Limited Service

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:37:26 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>IIRC O2 offer 3G now too giving: -
>
>SP 900 1800 3G
>O2 Y Y Y
>Voda Y Y Y
>Orange N Y ?
>T-Mob N Y ?
>Three N * Y

Orange and T-Mobile offer 3G, at least according to their coverage
checkers - I know Orange does video calling and so on - is the ?
because they might be buying 3G coverage from another provider?

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:27:24 +0100, Elder
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The way it works is, if you are going to buy £20 worth of minutes you
>get so much, but if Virgin say, we are going to buy £200million of
>minutes, they are going to get a better price. A much better price.
>They can then sell you the minutes at somewhere between what you pay for
>it normally and what they pay for it.
>
>Add to that they don't have their own equipment to maintain/buy/build,
>but can still charge you a monthly rental fee and they make on that.
>
>Add to that the service fee they do pay is marked as a taxable outgoing
>so they save on their tax too. That is how they can do it.

Thanks.

It still seems to me, that if the main providers can sell their bulk
minutes to somebody else and then be undercut, they could if they wish
undercut the virtual providers! But that's not what happens.

Anyway as far as I'm concerned there are 4 providers: BT Cellnet;
one2one, vodafone and orange, but I'm still set in the 20th century
:-)

It raises a wry smile that BT and the Post Office are now running
virtual providers on mobile and landline respectively, whereas BT
Cellnet and GPO used to be main providers. Such is the nature of
modern privatisation.

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"species8350" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Aug 24, 5:45 pm, "Steve Terry" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "species8350" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:b0d1273a-504b-4bab-b3cc-021dc8fd6f46@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 24, 3:14 pm, Jon <[email protected]> wrote:> In article
> <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a-
> > [email protected]>, not_here.5.species8350
> > @xoxy.net says...
> <snip>
> >The phone I believe is 2G, and I am investigating the network
> >Phone is samsung E250
> >Network is Virgin.
>
> The Network is T Mobile
> Steve Terry
>
>Eh! Virgin is T-Mobile???
>
>
Nope, Virgin is a former partner, now just another Virtual network on T
Mobile

Calling T Mobile from Virgin is treated and charged at cross network

Steve Terry

"Iain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Doug Paulley wrote:
<snip>
> Most of the virtual networks use T-mobile, but Tesco uses O2, Asda uses
> Vodafone. There is one that uses Orange, but I forget which it is.
>
>
Used to be NTL Mobile on Orange, As NTL helped Orange add
Fibre optic trunking to Oranges network. So what they had was a partnership
rather than just another pimped Virtual relationship.

But i don't know what happened to NTL Mobile after Virgin media took over
NTL?

Steve Terry

"species8350" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Aug 25, 11:48 am, Ian Smith <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>> > 900Mhz coverage works better way out in the sticks and inside large
>> > buildings. 1800MHz facilitates smaller cells and lower power operation.
>>
>> That's a bit of an over generalisation. 1800 penetrates better into
>> some buildings because of its shorter wavelength if there are
>> apertures through which it can enter.
>> regards, Ian
>
Simple and well put
>
>What an excellent discussion.
>I am not thinking of changing my network, but it occurs to me that I
>am locked into Virgin. But if Virgin uses T-Mobile (same network), I
>wonder if I could use them (T-Mobile using their SIM) without
>unlocking the phone?
>Thanks
>Best wishes, Sp.
>Sp.
>
>
Virgin GID1 Simlock their phones to Virgin Sims as well as SP lock.

T Mobile generally don't GID1 lock, just SP lock
(So any T Mobile or one of it's virtuals sims will work)

SPunlocking a phone will also clear any GID1 Sim locks

Steve Terry