Re:Nextel Push and Wait to Talk

They sure are!

Hasta la Vista Nextel....

HAHAHHAHAHHA




"Jacob Suter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <Flame_Suit>
>
> Actually tonight I did a bit of a test...
>
> I lost a grand total of ~30 packets (1 packet per second ping of the first
> hop) over a 57 mile trip through some areas where I normally *CAN NOT*
hold
> a call. Using only Verizon's Express Network service and a Motorola v120e
> that was simply tossed up on the dashboard (laying horizontal face down).
>
> 1 hour 15 minutes, no problems... Sat and talked on IRC while someone
else
> drove. Did notice an increase in latency when in the bad fringe areas,
> usually around 700-900ms latency.
>
> With PTT, the message could easily be cached then sent as soon as singal
> there was available... As for the v60p, its hard to say if it does this
or
> not. Its also the first phone and the first live implimentation. Look
how
> far CDMA itself has come in a rather short time - if the PTT market takes
> off you'll definetly see rapid improvement of the hardware and service
since
> there will be more R&D time spent.
>
> The question is... How many customer does Nextel have that are only with
> Nextel for the PTT but would rather *NOT* be with Nextel for whatever
reason
> (coverage, customer service, ****ty attitude, general userbase 'churn',
> whatever). Also, how many people want PTT service, but can't get nextel
for
> whatever reason (limited coverage - every major CDMA provider will likely
> offer PTT by the 2nd quarter of 2004. If these networks have
> inter-operating PTT coverage, Nextel is *SCREWED* in the way of actual
> coverage - and since their network is proprietary it'll be a serious pain
to
> interconnect Nextel to the much larger network...
>
> Either this will cause Nextel to rapidly push for their own CDMA rollout,
or
> Nextel will go out of business and the spectrum licenses purchased by one
of
> the larger CDMA providers for some sort of proprietary service...
>
> As far as I've seen GPRS/GSM data is pretty lame. My friend had AT&T's
data
> service and a Bluetooth nokia phone. Couldn't break 9k/sec, and the
latency
> was usually around 800ms to the 1st hop. To compare, my 1x vzn 1st hop
> turnaround is ~295-315ms with even a pretty lousy signal, and I can
*always*
> pull at least 14k/sec - topping around 15.5k (sustained download speeds).
> My upload speed is consistantly within 10% of the download speed.
>
> Well, thats how I see it MIGHT turn out... Time will tell the important
> story...
>
> </Flame_Suit>
>
> JS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:05:49 +0000 (UTC), Mitchell Regenbogen
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
> > >small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't
> communicate
> > >at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready
for
> > >prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
> > >than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
> > >merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is
the
> > >only reason for being.
> > >
> > What I'd like to see is for someone to take a PTT Verizon phone from
> > Charleston, SC, and drive it around the SOLID PTT coverage area on
> > their bogus coverage map across southwestern South Carolina, where
> > they MIGHT have marginal CDMA service on the widely-spaced AMPS
> > towers, but it would be a MIRACLE if it has 1X service to make PTT
> > happen.....too funny.
> >
> > Then, when a TRUE PTT coverage map has been established, sue their
> > asses to force THEM to publish a TRUE PTT coverage map, you know, like
> > the one Verizon's sales staff is showing, the TRUE coverage map Nextel
> > produces for the same area.
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.
>
>

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They sure are!

Hasta la Vista Nextel....

HAHAHHAHAHHA




"Jacob Suter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <Flame_Suit>
>
> Actually tonight I did a bit of a test...
>
> I lost a grand total of ~30 packets (1 packet per second ping of the first
> hop) over a 57 mile trip through some areas where I normally *CAN NOT*
hold
> a call. Using only Verizon's Express Network service and a Motorola v120e
> that was simply tossed up on the dashboard (laying horizontal face down).
>
> 1 hour 15 minutes, no problems... Sat and talked on IRC while someone
else
> drove. Did notice an increase in latency when in the bad fringe areas,
> usually around 700-900ms latency.
>
> With PTT, the message could easily be cached then sent as soon as singal
> there was available... As for the v60p, its hard to say if it does this
or
> not. Its also the first phone and the first live implimentation. Look
how
> far CDMA itself has come in a rather short time - if the PTT market takes
> off you'll definetly see rapid improvement of the hardware and service
since
> there will be more R&D time spent.
>
> The question is... How many customer does Nextel have that are only with
> Nextel for the PTT but would rather *NOT* be with Nextel for whatever
reason
> (coverage, customer service, ****ty attitude, general userbase 'churn',
> whatever). Also, how many people want PTT service, but can't get nextel
for
> whatever reason (limited coverage - every major CDMA provider will likely
> offer PTT by the 2nd quarter of 2004. If these networks have
> inter-operating PTT coverage, Nextel is *SCREWED* in the way of actual
> coverage - and since their network is proprietary it'll be a serious pain
to
> interconnect Nextel to the much larger network...
>
> Either this will cause Nextel to rapidly push for their own CDMA rollout,
or
> Nextel will go out of business and the spectrum licenses purchased by one
of
> the larger CDMA providers for some sort of proprietary service...
>
> As far as I've seen GPRS/GSM data is pretty lame. My friend had AT&T's
data
> service and a Bluetooth nokia phone. Couldn't break 9k/sec, and the
latency
> was usually around 800ms to the 1st hop. To compare, my 1x vzn 1st hop
> turnaround is ~295-315ms with even a pretty lousy signal, and I can
*always*
> pull at least 14k/sec - topping around 15.5k (sustained download speeds).
> My upload speed is consistantly within 10% of the download speed.
>
> Well, thats how I see it MIGHT turn out... Time will tell the important
> story...
>
> </Flame_Suit>
>
> JS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:05:49 +0000 (UTC), Mitchell Regenbogen
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
> > >small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't
> communicate
> > >at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready
for
> > >prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
> > >than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
> > >merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is
the
> > >only reason for being.
> > >
> > What I'd like to see is for someone to take a PTT Verizon phone from
> > Charleston, SC, and drive it around the SOLID PTT coverage area on
> > their bogus coverage map across southwestern South Carolina, where
> > they MIGHT have marginal CDMA service on the widely-spaced AMPS
> > towers, but it would be a MIRACLE if it has 1X service to make PTT
> > happen.....too funny.
> >
> > Then, when a TRUE PTT coverage map has been established, sue their
> > asses to force THEM to publish a TRUE PTT coverage map, you know, like
> > the one Verizon's sales staff is showing, the TRUE coverage map Nextel
> > produces for the same area.
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
> > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.
>
>