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  1. #1
    Sam
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    On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:05:04 +0000,
    [email protected] wrote:

    <snip>

    >Very grateful for any suggestions!


    Give up now as you won't find anything!

    Best I could come up with at the time was a Nokia 6233 + CR-56 holder
    wired into my CK-7W carkit, however Nokia decided to disable the
    backlight option on this handset.

    Since bought a Nokia E61i + CR-83 holder which works well for me,
    including backlight.

    Both of these handsets are discontinued, however new and refurbished
    simfree stock is available at most of the usual places.

    Size comparison. http://i33.tinypic.com/95u2ba.jpg

    Something might be possible with a 3rd party car kits with newer
    mini/micro USB handsets, I haven't researched it to be honest, either
    way don't expect anything remotely modern to work with a CARK-91.

    Sam.



    See More: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)




  2. #2
    Jon B
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    Sam <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:05:04 +0000,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > >Very grateful for any suggestions!

    >
    > Give up now as you won't find anything!
    >


    Seconded. As a phone I still haven't found anything to match it.
    Wouldn't swap back from my N95 which does a whole load more besides, but
    the 6310i still the best 'phone' I've had.

    > Best I could come up with at the time was a Nokia 6233 + CR-56 holder
    > wired into my CK-7W carkit, however Nokia decided to disable the
    > backlight option on this handset.
    >

    Wonder if there is a bit of symbian software that could force the
    backlight on whilst charging?

    > Since bought a Nokia E61i + CR-83 holder which works well for me,
    > including backlight.
    >
    > Both of these handsets are discontinued, however new and refurbished
    > simfree stock is available at most of the usual places.
    >
    > Size comparison. http://i33.tinypic.com/95u2ba.jpg
    >
    > Something might be possible with a 3rd party car kits with newer
    > mini/micro USB handsets, I haven't researched it to be honest, either
    > way don't expect anything remotely modern to work with a CARK-91.
    >

    With BT handsets today, personally I wouldn't put in a car kit that only
    worked with one type of phone, I'd have a BT kit and a car charger for
    the phone in a generic holder. But that's just me.
    --
    Jon B
    Above email address IS valid.
    <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.



  3. #3
    Stev eH
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    [email protected] wrote:
    > I've had the above phones since they came out; the 6210 before that.
    >
    > Works great, a huge phone book, battery life more than 1 week of
    > mostly-standby usage. I've got about 300 entries in there.
    >
    > A great usable car holder.
    >
    > I use Logomanager to backup/transfer the phone book between different
    > phones.
    >
    > What phone would people recommend is a reasonable one to go to?
    >
    > I do NOT want phones with a keypad which is covered by a sliding cover
    > of any sort. That rules out a lot of modern phones.
    >
    > The flip-up StarTac-style phones are OK (I used to have a Motorora
    > StarTac for years).
    >
    > It has to have a very good keypad, nice big buttons.
    >
    > Battery life 1 week on standby (rules out a lot of phones...)
    >
    > Must do bluetooth, GPRS and 3G. I would not drop the 6310i unless I
    > got 3G data.
    >
    > Lightweight (rules out a lot of fancy phones)
    >
    > RS232 or USB interface which gives access to the modem function.
    >
    > PC software with a means of transferring the 6310i phone book to it...
    > I don't mind doing copy/paste but don't want to type it all in again.
    >
    > A car holder which powers the phone, with the screen backlight always
    > ON when in the car holder.
    >
    > Very grateful for any suggestions!
    > x----------x


    Replace it with another 6310i , you won't find a better phone if you
    don't need the bells and whistles.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-BOXE...3A1|240%3A1318

