iPhone - A Guided Tour

none wrote:

> Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world, and you continue
> to ignore that fact.

Hmm, Apple is hovering right around 1% in terms of market share (for
business), while the wireless part of AT&T has about 30% market share
(for business), while for non-wireless products AT&T does business with
about 80% of larger businesses (be it long distance, conference calling,
leased lines, whatever).

Apple's strengths are in the education market and in the consumer
market. They could, if they wished, expand their market share in
businesses, but they would have to offer dual-boot systems direct from
Apple, rather than the current way of having their resellers offer this
option.

The iPhone is not directed at large businesses. It cannot run the
necessary applications.

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Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
> none wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:31:14 -0600]:
>> Face the facts, Apple has control over ATT by one single product. ATT
>> will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June
>> 29th forward. ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple calls all
>> the shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.
>
> Hahahahahahaha
>
> You are so deluded it's scary.

No one is scared by loons that loony, they're completely harmless.

They do provide a bit of light relief tho.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> none <[email protected]> wrote

>> Face the facts, Apple has control over ATT by one single product.
>> ATT will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday,
>> June 29th forward. ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple
>> calls all the shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.

> And you are a disinformation agent for Microsoft or Verizon, right?

Nar, it actually is that stupid. Look at its posting history.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...+%[email protected]%3E

Jobs has clearly implanted an ipod between its ears.

Hope its dog**** proof.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>>>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
>>>>>>> controls much of the business world now.

>>>>>> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought
>>>>>> that delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)

>>>>> I think he was being sarcastic.

>>>> 'think' again, he clearly wasnt.

>>> After reading more of his drivel, I have to agree.

>>>> It actually believes that mindlessly silly crap.

>>> Either that or he is trolling.

>> Nar, have a look at its posting history, its actually silly enough to believe it.

> Well, I'm what Windroids call a "maccie"

You should have posted a warning before leaping out of that closet
quite so enthusiastically, there are clearly children reading these groups.

> (or however they ***** it)

they ***** it stupid.

> and plan to buy an iPhone on Friday,

Havent even noticed that what that bugger Jobs has done subliminals wise on those Macs |-(

> but I think this guy is off his rocker.

Yeah, havent noticed such a rabid fanchild for a long time now.

Its that bugger Job's fault, the subliminals have clearly fried what was between its ears.

> no wonder he hides behind an alias.

True, thats Jobs too.

I think Jobs should be burnt at the stake.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>> And you are a disinformation agent for Microsoft or Verizon, right?

>> Nar, it actually is that stupid. Look at its posting history.
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...+%[email protected]%3E

> That history meets the definition of being a disinformation agent.

No it doesnt.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>> and plan to buy an iPhone on Friday,

>> Havent even noticed that what that bugger Jobs
>> has done subliminals wise on those Macs |-(

> I've been a Verizon Wireless customer for nine years (the first
> year or two, it was still GTE Mobilenet where I lived at the time),
> and if Verizon weren't so anal about letting me replace a damaged
> phone at a reasonable price, I would have bought another phone
> from them. But they want me to pay full price, which comes to
> almost what an iPhone costs.

There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than an iphone.

> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),

There's plenty of phones that can do that too.

> so I can check my email and browse the web
> from any place that I can with a wireless laptop.

Pity the iphone has no keyboard.

> I've been thinking about buying a laptop just for
> that purpose, so getting the iPhone fits both bills.

No it doesnt on the keyboard alone.

> When I first saw the iPhone at MacWorld when Jobs introduced
> it, I felt that I didn't need it--I wasn't planning to get a laptop
> then--and although I admired it, I had no intention of buying one.

Bet you dont like it when replying to email.

Rod Speed wrote:
> none <[email protected]> wrote
>
Can't you tell you've been fished up the wazoo??

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lsmft

John McWilliams <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> none <[email protected]> wrote

> Can't you tell you've been fished up the wazoo??

Fantasy, look at its posting history.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > ATT will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June
> > 29th forward.
>
> How odd that AT&T's market cap leave's Apples for dead, and always has too.

apple is now about 50% the value of ATT, and 93% of that value has been
erned in the last 10 years, so by default, Apple will be more valuable
than ATT in about 12 years. There is no way around it, ATT better shape
up or they will lose.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>> And you are a disinformation agent for Microsoft or Verizon, right?

>>>> Nar, it actually is that stupid. Look at its posting history.
>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...+%[email protected]%3E

>>> That history meets the definition of being a disinformation agent.

>> No it doesnt.

> OK, so you don't know what a disinformation agent is.

Corse I do.

Most of its posts are nothing like that.

none <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> none <[email protected]> wrote

>>> ATT will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June 29th forward.

>> How odd that AT&T's market cap leaves Apple's for dead, and always has too.

> apple is now about 50% the value of ATT,

Like I said, AT&T's market cap leaves Apple's for dead, and always has too.

> and 93% of that value has been erned in the last 10 years,

When it had absolutely NOTHING to do with Apple. Funny that.

> so by default, Apple will be more valuable than ATT in about 12 years.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.

> There is no way around it, ATT better shape up or they will lose.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.

