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- 08-07-2008, 04:46 AM #1Guest
Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet, but they are not
good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!
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- 08-07-2008, 05:18 AM #2IainGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
[email protected] wrote:
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
Clearly something has fried your brain if you believe that, but it was
not a mobile phone or a cellphone.
> Iphone users can just plug in headphones
As can users of just about every other make and model of phone.
> and is it at arms lenght.
Have you tried holding an iphone at arm's length for the duration of a
phone call? I suspect not.
However, you'll only do it once. For the second call the cable will all
be knotted up in your pocket.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer.
Really? So the headphones lead won't act as a waveguide and lead the RF
into your ears? That's not what the real world tests suggest.
> However, if you
> have been doing this for years it is already too late.
That's not how it works, in fact. For example, people who have smoked
for decades can vastly improve their chances of avoiding cancer by
stopping.
> You will have
> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
Almost as painful as reading this sort of twaddle on usenet time and
time again.
> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
I have heard all sorts of things on the radio. Luckily, having a
scientific education I am able to understand and interpret. It's a
useful skill - I suggest you trey to gain it.
> So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet,
Not if you pay extra line rental to get them, they are not.
> but they are not
> good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!
Do you have evidence for that assertion? Millions of Buddhists would not
agree.
- 08-07-2008, 05:46 AM #3Steve FirthGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer.
Stick to trolling
- 08-07-2008, 05:58 AM #4Simon DobbsGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:46:30 +0100, [email protected] wrote
(in article
<1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio waves fry
> your brain and cause cancer?
1. Microwaves are of too low energy to be ionising, so are unlikely to cause
cancer.[1]
2. The heating effect will be minimal bearing in mind the powers involved..
does your ear and hand burn when you use it? If not, it is unlikely to be
hurting your brain through your skull.
[1] people are often misled by testing a transmitting mobile phone with a
geiger counter- it goes mad... must be v. ionising.
Not so - I did the same test but then removed the geiger-muller tube by
unplugging it (that is the detecter part); the counter still goes wild- and
for a phone polling the antenna gives the familiar pattern we all have
witnessed when a mobile phone is close to an audio circuit- it is the
interference with the audio circuit electronics which causes the geiger
detector to go wild, not the ionising effects of the radiation. The wires in
the box are acting as an aerial and simply picking up and amplifying the
signal.
- 08-07-2008, 06:15 AM #5J. J. LodderGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
Jan
--
"In my youth," father William replied to his son,
"I feared it might injure the brain;
But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
Why, I do it again and again."
- 08-07-2008, 06:55 AM #6chrisGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
[email protected] wrote:
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>
> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
>
>
> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
>
I *am* a scientist and I've learned to ignore these scaremongering
reports until I've read the /real/ article.
When you do, you'll realise that many of these reports have very little
basis on fact - it's often based on opinion or extrapolation.
- 08-07-2008, 07:40 AM #7Steve TerryGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>
>
Clearly a Troll posting from Google
Steve Terry
- 08-07-2008, 08:13 AM #8zoaraGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>
> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
Much as I hate to feed the troll, I've got to applaud that. Very clever,
Jan!
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--
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- 08-07-2008, 09:47 AM #9R. Mark ClaytonGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
Maximum output 0.6W, maximum incidence <40%, typical human absorbtion <0.25W
worst case.
Spectra - all radio.
Sunbathing - output ~2kW/m**2 in tropics; human surface ~1m**2; incidence
50%; typical human absorbtion 1kW/
Spectra - mixed bag including UVA and UVB (both ionising radiation known to
cause cancer).
Hence http://www.skincancer.gov.au/
Conclusion - fried brain and cancer unlikely unless you use your phone
standing in the sun...
>
> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
>
>
> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
>
> So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet, but they are not
> good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!
>
>
- 08-07-2008, 02:30 PM #10J. J. LodderGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
zoara <[email protected]> wrote:
> J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
> >
> > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>
> Much as I hate to feed the troll, I've got to applaud that. Very clever,
> Jan!
Sorry about that, just couldn't resist the temptation.
Maybe I should get a kill-file too?
Jan
- 08-07-2008, 03:33 PM #11newshoundGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
"Simon Dobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:46:30 +0100, [email protected] wrote
> (in article
> <1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio waves
>> fry
>> your brain and cause cancer?
>
> 1. Microwaves are of too low energy to be ionising, so are unlikely to
> cause
> cancer.[1]
> 2. The heating effect will be minimal bearing in mind the powers
> involved..
> does your ear and hand burn when you use it? If not, it is unlikely to be
> hurting your brain through your skull.
>
> [1] people are often misled by testing a transmitting mobile phone with a
> geiger counter- it goes mad... must be v. ionising.
> Not so - I did the same test but then removed the geiger-muller tube by
> unplugging it (that is the detecter part); the counter still goes wild-
> and
> for a phone polling the antenna gives the familiar pattern we all have
> witnessed when a mobile phone is close to an audio circuit- it is the
> interference with the audio circuit electronics which causes the geiger
> detector to go wild, not the ionising effects of the radiation. The wires
> in
> the box are acting as an aerial and simply picking up and amplifying the
> signal.
>
Well said that man.
- 08-07-2008, 05:46 PM #12zoaraGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
> zoara <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
> > >
> > > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
> >
> > Much as I hate to feed the troll, I've got to applaud that. Very clever,
> > Jan!
