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  1. #1
    Chris Dent
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    Ported from 'bull**** alert' bull****...

    As reg pointed out:

    <quote>Everyone who buys a mobile telephone will be forced to register
    their identity on a national database under government plans...........
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece</quote>

    Am I wrong to think that any half-savvy crim or would-be-terrorist would
    have little difficulty under these proposals in getting their hands on
    an untraceable phone (or, at least, one erroneously traceable to someone
    else)? Meanwhile, the multitude of us innocents will end up getting
    spied on to the distraction of the authorities that otherwise might be
    focused on those the proposal fails to deal with?
    Chris



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  2. #2
    ChrisM
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    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    In message [email protected],
    Michael Chare <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest
    tower:

    > "Chris Dent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Ported from 'bull**** alert' bull****...
    >>
    >> As reg pointed out:
    >>
    >> <quote>Everyone who buys a mobile telephone will be forced to
    >> register their identity on a national database under government
    >> plans...........
    >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece</quote>
    >>
    >> Am I wrong to think that any half-savvy crim or would-be-terrorist
    >> would have little difficulty under these proposals in getting their
    >> hands on an untraceable phone (or, at least, one erroneously
    >> traceable to someone else)? Meanwhile, the multitude of us
    >> innocents will end up getting spied on to the distraction of the
    >> authorities that otherwise might be focused on those the proposal
    >> fails to deal with? Chris

    >
    >
    > The government is full of measures to make life difficult for law
    > abiding citizens. Try opening a bank account, getting a new number
    > plate for your car/trailer, asking a solicitor to act on your behalf,
    > or obtaining advice from a financial advisor.
    >
    > The mobile phone network is run by computers which can easily log any
    > activity.
    >
    > The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign
    > at the Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number
    > when you enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.


    You don't live near Milton Keynes do you?
    I saw that the other day...
    What happens if you outstay your welcome, do you think. Do you get a parking
    ticket through the post...
    .... or maybe it will get deducted from your next paypacket or added to your
    tax-bill!!

    --
    Regards,
    Chris.
    (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)





  3. #3
    Michael Chare
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    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    "Chris Dent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Ported from 'bull**** alert' bull****...
    >
    > As reg pointed out:
    >
    > <quote>Everyone who buys a mobile telephone will be forced to register
    > their identity on a national database under government plans...........
    > http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece</quote>
    >
    > Am I wrong to think that any half-savvy crim or would-be-terrorist would
    > have little difficulty under these proposals in getting their hands on an
    > untraceable phone (or, at least, one erroneously traceable to someone
    > else)? Meanwhile, the multitude of us innocents will end up getting spied
    > on to the distraction of the authorities that otherwise might be focused
    > on those the proposal fails to deal with?
    > Chris



    The government is full of measures to make life difficult for law abiding
    citizens. Try opening a bank account, getting a new number plate for your
    car/trailer, asking a solicitor to act on your behalf, or obtaining advice
    from a financial advisor.

    The mobile phone network is run by computers which can easily log any
    activity.

    The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign at the
    Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number when you
    enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.


    --
    Michael Chare




  4. #4
    Whiskers
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    On 2008-10-20, ChrisM <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In message [email protected],
    > Michael Chare <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest
    > tower:


    [...]

    >> The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign
    >> at the Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number
    >> when you enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.

    >
    > You don't live near Milton Keynes do you?
    > I saw that the other day...
    > What happens if you outstay your welcome, do you think. Do you get a parking
    > ticket through the post...
    > ... or maybe it will get deducted from your next paypacket or added to your
    > tax-bill!!


    What happens if you reverse in through the exit?

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~



  5. #5
    BGN
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:49:26 +0100, Whiskers
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 2008-10-20, ChrisM <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> In message [email protected],
    >> Michael Chare <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest
    >> tower:

    >
    >[...]
    >
    >>> The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign
    >>> at the Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number
    >>> when you enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.

    >>
    >> You don't live near Milton Keynes do you?
    >> I saw that the other day...
    >> What happens if you outstay your welcome, do you think. Do you get a parking
    >> ticket through the post...
    >> ... or maybe it will get deducted from your next paypacket or added to your
    >> tax-bill!!

    >
    >What happens if you reverse in through the exit?


    Or have a motorcycle with only a rear numberplate.
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  6. #6
    Michael Chare
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    "Whiskers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 2008-10-20, ChrisM <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> In message [email protected],
    >> Michael Chare <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the
    >> tallest
    >> tower:

    >
    > [...]
    >
    >>> The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign
    >>> at the Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number
    >>> when you enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.

    >>
    >> You don't live near Milton Keynes do you?
    >> I saw that the other day...
    >> What happens if you outstay your welcome, do you think. Do you get a
    >> parking
    >> ticket through the post...
    >> ... or maybe it will get deducted from your next paypacket or added to
    >> your
    >> tax-bill!!

    >
    > What happens if you reverse in through the exit?
    >



    It matches your number to the last time you entered properly and then sends
    to an accorfingly large bill.


    --
    Michael Chare




  7. #7
    BOFH
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    "Michael Chare" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Chris Dent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > The government is full of measures to make life difficult for law abiding
    > citizens. Try opening a bank account, getting a new number plate for
    > your car/trailer, asking a solicitor to act on your behalf, or obtaining
    > advice from a financial advisor.


    it could also be paranoia, I s'pose. You can be easily traced here, for
    example. Has your own home phone got false details...





  8. #8
    Sam Nelson
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Michael Chare" <[email protected]> writes:
    > The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign at the
    > Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number when you
    > enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.


    So, don't shop there any more. Simple.
    --
    SAm.



  9. #9
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:55:39 +0100, [email protected] (Sam Nelson)
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Michael Chare" <[email protected]> writes:
    >> The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign at the
    >> Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number when you
    >> enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.