And it took a hell of a long time before Apple managed to shape up, too.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>> I've been a Verizon Wireless customer for nine years (the first
>>> year or two, it was still GTE Mobilenet where I lived at the time),
>>> and if Verizon weren't so anal about letting me replace a damaged
>>> phone at a reasonable price, I would have bought another phone from
>>> them. But they want me to pay full price, which comes to almost
>>> what an iPhone costs.

>> There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than an iphone.

> None that can do everything that the iPhone can.

Wrong.

>>> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
>>> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),

>> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.

> Like what?

Just about all the high end phones can do that.

>>> so I can check my email and browse the web
>>> from any place that I can with a wireless laptop.

>> Pity the iphone has no keyboard.

> Sure it does; it's a touch-screen keyboard.

Thats a hopeless way to do email.

>>> I've been thinking about buying a laptop just for
>>> that purpose, so getting the iPhone fits both bills.

>> No it doesnt on the keyboard alone.

> If you're too clumsy to use a touch-screen keyboard,

No I'm not, my GPS has one. You dont enter much
text so its viable for that. It isnt for email tho.

> that doesn't mean that I am.

Does mean that its ****ed for email compared with a small laptop.

>>> When I first saw the iPhone at MacWorld when Jobs introduced
>>> it, I felt that I didn't need it--I wasn't planning to get a laptop
>>> then--and although I admired it, I had no intention of buying one.

>> Bet you dont like it when replying to email.

> What do you want to bet? It will be a hell of a lot better than
> pressing the "2" key three times to type the letter "c", for instance.

Yes, but a small laptop with a real keyboard leaves it for dead for email.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> And you are a disinformation agent for Microsoft or Verizon,
>>>>>>> right?
>>
>>>>>> Nar, it actually is that stupid. Look at its posting history.
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_u...+%[email protected]%3E
>>
>>>>> That history meets the definition of being a disinformation
>>>>> agent.
>>
>>>> No it doesnt.
>>
>>> OK, so you don't know what a disinformation agent is.
>>
>> Corse I do.
>
> Not that you've demonstrated.

I just gave you the demonstration, you just deleted that from the quoting.

Flagrantly dishonest.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>>> There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than an iphone.

>>> None that can do everything that the iPhone can.

>> Wrong.

> Name some.

The Nokia N series.

>>>>> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
>>>>> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),

>>>> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.

>>> Like what?

>> Just about all the high end phones can do that.

> Name some.

The Nokia N series.

>>> Sure it does; it's a touch-screen keyboard.

>> Thats a hopeless way to do email.

> You speak from experience?

Yep, the GPS can do that, and its hopeless.

>>>> No it doesnt on the keyboard alone.

>>> If you're too clumsy to use a touch-screen keyboard,

>> No I'm not, my GPS has one. You dont enter much
>> text so its viable for that. It isnt for email tho.

> Your GPS isn't optimized for that.

Wrong again. Its actually much better optimised for entering
text via a touch screen keyboard than the iphone, because
with a GPS you only have to enter a very small number of letters
and then select from the list. You cant do that with email.

>>> that doesn't mean that I am.

>> Does mean that its ****ed for email compared with a small laptop.

> I see;

No you dont.

> to you, everything is black or white--it's ****ed or not ****ed.

Wrong again.

> You carry your laptop; I don't want to be
> burdened with one--it doesn't fit in my purse.

Then you get to wear the crudity of a touch screen keyboard
which even you wont be using for email much.

>>> What do you want to bet? It will be a hell of a lot better than
>>> pressing the "2" key three times to type the letter "c", for instance.

>> Yes, but a small laptop with a real keyboard leaves it for dead for email.

> As I said, you carry a laptop if you want; I'd rather not have that burden.

As I said, even you wont be emailing much.

> Curious how you suddenly switched from comparing the
> iPhone to other cell phones to comparing it to laptops.

No I didnt. YOU brought up the laptop you were considering before the iphone showed up.

> Typical red-herring tactic when one can't defend one's position.

Never ever could bull**** and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Just another utterly mindless Apple loving bigot.

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than
>>>> an iphone.
>>> None that can do everything that the iPhone can.
>> Wrong.
>
> Name some.
>
>>>>> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need to
>>>>> buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),
>>>> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.
>>> Like what?
>> Just about all the high end phones can do that.
>
> Name some.

The only feature of the iPhone that no other devices match is the
ability to play DRM protected downloads from iTunes. On other devices
you'd have to remove the iTunes DRM which is beyond the ability of many
users.

For the user that wants what is essentially a web pad, world phone, and
iPod combined, and that doesn't care about doing lots of e-mail or
running PDA applications the iPhone is fine.

You can use "http://phonescoop.com" to search for phones with 802.11,
and there are a few with 802.11g.

One advantage of the iPhone is the large amount of integrated memory.
With the competing phones, you'd have to use a MicroSD card to equal the
memory, and you can't even buy an 8GB MicroSD card yet (due next year).

One of the reasons some people are down on the iPhone is that they are
comparing it to PDA type devices such as the Blackberry or Treo, which
are more of a PDA plus a phone, and which can run a huge number of
applications natively (not just web based apps). The iPhone is not a
PDA, it's more of an entertainment device plus a phone plus a web
browser. It's actually not a bad deal for a mini-web pad for use
802.11b/g, the phone function and music player functions notwithstanding.