m.talki.me, www.talki.me, talki.me

These are text spammers :-

m.talki.me, www.talki.me, talki.me

08712 400112

08712400112

numbers quoted to ring to remove/stop the texts.

Text says :-

Stay in touch these holidays, Unlimited SMS, MMS, INTL CALLS from your
current handset.

www.//m.talki.me 08712400112-16+.txt stoptalki to Optout.

Sender:TALKI

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[email protected] wrote:

>
> In response to Spin Dryer's post about talki, we want to assure
> everyone that we are not spammers....
>
> The text message received was an offer to download and try the talki
> product...
>
> Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out...


But Alex, none of this shows that you are not spammers.

Did he request and then complete a 'confirmed' opt-in for the text
message you sent him?

If not, then you are guilty as charged.

Oh, and rule number 1 about spamming:
Never opt-out of something that you didn't opt-in to.

regards, Ian

On Dec 12, 6:15*am, Ian Smith <[email protected]>
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > In response to Spin Dryer's post about talki, we want to assure
> > everyone that we are not spammers....
>
> > The text message received was an offer to download and try the talki
> > product...
>
> > Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out...
>
> But Alex, none of this shows that you are not spammers.
>
> Did he request and then complete a 'confirmed' opt-in for the text
> message you sent him?
>
> If not, then you are guilty as charged.
>
> Oh, and rule number 1 about spamming:
> Never opt-out of something that you didn't opt-in to.
>
> regards, Ian

Dear Ian,

Thanks for your post. We appreciate the opportunity to respond.

For anyone who received our marketing message, we do have the required
mobile originating "opt in" message. Therefore we are not spamming and
should anyone, including Spin Dryer, disagree with this we can provide
the date, time, number and content of the opt in message. The opt out
option is to opt out of receiving further marketing messages from us
and removal of the number from our database.

If you look at the web site, www.talki.me you will see that this is a
genuine offer for a product that can save you significant amounts of
money. Please feel free to try it and you will see that you are not
billed until such time as you opt in to become a subscriber and
authorize us to do so.

We stand behind our marketing and our product and can be contacted
through our support channels at any time.

Regards,

Alex
talki support team

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:48:19 UTC, [email protected] wrote:

> Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out by texting
> the words stop talki to the short code in the message.

So why do you tell them they can call an 0871 number to stop the texts?
Perhaps because you can make money out of that?

--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:47:58 UTC, [email protected] wrote:

> Opting out via text is quicker and more convenient if someone doesn't
> want to receive more messages from us. We think that most people would
> prefer this. The customer service number is for convenience should
> someone have a question that can't be answered through our support
> channels.

I'm sure that's true. But if you're so customer friendly, why do you not
offer an 0800 or normal landline number instead of a revenue generating
0871 one?

--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

[[email protected]], on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:04:23 -0800 (PST), said
:-

>On Dec 12, 6:15*am, Ian Smith <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > In response to Spin Dryer's post about talki, we want to assure
>> > everyone that we are not spammers....
>>
>> > The text message received was an offer to download and try the talki
>> > product...
>>
>> > Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out...
>>
>> But Alex, none of this shows that you are not spammers.
>>
>> Did he request and then complete a 'confirmed' opt-in for the text
>> message you sent him?
>>
>> If not, then you are guilty as charged.
>>
>> Oh, and rule number 1 about spamming:
>> Never opt-out of something that you didn't opt-in to.
>>
>> regards, Ian
>
>Dear Ian,
>
>Thanks for your post. We appreciate the opportunity to respond.
>
>For anyone who received our marketing message, we do have the required
>mobile originating "opt in" message. Therefore we are not spamming and
>should anyone, including Spin Dryer, disagree with this we can provide
>the date, time, number and content of the opt in message. The opt out
>option is to opt out of receiving further marketing messages from us
>and removal of the number from our database.
>
>If you look at the web site, www.talki.me you will see that this is a
>genuine offer for a product that can save you significant amounts of
>money. Please feel free to try it and you will see that you are not
>billed until such time as you opt in to become a subscriber and
>authorize us to do so.
>
>We stand behind our marketing and our product and can be contacted
>through our support channels at any time.
>
>Regards,
>
>Alex
>talki support team

What a load of Hogwash Slick, and you are pure liars with regard the
"opt in" message.