    >
    >So, don't shop there any more. Simple.


    I can't see why anyone would want to spend more than 3 hours in
    Sainsburys anyway. How can you possible need that long to buy your
    groceries?

    This is obviously designed to deter people who take advantage of them
    by parking for free all day while they go and do other things
    elsewhere. The car park then has no spaces left for their own
    customers who actually want to shop at Sainsburys.

    I don't see why Sainsburys shouldn't be entitled to record the
    registration numbers of cars parking on their property.

    Chris



  10. #10
    Sam Nelson
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Chris Blunt <[email protected]> writes:
    > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:55:39 +0100, [email protected] (Sam Nelson)
    > wrote:
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Michael Chare" <[email protected]> writes:
    > >> The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign at the
    > >> Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number when you
    > >> enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.

    > >
    > >So, don't shop there any more. Simple.

    >
    > I can't see why anyone would want to spend more than 3 hours in
    > Sainsburys anyway. How can you possible need that long to buy your
    > groceries?


    There is a story knocking around of an elderly couple who did a large food
    (etc.) shopping round of their local Tesco, had a meal there, and then spent
    some considerable time in the consumer-electronics section looking at TVs,
    etc. Their car spent more than four hours in Tesco's car park, and despite
    having spent over GBP700 there, they were sent a GBP70 parking charge demand
    later. My mother uses a local Tesco car-park, by arrangement with the
    management, as a park&ride to get to hospital appointments. They know she
    shops there weekly, and aren't bothered by the hours her car spends there
    rather than in the ludicrously difficult hospital-parking arena.

    > This is obviously designed to deter people who take advantage of them
    > by parking for free all day while they go and do other things
    > elsewhere.


    Many years ago, the local Tesco (edge of the town centre, very well-
    positioned car-park for that sort of thing) was just about to start charging
    you on exit if you didn't have a receipt for shopping. Then the local
    council announced that it had done a deal with Safeway to be the flagship
    of their new out-of-town retail wasteland, and all of a sudden having a
    town-centre (ish) car-park was a competitive advantage, and Tesco dropped
    the idea.

    > The car park then has no spaces left for their own
    > customers who actually want to shop at Sainsburys.


    But I'm far more likely to shop there if I can park my car there, and far
    less likely if I can't.

    > I don't see why Sainsburys shouldn't be entitled to record the
    > registration numbers of cars parking on their property.


    Lessee... They already know what you bought, and via the name they can
    get back from the DVLA, they can tie what you bought to where you live, etc.,
    because they know when you parked there as well. It's a way of doing
    Reward Card data-mining without Reward Cards.

    These people make billions a year from us. They can hack it.
    --
    SAm.



  11. #11
    D Mac
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    > etc. Their car spent more than four hours in Tesco's car park, and
    > despite
    > having spent over GBP700 there, they were sent a GBP70 parking charge
    > demand
    > later.


    A £70 charge that completely unenforcable and not worth the paper it is
    written on..

    Have a look at http://forums.pepipoo.com/ and navigate to Parking and
    Decriminalised Notices sections
    to learn more about the private parking notices scam.

    There are some very well clued-up people there that can offer good advice.

    DM




  12. #12
    Chris Dent
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    BGN wrote:
    > And nobody's pointed out the obvious problem of one's address not
    > being present on a passport.


    But since your whereabouts can be traced through triangulation, that
    should not be too difficult to work out...



  13. #13
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:50:58 +0100, [email protected] (Sam Nelson)
    wrote:

    >Lessee... They already know what you bought, and via the name they can
    >get back from the DVLA, they can tie what you bought to where you live, etc.,
    >because they know when you parked there as well. It's a way of doing
    >Reward Card data-mining without Reward Cards.


    They wouldn't know your name unless you paid with a personal credit or
    debit card with your name on it. Even if they do know it they wouldn't
    know which car in the car park you used unless they actually followed
    you out of the store. Even then, many customers would be driving a car
    that wasn't registered in their own name.

    There are just too many uncertainties there to make it worthwhile
    trying to get any reliable data of the type that Reward cards provide.

    Chris



  14. #14
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:11:29 +0100, BGN <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:13:00 +0100, "BOFH" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> The government is full of measures to make life difficult for law abiding
    >>> citizens. Try opening a bank account, getting a new number plate for
    >>> your car/trailer, asking a solicitor to act on your behalf, or obtaining
    >>> advice from a financial advisor.

    >>
    >>it could also be paranoia, I s'pose. You can be easily traced here, for
    >>example. Has your own home phone got false details...

    >
    >And nobody's pointed out the obvious problem of one's address not
    >being present on a passport.


    I don't think its your address they want. They're trying to associate
    each mobile phone with a known individual.

    Chris



  15. #15
    Whiskers
    Guest

    Re: Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

    On 2008-10-20, Michael Chare <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Whiskers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On 2008-10-20, ChrisM <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> In message [email protected],
    >>> Michael Chare <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the
    >>> tallest
    >>> tower:

    >>
    >> [...]
    >>
    >>>> The latest piece of surveillance in out neck of the woods is a sign
    >>>> at the Sainsbury car park that displays you car's registration number
    >>>> when you enter and tells you that you can only stay three hours.
    >>>
    >>> You don't live near Milton Keynes do you?
    >>> I saw that the other day...
    >>> What happens if you outstay your welcome, do you think. Do you get a
    >>> parking
    >>> ticket through the post...
    >>> ... or maybe it will get deducted from your next paypacket or added to
    >>> your
    >>> tax-bill!!

    >>
    >> What happens if you reverse in through the exit?
    >>

    >
    >
    > It matches your number to the last time you entered properly and then sends
    > to an accorfingly large bill.


    And if you haen't been there before in that car?

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~



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