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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> >
> > Then why so jaded?
> >
>
> hmmmm. must be because instead of creating a really cool and useful
> cell people get an overhyped, overexpensive,CRIPPLED toy that does
> less overall than a $49 feature phone because of it's very limited in
> app expandability.
>
> BAD move stevie boy.

Techies aside, finally a multi-function phone that everyone can easily
use. No other phone comes close for this.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> > In article <
>
> > Techies aside, finally a multi-function phone that everyone can easily
> > use. No other phone comes close for this.
> >
>
> Bwahahaha....I'm always amazed at how people can be so easily
> manipulated by the marketing droids. Hey dude, it's a phone, almost
> all the smartphones i know (excluding windows mobile) have very easy
> interfaces.
>
> Reminds me of that NY reviewer who seems to think traffic reports on
> google maps in iphone is so cool...hedy butthead. my wife's $49 Razr
> phone does the exact same thing...it's a google map mobile feature!

Of course, the fact that so many regular people don't even know many of
the iPhone's features are available on other phones -- sometimes even
phones they already own -- tells you something fairly important right
there.

As I said in another thread, Apple's recent successes haven't been so
much about creating fundamentally new technologies, but about taking
existing technologies, making them palatable to people who aren't
tech-heads, and clearly presenting a compelling use case for them.

The iPhone appears to be a classic example of this. The ads make it
particularly blatant. How many other mobile phone ads have you seen that
walk the user through performing a real-world task? (Or even show the UI
at all?) How many phones have a UI that would lend itself to making such
ads?

> * having hysterical fits at the sheep while writing on my opera mini.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> > In article <
>
> > Techies aside, finally a multi-function phone that everyone can easily
> > use. No other phone comes close for this.
> >
>
> Bwahahaha....I'm always amazed at how people can be so easily
> manipulated by the marketing droids. Hey dude, it's a phone, almost
> all the smartphones i know (excluding windows mobile) have very easy
> interfaces.

BS- even the Treo semi-sucks. All the phones have considerable learning
curves.

> Reminds me of that NY reviewer who seems to think traffic reports on
> google maps in iphone is so cool...hedy butthead. my wife's $49 Razr
> phone does the exact same thing...it's a google map mobile feature!


>
> * having hysterical fits at the sheep while writing on my opera mini.

Great. Damn thing crashes on my Treo.
Google maps works fine. If they all could write stable programs...

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In article <[email protected]>,
ZnU <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Kurt wrote:
> > > In article <
> >
> > > Techies aside, finally a multi-function phone that everyone can easily
> > > use. No other phone comes close for this.
> > >
> >
> > Bwahahaha....I'm always amazed at how people can be so easily
> > manipulated by the marketing droids. Hey dude, it's a phone, almost
> > all the smartphones i know (excluding windows mobile) have very easy
> > interfaces.
> >
> > Reminds me of that NY reviewer who seems to think traffic reports on
> > google maps in iphone is so cool...hedy butthead. my wife's $49 Razr
> > phone does the exact same thing...it's a google map mobile feature!
>
> Of course, the fact that so many regular people don't even know many of
> the iPhone's features are available on other phones -- sometimes even
> phones they already own -- tells you something fairly important right
> there.

Bingo. Add to that the ease of use. All the others fall flat on their
faces in this department.

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:53:04 -0600, Oxford <[email protected]>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
>ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
>really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!

I have five beefs with Apple over the iPhone.

1. they won't tell me what CPU it has.

2. they won't tell me the clock speed.

3. they won't tell me how much RAM it has.

4. It does not run Java and Steve Jobs spat on Java when asked about
support.

5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
has one of the worst data networks.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Roedy Green <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:53:04 -0600, Oxford <[email protected]>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
> >wow, already many apps / widgets for the iPhone and the thing doesn't
> >ship for 55ish hours! expect 1000's of these in a few months... they
> >really make apps on any other mobile phone obsolete!
>
> I have five beefs with Apple over the iPhone.
>
> 1. they won't tell me what CPU it has.

Why do you care?

>
> 2. they won't tell me the clock speed.

Why do you care?

>
> 3. they won't tell me how much RAM it has.

Why do you care?

>
> 4. It does not run Java and Steve Jobs spat on Java when asked about
> support.

"spat"? Please.

>
> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> has one of the worst data networks.

They did what was required to get the phone available.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Roedy Green wrote:
> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> has one of the worst data networks.

Lots of phones have single-network versions (my Treo 650, for example,
is Cingular-only). That will take care of itself in time.
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John W. Kennedy
"...if you had to fall in love with someone who was evil, I can see why
it was her."
-- "Alias"

"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
>> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
>> has one of the worst data networks.
>
> They did what was required to get the phone available.

word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy. given
that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not just make it
an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever (gsm) network they
want?