You did *not* answer the question about confirmed opt in.

Your spamming company sent text messages (2 in fact at about the same
time on two following nights 09/12 and 10/12).

You sent these "marketing" messages to mobile numbers that did not ask
for it - why did you do this ?

This is spamming, for which you will should be shut down.

[[email protected]], on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:48:19 -0800 (PST), said
:-

>On Dec 10, 1:27*pm, Spin Dryer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> These are text spammers :-
>>
>> m.talki.me,www.talki.me, talki.me
>>
>> 08712 400112
>>
>> 08712400112
>>
>> numbers quoted to ring to remove/stop the texts.
>>
>> Text says :-
>>
>> Stay in touch these holidays, Unlimited SMS, MMS, INTL CALLS from your
>> current handset.
>>
>> www.//m.talki.me 08712400112-16+.txt stoptalki to Optout.
>>
>> Sender:TALKI
>
>Hello All,
>
>In response to Spin Dryer's post about talki, we want to assure
>everyone that we are not spammers and that talki, Talkster and the
>company behind the services are not spammers.

Rubbish.

>
>The text message received was an offer to download and try the talki
>product which is a small piece of software that you can run on your
>mobile that will save you money on texting, picture message and
>international calls.

In other words, you sent bulk unsolicited text messages to mobile
numbers that did not ask for it. This is spamming.

What would happen if every spamming company did the same as you, how
many text messages do you think mobiles would receive? The end user's
mobile number would be swamped and effectively made unusable.


[spam text snipped]


>Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out by texting
>the words stop talki to the short code in the message.

Which incurs a cost to the person you sent spam text messages to.

Stop spamming.

Sping Dryer,

As I said earlier, we are NOT spammers. Spamming carries a hefty
penalty and we never send out texts to mobiles where they have not
opted in to receive marketing messages or offers. To anyone who claims
that they were not part of an opt in database, send us your number
directly to our support email address (or simply text us back) and we
will make sure that you are removed from the database. This is a
requirement and we are following the regulations to the letter. The
real spammers are not traceable. I think that we have shown that we
are not faceless in taking the time to answer questions and posts such
as yours. Again, we would be more than happy to remove your number
from the list. Just send us a personal email and we will do that. I am
sure that you would not want to post your real identity or number to
this group as that would guarantee that you get spammed.

Sincerely,

Alex.


On Dec 13, 11:27*am, Spin Dryer <[email protected]> wrote:
> [[email protected]], on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:48:19 -0800 (PST), said
> :-
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 10, 1:27*pm, Spin Dryer <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> These are text spammers :-
>
> >> m.talki.me,www.talki.me, talki.me
>
> >> 08712 400112
>
> >> 08712400112
>
> >> numbers quoted to ring to remove/stop the texts.
>
> >> Text says :-
>
> >> Stay in touch these holidays, Unlimited SMS, MMS, INTL CALLS from your
> >> current handset.
>
> >> www.//m.talki.me 08712400112-16+.txt stoptalki to Optout.
>
> >> Sender:TALKI
>
> >Hello All,
>
> >In response to Spin Dryer's post about talki, we want to assure
> >everyone that we are not spammers and that talki, Talkster and the
> >company behind the services are not spammers.
>
> Rubbish.
>
>
>
> >The text message received was an offer to download and try the talki
> >product which is a small piece of software that you can run on your
> >mobile that will save you money on texting, picture message and
> >international calls.
>
> In other words, you sent bulk unsolicited text messages to mobile
> numbers that did not ask for it. This is spamming.
>
> What would happen if every spamming company did the same as you, how
> many text messages do you think mobiles would receive? The end user's
> mobile number would be swamped and effectively made unusable.
>
> [spam text snipped]
>
> >Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out by texting
> >the words stop talki to the short code in the message.
>
> Which incurs a cost to the person you sent spam text messages to.
>
> Stop spamming.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:22:33 UTC, [email protected] wrote:

> As I said earlier, we are NOT spammers. Spamming carries a hefty
> penalty and we never send out texts to mobiles where they have not
> opted in to receive marketing messages or offers. To anyone who claims
> that they were not part of an opt in database, send us your number
> directly to our support email address (or simply text us back) and we
> will make sure that you are removed from the database.

So, where does this opt in database come from? How do people opt in?