>
> Sorry about that, just couldn't resist the temptation.
>
> Maybe I should get a kill-file too?
You probably need to sit down if you're feeling that weak.
-z-
--
am forget my password of mac,did you give me
password on new email marko.[redacted]@yahoo.com
- 08-08-2008, 05:15 AM #13Guest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
On Aug 8, 12:14*pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Aug 7, 1:15*pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>
> > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>
> > Jan
>
> > --
> > "In my youth," father William replied to his son,
> > "I feared it might injure the brain;
> > But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
> > Why, I do it again and again."
>
> Really, Jan?
>
> Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>
> Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
> brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
> Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
> [email protected]
>
> We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
> tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue. We
> identified ten studies on glioma and meta-analysis yielded OR = 0.9,
> 95% CI = 0.8-1.1. Latency period of > or =10-years gave OR = 1.2, 95%
> CI = 0.8-1.9 based on six studies, for ipsilateral use (same side as
> tumour) OR = 2.0, 95% CI = 1.2-3.4 (four studies), but contralateral
> use did not increase the risk significantly, OR = 1.1, 95% CI =
> 0.6-2.0. Meta-analysis of nine studies on acoustic neuroma gave OR =
> 0.9, 95% CI = 0.7-1.1 increasing to OR = 1.3, 95% CI = 0.6-2.8 using >
> or =10-years latency period (four studies). Ipsilateral use gave OR =
> 2.4, 95% CI = 1.1-5.3 and contra-lateral OR = 1.2, 95% CI = 0.7-2.2in
> the > or =10-years latency period group (three studies). Seven studies
> gave results for meningioma yielding overall OR = 0.8, 95% CI =
> 0.7-0.99. Using > or =10-years latency period OR = 1.3, 95% CI =
> 0.9-1.8 was calculated (four studies) increasing to OR = 1.7, 95% CI =
> 0.99-3.1 for ipsilateral use and OR = 1.0, 95% CI = 0.3-3.1 for
> contralateral use (two studies). We conclude that this meta-analysis
> gave a consistent pattern of an association between mobile phone use
> and ipsilateral glioma and acoustic neuroma using > or =10-years
> latency period.
>
> PMID: 18425337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> I think you have egg on your face now!!
>
> ------------------------
Sorry I forgot the linky:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
- 08-08-2008, 10:30 AM #14Phil TaylorGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
In article
<a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 7, 1:15*pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
> >
> > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > --
> > "In my youth," father William replied to his son,
> > "I feared it might injure the brain;
> > But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
> > Why, I do it again and again."
>
> Really, Jan?
>
> Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>
> Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
> brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
> Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
> [email protected]
>
> We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
> tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue. We
> identified ten studies on glioma and meta-analysis yielded OR = 0.9,
> 95% CI = 0.8-1.1. Latency period of > or =10-years gave OR = 1.2, 95%
> CI = 0.8-1.9 based on six studies, for ipsilateral use (same side as
> tumour) OR = 2.0, 95% CI = 1.2-3.4 (four studies), but contralateral
> use did not increase the risk significantly, OR = 1.1, 95% CI =
> 0.6-2.0. Meta-analysis of nine studies on acoustic neuroma gave OR =
> 0.9, 95% CI = 0.7-1.1 increasing to OR = 1.3, 95% CI = 0.6-2.8 using >
> or =10-years latency period (four studies). Ipsilateral use gave OR =
> 2.4, 95% CI = 1.1-5.3 and contra-lateral OR = 1.2, 95% CI = 0.7-2.2 in
> the > or =10-years latency period group (three studies). Seven studies
> gave results for meningioma yielding overall OR = 0.8, 95% CI =
> 0.7-0.99. Using > or =10-years latency period OR = 1.3, 95% CI =
> 0.9-1.8 was calculated (four studies) increasing to OR = 1.7, 95% CI =
> 0.99-3.1 for ipsilateral use and OR = 1.0, 95% CI = 0.3-3.1 for
> contralateral use (two studies). We conclude that this meta-analysis
> gave a consistent pattern of an association between mobile phone use
> and ipsilateral glioma and acoustic neuroma using > or =10-years
> latency period.
>
> PMID: 18425337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>
> I think you have egg on your face now!!
Well no. Not if he understands statistics anyway.
What that means when translated into English is that if you use a
mobile phone for ten years AND you suffer a brain tumour, then there is
a slightly greater chance that the tumour will be located on the same
side of the head as the ear to which you habitually hold the phone.
I'm always deeply suspicious of meta-analysis. It's the last resort of
the scientist whose studies have so far failed to provide sufficient
support for his pet theory and a cheap way of getting a publication
without having to do any extra research.
Phil Taylor
- 08-08-2008, 11:51 AM #15Steve TerryGuest
Re: Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 7, 1:15 pm, [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
>> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>>
>> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>> Jan
>
>Really, Jan?
>Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>
>---------------------------------------------------
>INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>
>Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
>brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
>Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
> [email protected]
>
>We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
>tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue.
<snip>
>
>
Yet another worthless study not taking real risk analysis into account.
Try substituting a real world hazard like standing in the sun,
for similar amounts of time to using a mobile phone.
I can guarantee if you stand in the sun for say 12 hours you'll be as good
as dead,
the effects of 12 hours of mobile phone use, you wouldn't notice.
No one tries to ban a very real health risk like the sun
Steve Terry
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