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 28 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0700 ed wrote:
>
>> word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy.
>> given that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not
>> just make it an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever
>> (gsm) network they want?
>
> Because then Apple would lose the benefit of someone else (AT&T) wasting
> their ad dollars hyping Apple's product.

given all the media hype, and jobs mastery of the media, i don't think
that's really an issue...

> And the benefit of a carrier
> selling it for them.

or maybe more carriers would have carried it...

> Also, Apple needed the carrier support of a lowish-priced data plan

i don't think edge is the main attraction of this phone, eh?

> and
> backend for the "Visual Voicemail" feature.

that's the one thing- seems like a relatively minor thing for an exclusive
carry.

and to counter all you points at once, rumors are that apple may go it alone
in europe... ;D

In article <9%[email protected]>, ed
<[email protected]> wrote:

> word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy. given
> that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not just make it
> an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever (gsm) network they
> want?
>
The reason is that Apple wanted significant changes made to the way the
carrier operates.
There are quite a few changes in the system, in features, and in the
way the device is recognized, and the options they give users.

Jobs likes to set a goal (about the way the device will operate, who it
will be directed to, etc.) and then stick to it. That means once his
team decided on features, they needed a carrier that would agree.

You may also have read that several European carriers were at least
annoyed with the requirements. That may just mean that they didn't like
being asked to make changes to the system to accommodate phone features
before. It might also reflect the differences in the way that US
carriers do business.

At 28 Jun 2007 23:53:07 -0700 ed wrote:

> > Also, Apple needed the carrier support of a lowish-priced data plan
>
> i don't think edge is the main attraction of this phone, eh?

Not EDGE specifically, but the thing would be next to useless without
mobile data.

> and to counter all you points at once, rumors are that apple may go it
alone in europe... ;D

Only if they have to- they'd rather get carrier support.

Oh, and I ogot to mention an important benefit- reportedly Apple gets a
cut of the monthly fees from AT&T!

In article <[email protected]>, Roedy Green
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I have five beefs with Apple over the iPhone.
>
> 1. they won't tell me what CPU it has.
Which matters how? If you have the SDK, you would be given specifics.

> 2. they won't tell me the clock speed.
Same -- if you had a reason to know, you'd check. If you are merely
curious, it's immaterial.

> 3. they won't tell me how much RAM it has.
No, I think they specified several things about this. They are
certainly clear about the space YOU are allowed to access.

> 4. It does not run Java and Steve Jobs spat on Java when asked about
> support.
Major exaggeration; and apparently, you're not willing to consider
anything like a reason.

> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> has one of the worst data networks.
Nothing 'artificial' about it; it's locked to the company they
partnered with. They did it to get the device made the way they wanted.
If they didn't, there wouldn't be any device.
Why do you have a problem with that? Sometimes, it's how things get
done!

Look, you know how music gets made? That's why people have to pay for
it -- because a lot of how musicians and performers are found and
developed and given the time and motivation to make music costs money
to do.

In article <[email protected]>,
"John W. Kennedy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Roedy Green wrote:
> > 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T & T
> > has one of the worst data networks.
>
> Lots of phones have single-network versions (my Treo 650, for example,
> is Cingular-only). That will take care of itself in time.

You can get your Treo unlocked by Cingular.

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In article <9%[email protected]>,
"ed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]... <snip>
> >> 5. they artificially locked the device into AT & T even though A T
> >> & T has one of the worst data networks.
> >
> > They did what was required to get the phone available.
>
> word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy.
> given that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not
> just make it an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever
> (gsm) network they want?

My guess is that Jobs has sold AT&T on some more significant long-term
plan Apple has, and it'll take some time before we start to see that
seriously unfold.

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about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:29:09 -0000, [email protected] wrote:

>I cannot believe how CRIPPLED the iphone is in terms of what it CANNOT
>do...a $49 phone can do more than this $500 toy!
>
>Look at some of the apps that you can download FOR FREE for Java
>(j2ME)-enabled devices:, which is most cells....
>
>Games:
>well, there are literally thousands of games, from simple ones to high-
>end
>3d games that are available to Java enabled cells. The iphones cannot
>run a
>single one of them!
>
>Java.com featured mobile games:
>http://www.java.com/en/games/mobile/index.jsp
>


Get real. Nobody wants an iPhone for gamesd (except maybe you)

If you want portable games, go get a PSP2.


I had enough of JAVA games locking up my Motorola V600 or Sony W600i
or Sony T637 from downloadable JAVA games.