    SteveH



  4. #4
    Nick Le Lievre
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    [email protected] wrote:
    > I've had the above phones since they came out; the 6210 before that.
    >
    > Works great, a huge phone book, battery life more than 1 week of
    > mostly-standby usage. I've got about 300 entries in there.
    >
    > A great usable car holder.
    >
    > I use Logomanager to backup/transfer the phone book between different
    > phones.
    >
    > What phone would people recommend is a reasonable one to go to?
    >
    > I do NOT want phones with a keypad which is covered by a sliding cover
    > of any sort. That rules out a lot of modern phones.
    >
    > The flip-up StarTac-style phones are OK (I used to have a Motorora
    > StarTac for years).
    >
    > It has to have a very good keypad, nice big buttons.
    >
    > Battery life 1 week on standby (rules out a lot of phones...)
    >
    > Must do bluetooth, GPRS and 3G. I would not drop the 6310i unless I
    > got 3G data.
    >
    > Lightweight (rules out a lot of fancy phones)
    >
    > RS232 or USB interface which gives access to the modem function.
    >
    > PC software with a means of transferring the 6310i phone book to it...
    > I don't mind doing copy/paste but don't want to type it all in again.
    >
    > A car holder which powers the phone, with the screen backlight always
    > ON when in the car holder.
    >
    > Very grateful for any suggestions!
    > x----------x



    I have a HTC Tytn II one of the flash phones you ruled out becuase it is
    too heavy and I have to say I don't find it heavy at all, I don't notice
    it in my pocket and when holding it while on a call I have never noticed
    how heavy it is, its only when you think about holding it you notice its
    quite heavy but its not that bad... the thing only wieghs 190g you'd
    have to be a wimp to find that heavy... its not heavy it just wieghs a bit



  5. #5
    Stev eH
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    Peter wrote:
    > Stev eH
    > <StevehkhhSDJvhvbjjxbvvbhnvbhzjdnxzvzhzdshbvnjzvnbvnvjbvbcjbvvvvnmxvzjhjzsdgfgsfghgjsghgsljhglhdjfghfufgfhzysgfhczgugfvzlvufzvllgfzlyfyvlgbylvdfghvblyrylxybvryvbfbllyxdldf@tfif.co.uk>
    > wrote
    >
    >> Replace it with another 6310i , you won't find a better phone if you
    >> don't need the bells and whistles.
    >>
    >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-BOXE...3A1|240%3A1318

    >
    > I've bought a few of these "new" 6310i phones and I bet this one is
    > just as "new" as those I had before i.e. not new at all but a fake
    > made up of an old 6310i with a new fascia from China.
    >
    > The last one I bought was full of muck inside. They just put the guts
    > inside a new case


    Sounds typical of some mobile dealers.

    SteveH



  6. #6
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:59:56 +0000, [email protected] (Jon B)
    wrote:

    >Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:05:04 +0000,
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >> >Very grateful for any suggestions!

    >>
    >> Give up now as you won't find anything!
    >>

    >
    >Seconded. As a phone I still haven't found anything to match it.
    >Wouldn't swap back from my N95 which does a whole load more besides, but
    >the 6310i still the best 'phone' I've had.


    I found the N95 too fat for my liking, and anything other than a
    monoblock doesn't float my boat personally.

    >> Best I could come up with at the time was a Nokia 6233 + CR-56 holder
    >> wired into my CK-7W carkit, however Nokia decided to disable the
    >> backlight option on this handset.
    >>

    >Wonder if there is a bit of symbian software that could force the
    >backlight on whilst charging?


    The 6233 is a S40v3 FP1 device, so no symbian, I had gotten use to
    having the backlight off tbh, though incoming calls at night were
    blinding me.

    >> Since bought a Nokia E61i + CR-83 holder which works well for me,
    >> including backlight.
    >>
    >> Both of these handsets are discontinued, however new and refurbished
    >> simfree stock is available at most of the usual places.
    >>
    >> Size comparison. http://i33.tinypic.com/95u2ba.jpg
    >>
    >> Something might be possible with a 3rd party car kits with newer
    >> mini/micro USB handsets, I haven't researched it to be honest, either
    >> way don't expect anything remotely modern to work with a CARK-91.
    >>

    >With BT handsets today, personally I wouldn't put in a car kit that only
    >worked with one type of phone, I'd have a BT kit and a car charger for
    >the phone in a generic holder. But that's just me.


    I'm the polar opposite, I can't stand call quality over BT, I find
    universal/generic holders untidy and usually not fit for purpose and
    thought of having to mess about with a car charger everytime I'm
    getting in and out of my car, well....