You haven't answered the question about why you use an 0871 number if
people need to phone you. If you are focused on customer service, surely
it should be a geographic or 0800 number. Yes, I know they can text....
--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

[email protected] wrote:
> Sping Dryer,
>
> As I said earlier, we are NOT spammers. Spamming carries a hefty
> penalty and we never send out texts to mobiles where they have not
> opted in to receive marketing messages or offers.

So, presumably you have a record that Bob opted-in to your campaign
using a confirmed opt-in system and can provide him with a copy of
that record?

If you are using a confirmed opt-in system then you will have sent
Bob a text message and asked him to reply confirming his agreement
and you will have a record of that. Without that confirmation reply,
you would not add his number to your database.

If you do not have such a system then you are wide open to abuse,
and the accusation of abuse, and are therefore - effectively - spammers.

regards, Ian

[[email protected]], on Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:22:33 -0800 (PST), said
:-


[Top poster]

>Sping Dryer,
>
>As I said earlier, we are NOT spammers.

Rubbish.

>Spamming carries a hefty
>penalty and we never send out texts to mobiles where they have not
>opted in to receive marketing messages or offers.

This is a pure and total lie. I received two of them as I said, and it
was the first time I had ever heard of your spamming outfit.

Please tell me where I go to get you a hefty penalty.

> To anyone who claims
>that they were not part of an opt in database, send us your number
>directly to our support email address (or simply text us back) and we
>will make sure that you are removed from the database.

What does this mean ?

Telling you a mobile number for you to remove from a database, in
which it shouldn't exist in the first place is next to useless.

How do numbers even get on your list ?

What is to stop anyone putting anyone else's number into your website
to ask for text messages ?

> This is a
>requirement and we are following the regulations to the letter.

How is this a requirement when the number should not have been added
in the first place ?

> The
>real spammers are not traceable. I think that we have shown that we
>are not faceless in taking the time to answer questions and posts such
>as yours.

You have not answered any questions. You have skirted them all.


> Again, we would be more than happy to remove your number
>from the list.

Why is it on the list in the first place ? Why has a person got to pay
to be removed from a list they didn't ask to be put on ?

You sent two marketing text messages to a mobile number that didn't
ask for it. This is spamming, and nothing to say why they were being
sent. It is pure and total text spam.

> Just send us a personal email and we will do that. I am
>sure that you would not want to post your real identity or number to
>this group as that would guarantee that you get spammed.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Alex.
>


Why don't you answer the questions ?



>
>On Dec 13, 11:27*am, Spin Dryer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [[email protected]], on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:48:19 -0800 (PST), said
>> :-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 10, 1:27*pm, Spin Dryer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> These are text spammers :-
>>
>> >> m.talki.me,www.talki.me, talki.me
>>
>> >> 08712 400112
>>
>> >> 08712400112
>>
>> >> numbers quoted to ring to remove/stop the texts.
>>
>> >> Text says :-
>>
>> >> Stay in touch these holidays, Unlimited SMS, MMS, INTL CALLS from your
>> >> current handset.
>>
>> >> www.//m.talki.me 08712400112-16+.txt stoptalki to Optout.
>>
>> >> Sender:TALKI
>>
>> >Hello All,
>>
>> >In response to Spin Dryer's post about talki, we want to assure
>> >everyone that we are not spammers and that talki, Talkster and the
>> >company behind the services are not spammers.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>>
>>
>>
>> >The text message received was an offer to download and try the talki
>> >product which is a small piece of software that you can run on your
>> >mobile that will save you money on texting, picture message and
>> >international calls.
>>
>> In other words, you sent bulk unsolicited text messages to mobile
>> numbers that did not ask for it. This is spamming.
>>
>> What would happen if every spamming company did the same as you, how
>> many text messages do you think mobiles would receive? The end user's
>> mobile number would be swamped and effectively made unusable.
>>
>> [spam text snipped]
>>
>> >Anyone not wishing to receive further offers can opt out by texting
>> >the words stop talki to the short code in the message.
>>
>> Which incurs a cost to the person you sent spam text messages to.
>>
>> Stop spamming.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

[Spin Dryer], on Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:34:28 +0000, said :-

>[[email protected]], on Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:22:33 -0800 (PST), said
>:-
>

>>As I said earlier, we are NOT spammers.
>

>
>
>Why don't you answer the questions ?
>

No response, as expected.