NEWS: Apple sued over hot iPad shutdowns

In article
<[email protected]>,
MuahMan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bottom Line, Apple is being sued again for a faulty product that
> routinely overheats during normal usage.

Bottom line: how many of the suits have actually found Apple at fault?

>
> Apple will continue to get sued until they learn to make products that
> work.

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

---

› See More: NEWS: Apple sued over hot iPad shutdowns

MuahMan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Apple will continue to get sued until they learn to make products
> that work.

That's incredibly naive. The reality is that for as long as people
believe that there's some plausible 'get rich quick' by attacking a
target with "deep pockets", Apple will be targeted for as long as
they're perceived to have deep pockets.


For an illustration, consider the alledgedly "big stink" that New York
politicians have made this week in regards to familes of deceased
military being supposedly "Ripped Off" by some Life Insuarnce
companies.

The claim is that instead of only mailing out a single lump sum check,
they also offer beneficiaries the option of opting for a checkbook
(which they can cash out 100% at any time). The reason for the
supposed outrage is...

* that these 'checking' accounts are earning very low interest;
--> but compared to a lump sum check, which earns ZERO interest =
Huh?

* that these 'accounts' aren't FDIC insured;
--> but they are insured...by the State (not FDIC), and at twice the
FDIC's max ($500K vs $250K).

* that the cash being held for payment of these checks isn't in a
separate dedicated fund;
--> but since its the same fund that the 'lump sum' checks come out
of, what difference does it make?

Of course, what the Politicians have conveniently neglected to mention
is that these products are heavily regulated by the Government and
can't be offered without prior approval by State regulators;
--> yes, this means that State Regulators have previously and
explicitly OK'ed them.

So perhaps the outraged NY Politicians should redirect their
angst...at their own State's Division of Banking & Insurance?

How ironic. Feel free to monitor this situation to see if it ever
registers with the Media that they've been duped, and missed the real
story: a politician blaming an outside entity for a failing of his
own State's making.


-hh

In article <73d849ee-4dd2-4c0d-9f4c-d3b2e40d58ce@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
-hh <[email protected]> wrote:

> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> > -hh <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >...
> > > ...including not only Apple, but Dell, Acer, Lenovo, HP ... you know,
> > > tiny little obscure players in the PC marketplace.
> >
> > Nokia N800 Linux Internet Tablet:
> >
> > Environmental Parameters
> > Min Operating Temperature
> > 14 °F
> >
> > Max Operating Temperature
> > 131 °F
>
> Yes, you've found one that is higher than 95F. I also found one and
> mentioned it yesterday.
>
> However, the occasional exception does not invalidate the observation
> that the majority of the products in the PC industry are only rated to
> +95F.
>
>
> > Sits running in its suction cup cradle stuck to the front window of my
> > new Smart car in the broiling sun all day...
>
> At least its ratings are *closer* to that particular use case.
> Perhaps you should go compare your +131F max rating to the products
> that are intended for that application - - - FYI, I see that my Garmin
> Nuvi GPS has a rating of +140F.

Designed that way since the GPS is very likely to sit in a closed car on a hot
day when the internal temperature of the car can reach that high or higher.

>
>
> > ...talking to its bluetooth GPS
> > 20 channel receiver holed up in the glovebox (everything's plastic, even
> > the roof! *Smart is a GPS dream car.) *
>
> Everything is a trade-off. For example, the long term
> maintainability of that polymer roof is a concern, due to UV radiation
> damage from daily exposure to sunlight. As much as I'm tempted to
> consider a Boxster convertible for my next Porsche, sunlight on the
> roof effectively results in an increase in maintenance costs of
> approximately +$1000/year (top replacement every 5-6 years), which I'm
> not sure would be worth the limited amount of top-down driving
> enjoyment that I'd be able to get per year.
>
>
> > Media player is plugged into the
> > AUX input of Smart's 5-speaker stereo, while Maemo Mapper using stored
> > map tiles on the 16GB internal SDHC plots our exact position and
> > provides a red trail of where we've been. *Wayfinder interrupts the
> > music, when necessary, to instruct us when we approach the next turn if
> > we've decided to let Linux do the driving to a new location. *Wayfinder
> > maps of the North American Continent are in the internal memory card.
>
> An interesting assortment. In Competitive Rallying, the map is the
> job of the Navigator; no GPSs are allowed. In any case, I'm not
> terribly interested in plotting where I've been:
>
> "What's-a behind me is not important"
> - Franco (Gumball Rally; 1976)
>
> For the most part, most of the day-to-day utility I find with a
> vehicle-based GPS system is while on domestic business travel, to
> wayfind to places I haven't been to before. Since I'm not about to
> throw a business laptop up on the dashboard, a "carry two laptops"
> approach is a non-starter AFAIC. Thus, the more compact - even if
> limited - Garmin Nuvi.
>
>
> > Sometimes the case is too hot to touch, but the Nokia N800 tablet just
> > goes on about its business providing entertainment and navigation to the
> > new toy car....(c;]
>
> YMMV as to what one derives entertainment from. Personally, I don't
> think that I've had any form of 'stored' music (iPod, CD, etc) in any
> of my vehicles in probably close to ten years.
>
> Ditto on the YMMV on what kind of car constitutes a "toy". I'd
> provide a photo, but you're likely to mistake the gesture as crass one-
> upsmanship.
>
>
> > iPad my ass.....
>
> Then don't buy one. Alleged "problem" solved.
>
>
> -hh

--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm

On 08-04-2010 12:00, nospam wrote:
> which tablets and smartphones (which the ipad is often considered a
> 'large iphone) have fans? another double-standard.