    Sam.



  7. #7
    ChrisM
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    In message [email protected],
    Sam <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

    > On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:59:56 +0000, [email protected] (Jon B)
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:05:04 +0000,
    >>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>> Very grateful for any suggestions!
    >>>
    >>> Give up now as you won't find anything!
    >>>

    >>
    >> Seconded. As a phone I still haven't found anything to match it.
    >> Wouldn't swap back from my N95 which does a whole load more besides,
    >> but the 6310i still the best 'phone' I've had.

    >
    > I found the N95 too fat for my liking, and anything other than a
    > monoblock doesn't float my boat personally.
    >
    >>> Best I could come up with at the time was a Nokia 6233 + CR-56
    >>> holder wired into my CK-7W carkit, however Nokia decided to disable
    >>> the backlight option on this handset.
    >>>

    >> Wonder if there is a bit of symbian software that could force the
    >> backlight on whilst charging?

    >
    > The 6233 is a S40v3 FP1 device, so no symbian, I had gotten use to
    > having the backlight off tbh, though incoming calls at night were
    > blinding me.
    >
    >>> Since bought a Nokia E61i + CR-83 holder which works well for me,
    >>> including backlight.
    >>>
    >>> Both of these handsets are discontinued, however new and refurbished
    >>> simfree stock is available at most of the usual places.
    >>>
    >>> Size comparison. http://i33.tinypic.com/95u2ba.jpg
    >>>
    >>> Something might be possible with a 3rd party car kits with newer
    >>> mini/micro USB handsets, I haven't researched it to be honest,
    >>> either way don't expect anything remotely modern to work with a
    >>> CARK-91.
    >>>

    >> With BT handsets today, personally I wouldn't put in a car kit that
    >> only worked with one type of phone, I'd have a BT kit and a car
    >> charger for the phone in a generic holder. But that's just me.

    >
    > I'm the polar opposite, I can't stand call quality over BT, I find
    > universal/generic holders untidy and usually not fit for purpose and
    > thought of having to mess about with a car charger everytime I'm
    > getting in and out of my car, well....
    >
    > Sam.


    I have a 'generic' holder that cost me £3 at the local market, it looks
    fine, I admit that I had to 'upgrade' the doublesided tape that holds it to
    the dashboard, but apart from that, it does its job(holding my phone in
    position) perfectly...
    I've routed a cable from the 'cigarette lighter' socket across the dashboard
    so that it un-obtrusively finishes up just next to the holder, so all I have
    to do when I get in the car, is shove the phone in the holder and push the
    charger lead into place (takes... oh, 5 seconds...)
    No problems at all IMO... but I suppose everyone's different... :-)

    --
    Regards,
    Chris.
    (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)





  8. #8
    Jon B
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    Sam <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:59:56 +0000, [email protected] (Jon B)
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:05:04 +0000,
    > >> [email protected] wrote:
    > >>
    > >> <snip>
    > >>
    > >> >Very grateful for any suggestions!
    > >>
    > >> Give up now as you won't find anything!
    > >>

    > >
    > >Seconded. As a phone I still haven't found anything to match it.
    > >Wouldn't swap back from my N95 which does a whole load more besides, but
    > >the 6310i still the best 'phone' I've had.

    >
    > I found the N95 too fat for my liking, and anything other than a
    > monoblock doesn't float my boat personally.
    >

    Sorry I was being a bit more general, in that I do appreciate some of
    the features phones such as the N95 give over the old 6310i, and that if
    I didn't have the N95 then I'd have an E71 or an iPhone or some other
    phone that did a whole load more than the 6310i did as I like the
    gadets. The phone bit though still isn't as good as the 6310i.

    > >> Best I could come up with at the time was a Nokia 6233 + CR-56 holder
    > >> wired into my CK-7W carkit, however Nokia decided to disable the
    > >> backlight option on this handset.
    > >>

    > >Wonder if there is a bit of symbian software that could force the
    > >backlight on whilst charging?

    >
    > The 6233 is a S40v3 FP1 device, so no symbian, I had gotten use to
    > having the backlight off tbh, though incoming calls at night were
    > blinding me.
    >

    I was thinking for the OP if he did find a suitable phone, maybe such as
    this bit of software?

