>>
    >>>Really, Jan?
    >>>Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
    >>>
    >>>---------------------------------------------------
    >>>INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
    >>>
    >>>Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
    >>>brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
    >>>Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
    >>> [email protected]
    >>>
    >>>We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
    >>>tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue.

    >> <snip>
    >>>

    >> Yet another worthless study not taking real risk analysis into account.
    >>
    >> Try substituting a real world hazard like standing in the sun,
    >> for similar amounts of time to using a mobile phone.
    >>
    >> I can guarantee if you stand in the sun for say 12 hours you'll be as
    >> good as dead,
    >> the effects of 12 hours of mobile phone use, you wouldn't notice.
    >>
    >> No one tries to ban a very real health risk like the sun

    >
    > Managing exposure to the sun's harmful physical health effects is a major
    > focus for health promotion activity in the country:
    >
    > http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/hea...ving/sunsmart/
    >
    > and in other countries (see the government of Australia websites).
    >
    > If you make such a comment about something so basic how can your comments
    > on anything more complicated be taken seriously?
    >
    >

    That's my bloody point, if half the effort to ban mobile phones
    was applied to sun exposure, the sun would be banned

    It's all about accurate environmental risk management
    Clearly Mobile phones come at the bottom of the list

    Sun, Air, bacterial, viral, food, water, and many others are at the top

    Steve Terry





  8. #23
    David Kennedy
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    On 9/8/08 14:23, Iain wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> I think you have egg on your face now!!

    >
    > Er, no.
    >
    > The result of that study was basically that people who suffer these
    > tumour report that they are on the side that they held their mobile phone.
    >
    > That is not the same as saying that the phone caused the tumour. One
    > study (may be the same one, I don't have time to check) also found that
    > the rate of tumours went down on the side that the phone was not held on.
    >
    > Now, it is just possible that holding a mobile phone at one distance
    > causes these tumours and holding it a little further way prevents them,
    > but I think it is virtually certain that it is not. My strong suspicion
    > is just that people report using their phone on the side that got a
    > tumour. Partly because they were brainwashed by the sort of drivel you
    > have been promoting here.


    That's not right at all.

    Obviously, the tumour is controling them subconciously and forcing them
    to hold the phone up correctly so that it [the tumour] can correctly
    monitor their calls and thus better influence their Usenet postings.



  9. #24
    Dave Higton
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    In message <[email protected]>
    "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
    > separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
    > of forcing MMR


    That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.

    Dave



  10. #25
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    "Dave Higton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In message <[email protected]>
    > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
    >> separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
    >> of forcing MMR

    >
    > That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.
    > Dave
    >

    and separate jabs eliminates any risk of damage using a multiple vaccine.

    All the parents want is the choice they had, of course if they got it,
    MMR wouldn't get used, Gov policy would fail.

    Uncle Joe Gordo knows best

    Steve Terry





  11. #26
    Elliott Roper
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    In article <[email protected]>, Steve Terry
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Dave Higton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In message <[email protected]>
    > > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
    > >> separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
    > >> of forcing MMR

    > >
    > > That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.
    > > Dave
    > >

    > and separate jabs eliminates any risk of damage using a multiple vaccine.

    Three holes good. One hole bad.

    > All the parents want is the choice they had, of course if they got it,
    > MMR wouldn't get used, Gov policy would fail.
    >
    > Uncle Joe Gordo knows best


    Uncle Joe Gordo, pathetically despicable as his policies may be, can
    claim no credit, either way. It was in place long before he was. With
    luck MMR will outlive his hold on No. 10

    MMR is a logical and sensible immunisation procedure. Well backed up
    with scientific evidence, then semi-sunk by superstitious muppets egged
    on by a self-serving gutter press.

    --
    To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$
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  12. #27
    Steve Terry
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?


    "Elliott Roper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:100820082017460263%[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, Steve Terry
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Dave Higton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > In message <[email protected]>
    >> > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >

    <snip>
    > MMR is a logical and sensible immunisation procedure. Well backed up
    > with scientific evidence, then semi-sunk by superstitious muppets egged
    > on by a self-serving gutter press.
    >
    >

    What's sensible about attacking the bodies immunity system
    with multiple vaccines at once?
    Give the body a chance to assimilate them one by one

    The only reason the Gov wants MMR is it cheaper and easier

    Steve Terry





  13. #28
    Chris Ridd
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    On 2008-08-10 20:27:41 +0100, "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> said:

    >
    > "Elliott Roper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:100820082017460263%[email protected]...
    >> In article <[email protected]>, Steve Terry
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> "Dave Higton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> In message <[email protected]>
    >>>> "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>

    > <snip>
    >> MMR is a logical and sensible immunisation procedure. Well backed up
    >> with scientific evidence, then semi-sunk by superstitious muppets egged
    >> on by a self-serving gutter press.
    >>
    >>

    > What's sensible about attacking the bodies immunity system
    > with multiple vaccines at once?
    > Give the body a chance to assimilate them one by one


    There's no widely accepted evidence that that is an issue, is there?

    > The only reason the Gov wants MMR is it cheaper and easier


    And those are damned good reasons - I want my tax money to go further.
    My two children had the MMR.

    Cheers,

    Chris




  14. #29
    Dave Higton
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    In message <[email protected]>
    "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Elliott Roper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:100820082017460263%[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>, Steve Terry
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> "Dave Higton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >> > In message <[email protected]>
    > >> > "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >

    > <snip>
    > > MMR is a logical and sensible immunisation procedure. Well backed up
    > > with scientific evidence, then semi-sunk by superstitious muppets egged
    > > on by a self-serving gutter press.
    > >
    > >

    > What's sensible about attacking the bodies immunity system
    > with multiple vaccines at once?
    > Give the body a chance to assimilate them one by one
    >
    > The only reason the Gov wants MMR is it cheaper and easier


    Go read the evidence, then make up your mind on an objective basis.
    MMR is better because it provides full protection, i.e. against all
    three diseases, at the earliest age, thereby leaving the shortest
    window of opportunity for the child to be killed or left permanently
    disabled by any of them.

    Dave



  15. #30
    Iain
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    Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

    Dave Higton wrote:

    >
    > That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.


    It's that sort of downright lie that has got MMR in the situation it is
    in. Having all three is LESS efective, but there are two other factors:

    1. Three jabs would cost more

    2. The NHS reckons that parents wouldn't bother to go for all three.

    They're possibly right about 1. but 2. has backfired badly.




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