I think all the iPad's fans are in another newsgroup.

:-)

--
Wes Groleau

Ostracism: A practice of sticking your head in the sand.

On 08-04-2010 11:40, Alan Baker wrote:
> The first refuge of the weak-minded.

Call me weak-minded, not because I use a killfile, but
because it took me this long to figure out Navas belongs
there.

--
Wes Groleau

"There are more people worthy of blame
than there is blame to go around."

In article <[email protected]>,
Wes Groleau <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 08-04-2010 11:40, Alan Baker wrote:
> > The first refuge of the weak-minded.
>
> Call me weak-minded, not because I use a killfile, but
> because it took me this long to figure out Navas belongs
> there.

That's why I said "first refuge". There are definitely people one should
killfile. It just amuses me when I see it happening simply because
someone is losing an argument.

:-)

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

On 8/4/2010 7:49 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 08-04-2010 11:40, Alan Baker wrote:
>> The first refuge of the weak-minded.
>
> Call me weak-minded, not because I use a killfile, but
> because it took me this long to figure out Navas belongs
> there.
>


Doh!

Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote in news:alangbaker-
[email protected]:

>> How much is Jobs paying you to defend the company?
>
> How much are you being paid to malign it? Because whoever is doing it
> should get a refund. Referencing the same lawsuit over and over doesn't
> make it any more evidence of an actual problem.
>
>

So, how much is Jobs paying you to defend the company?

--
iPhone 4 is to cellular technology what the Titanic is to cruise ships.

Larry

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:040820101024426041%
[email protected]d:

> where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature
> is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature
> limits?
>
> oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy.
>
>

I'm sure it will all be duly noted in the court records.....


--
iPhone 4 is to cellular technology what the Titanic is to cruise ships.

Larry

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote in news:alangbaker-
> [email protected]:
>
> >> How much is Jobs paying you to defend the company?
> >
> > How much are you being paid to malign it? Because whoever is doing it
> > should get a refund. Referencing the same lawsuit over and over doesn't
> > make it any more evidence of an actual problem.
> >
> >
>
> So, how much is Jobs paying you to defend the company?

Who's paying you to malign it? They should get a refund.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:040820101024426041%
> [email protected]d:
>
> > where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature
> > is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature
> > limits?
> >
> > oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy.
> >
> >
>
> I'm sure it will all be duly noted in the court records.....

I'm sure it will.

And when it comes to nothing -- as all these suits have, you'll have
slunk off...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

On 8/4/2010 8:53 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Larry<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> nospam<[email protected]> wrote in news:040820101024426041%
>> [email protected]d:
>>
>>> where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature
>>> is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature
>>> limits?
>>>
>>> oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure it will all be duly noted in the court records.....
>
> I'm sure it will.
>
> And when it comes to nothing -- as all these suits have, you'll have
> slunk off...
>


You obviously don't know Larry.... or "jack".

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > > > Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue?
> > >
> > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20011873-260.html
> > >
> > > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...lawsuit-filed-
> > > over-overheating-ipads.ars
> >
> > links for lawsuits snipped.
> >
> > where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature
> > is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature
> > limits?
> >
> > oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy.
>
> Well, to be fair, when Anandtech served up similar tests for the iPhone 4
> death grip issue you dismissed them with an "all phones do that," so why
> would we assume you'd treat any third-party thermal tests any
> differently. I'm sure Steve will serve up videos of other computers
> shutting down after 15 minutes in a slow oven as proof that this too is a
> non-issue...

let's see the tests, and be sure to include other tablets. then we'll
have *actual numbers* to compare.

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 04 Aug 2010 10:24:42 -0700 nospam wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote in news:alangbaker-
> > > [email protected]:
> > >
> > > > Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue?
> > >
> > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20011873-260.html
> > >
> > > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...lawsuit-filed-
> > > over-overheating-ipads.ars
> >
> > links for lawsuits snipped.
> >
> >
> > where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature
> > is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature
> > limits?
> >
> > oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy.
>
>
> Well, to be fair, when Anandtech served up similar tests for the iPhone 4
> death grip issue you dismissed them with an "all phones do that," so why
> would we assume you'd treat any third-party thermal tests any
> differently. I'm sure Steve will serve up videos of other computers
> shutting down after 15 minutes in a slow oven as proof that this too is a
> non-issue...

You do realize that the whole antenna issue is looking more and more
like the non-issue that some of us said it was...


....right?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

On 8/4/2010 9:29 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Todd Allcock<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At 04 Aug 2010 10:24:42 -0700 nospam wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, Larry
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Baker<[email protected]> wrote in news:alangbaker-
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue?
>>>>
>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20011873-260.html
>>>>
>>>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...lawsuit-filed-
>>>> over-overheating-ipads.ars
>>>
>>> links for lawsuits snipped.
>>>
>>>
>>> where are the thermal tests? how hot does it get? at what temperature
>>> is the warning given? what *is* it's real world operating temperature
>>> limits?
>>>
>>> oh right, you don't have any *actual* evidence, just more idiocy.
>>
>>
>> Well, to be fair, when Anandtech served up similar tests for the iPhone 4
>> death grip issue you dismissed them with an "all phones do that," so why
>> would we assume you'd treat any third-party thermal tests any
>> differently. I'm sure Steve will serve up videos of other computers
>> shutting down after 15 minutes in a slow oven as proof that this too is a
>> non-issue...
>
> You do realize that the whole antenna issue is looking more and more
> like the non-issue that some of us said it was...
>
>
> ...right?
>


Once it wears its raincoat, sure, whatever.