    <http://www.symbian-freak.com/downloa...rd/description
    s/miscutility/light_control__keyboard_and_screen_backlight_manager.htm>

    just as a general pointer/idea.

    > >> Since bought a Nokia E61i + CR-83 holder which works well for me,
    > >> including backlight.
    > >>
    > >> Both of these handsets are discontinued, however new and refurbished
    > >> simfree stock is available at most of the usual places.
    > >>
    > >> Size comparison. http://i33.tinypic.com/95u2ba.jpg
    > >>
    > >> Something might be possible with a 3rd party car kits with newer
    > >> mini/micro USB handsets, I haven't researched it to be honest, either
    > >> way don't expect anything remotely modern to work with a CARK-91.
    > >>

    > >With BT handsets today, personally I wouldn't put in a car kit that only
    > >worked with one type of phone, I'd have a BT kit and a car charger for
    > >the phone in a generic holder. But that's just me.

    >
    > I'm the polar opposite, I can't stand call quality over BT, I find
    > universal/generic holders untidy and usually not fit for purpose and
    > thought of having to mess about with a car charger everytime I'm
    > getting in and out of my car, well....
    >

    I think it does depend on cars etc & holders. I've tried a range of
    holders over the years and given up with them, then recently I bought a
    £2.50 holder from Tesco and it works spot on in my car. I don't need the
    charger on every time I get in the car so that isn't really an
    annoyance. YMMV, different usages etc etc.
    --
    Jon B
    Above email address IS valid.
    <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.



  9. #9
    alexd
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    Peter wrote:

    > Stev eH wrote


    >> Replace it with another 6310i , you won't find a better phone if you
    >> don't need the bells and whistles.


    > I've bought a few of these "new" 6310i phones and I bet this one is
    > just as "new" as those I had before i.e. not new at all but a fake
    > made up of an old 6310i with a new fascia from China.


    It would be nice if Nokia would sell the design to someone else if they
    can't be bothered to make them themselves. It would become the Hindustan
    Ambassador of mobile phones. Maybe they're scared that it would cannibalise
    sales of their current offerings?

    --
    <http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) ([email protected])
    21:29:10 up 2:11, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.07
    They call me titless because I have no tits




  10. #10
    Woody
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    "alexd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Peter wrote:
    >
    >> Stev eH wrote

    >
    >>> Replace it with another 6310i , you won't find a better phone if you
    >>> don't need the bells and whistles.

    >
    >> I've bought a few of these "new" 6310i phones and I bet this one is
    >> just as "new" as those I had before i.e. not new at all but a fake
    >> made up of an old 6310i with a new fascia from China.

    >
    > It would be nice if Nokia would sell the design to someone else if
    > they
    > can't be bothered to make them themselves. It would become the
    > Hindustan
    > Ambassador of mobile phones. Maybe they're scared that it would
    > cannibalise
    > sales of their current offerings?
    >
    > --
    > <http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) ([email protected])
    > 21:29:10 up 2:11, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.07
    > They call me titless because I have no tits
    >



    The story is that Nokia stopped making the 6310i as it was too popular
    with business people and they were not upgrading.

    Let's face it, how many business users want cameras, mp3 players, radio,
    even Interweb access? Most just want a phone that works as a phone, with
    text and possibly Bluetooth, and a good, proper car-mounted hands-free
    kit. How many of the modern range of phones meet that criteria?


    --
    Woody

    harrogate three at ntlworld dot com





  11. #11
    Paul Harris
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    In message <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] writes
    >
    > "Woody" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>The story is that Nokia stopped making the 6310i as it was too popular
    >>with business people and they were not upgrading.
    >>

    That sounds likely, they were very popular.

    >>Let's face it, how many business users want cameras, mp3 players, radio,
    >>even Interweb access? Most just want a phone that works as a phone, with
    >>text and possibly Bluetooth, and a good, proper car-mounted hands-free
    >>kit. How many of the modern range of phones meet that criteria?

    >

    I think many would possibly now also like some additional functionality
    but not the gimmicks however the main thing is that it is a phone with
    long talk time, long stand by time, works well at what it is supposed to
    do, isn't too bulky or heavy, good car kit etc.

    >It's quite possible but it would be a stupid attitude because users
    >would like to upgrade to new and better features which *are*
    >applicable to business, e.g. 3G, a higher-res display which shows more
    >info, etc.
    >

    There is some element of that and some people carry two phones however
    many do want something that is primarily a phone and not too large or
    heavy and that will work well without requiring charging every five
    minutes.

    >One key thing would be that the car holder would remain the same.
    >

    One single standard per manufacturer would help.
    --
    Paul Harris
    i



  12. #12
    Daniel James
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    In article news:<1irbqlg.auv90v1jadp3yN%[email protected]>,
    Jon B wrote:
    > With BT handsets today, personally I wouldn't put in a car kit that
    > only worked with one type of phone, I'd have a BT kit and a car
    > charger for the phone in a generic holder. But that's just me.


    One of the things I really like about my 6310i/CARK-91 setup is that
    the signal quality using the external aerial (actually a loop aerial
    disguised as a tax-disk holder) is superb -- much better than using the
    phone itself handheld, even outside the car (especially in areas with
    poor signal).

    Do any of the newfangled apologies for a phone that one can actually
    still buy new even have an external 'antenna' connection?

    Cheers,
    Daniel.






  13. #13
    Daniel James
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    In article news:<[email protected]>, Woody wrote:
    > The story is that Nokia stopped making the 6310i as it was too
    > popular with business people and they were not upgrading.


    The networks didn't want to push a phone that was incapable of making
    use of charged services like picture messaging. The point of a phone is
    not to be useful to its owner, it is to make money for the network.

    > Let's face it, how many business users want cameras, mp3 players,
    > radio, even Interweb access?


    "interweb" access is a fairly common business requirement -- but the
    6310i does provide that (in conjunction with a PC or PDA) if only at
    GPRS speeds.

    No, an updated 6310i with quad-band GSM (adding 850MHz for some parts
    of the US, etc) and 3G -- JUST so it can be used as a modem -- would
    be ideal, for me. I'd like a slightly better display (better contrast,
    and 128px square instead of 96, say, so that it can display a whole
    phone number alongside its little icon without truncating the number or
    wrapping) but I wouldn't change much besides. It'd have to fit the
    CARK-91, of course ...

    Cheers,
    Daniel.







  14. #14
    Sam
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:34:00 -0000, Daniel James
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article news:<1irbqlg.auv90v1jadp3yN%[email protected]>,
    >Jon B wrote:
    >> With BT handsets today, personally I wouldn't put in a car kit that
    >> only worked with one type of phone, I'd have a BT kit and a car
    >> charger for the phone in a generic holder. But that's just me.

    >
    >One of the things I really like about my 6310i/CARK-91 setup is that
    >the signal quality using the external aerial (actually a loop aerial
    >disguised as a tax-disk holder) is superb -- much better than using the
    >phone itself handheld, even outside the car (especially in areas with
    >poor signal).
    >
    >Do any of the newfangled apologies for a phone that one can actually
    >still buy new even have an external 'antenna' connection?


    My 6230, 6233 and E61i have a passive antenna coupler as part of the
    official cradle or available separately as incase of the 6230. None of
    the newer Nokia BT/USB handsets have an official cradle that even has
    a passive coupler that I've seen.

    I certainly wouldn't want a handset burning a hole in my pocket
    (almost literally) when making a call over BT.

    Sam.



  15. #15
    Mark Scott
    Guest

    Re: 6310i owner needs dragging into the future :)

    I've been fairly happy with a Nokia E51 - similar size and weight to the
    6310i, but much greater set of fancy features. Not such good battery
    life, but it's never run down on me during the day so long as I charge it
    overnight. Also, there's no fixed car kit that I know of, but I'm quite
    happy to use my TomTom 730 as a Bluetooth handsfree, or else a small
    lightweight BT headset (Plantronics 6xx). Nokia PC Suite does the
    transferring and syncs to my PC contacts & calendar.



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