Data Connections

"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> Robert M <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <BCCEDC88.5C9%[email protected]>, DavyDE <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> > Can't hurt, thanks. I suspect I'll end up with the 3G and the
> >> > per MB rate plan at some point, if I use it like my original 2G WW
use,
> >> > since that potential still hold. I'll guess about 1/2Meg email/day +
> >> > text-based newsgroup reading (let's say each message displays as 2K,
> >> > then 100+ message) could add it seems at least 1/4 meg more, a day...
> >> > For say a week even few months. Or is that not considered abuse of
> >> > the Vision web access?
> >>
> >> Sounds like minimal use to me.
> >
> >The thing that seems contradictory to some of us here is the TOS says no
> >use is allowed, but it's only enforced for gigabytes of useage, and the
> >PC card (which is allowed) pricing is so high, it drives consumers to
> >using the cell phone as a modem.
>
> Right, I pretty much just posted that in another thread.
> It's obviously technically possible, and it obviously doesn't
> cost the rates they seem to be seeking or they would ask
> for the fee from people who use it. Or is the issue that
> they have no way of knowing which way you are doing it,
> and high use just seems "impossible" for handheld users?

I use it at work during my night shift. I don't like to tie up the phone
line at work, so to keep me company i use my cell phone on my laptop. It's
not just a ''technical possibility'', its what it is. Ever since vision
launched its been one of the ''perks'' that's i've clearly been enjoying.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Greg Comeau) wrote:

> $55 come fairly equal, and neither being much to worry about either way
> (I can pay that much for lunch.)
>
> >Since you're in the market for a 3G phone anyway, you can check to see if
> >you qualify for a handset upgrade rebate http://pcshandsetupgrade.sprint.com
>
> Can't hurt, thanks. I suspect I'll end up with the 3G and the
> per MB rate plan at some point,

Or perhaps ask for a "Retention Plan" of 750 minutes for $40 + $15
Vision at $55

In article <rmarkoff-77145E.07072018052004
@news06.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
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> The thing that seems contradictory to some of us here is the TOS says no=
=20
> use is allowed, but it's only enforced for gigabytes of useage, and the=
=20
> PC card (which is allowed) pricing is so high, it drives consumers to=20
> using the cell phone as a modem.
>=20

Nobody said it's only enforced for gigabyte use, Phill. You're=20
drawing too much from what has been said. Since I was the one who=20
said it, I can tell you with certainty that I did not say only=20
gigabyte users are getting enforced. I said they are the ones that=20
I've heard from so far.

But I agree with the latter part.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Or is the issue that
> they have no way of knowing which way you are doing it,
> and high use just seems "impossible" for handheld users?
>=20
>=20

No, we can tell. When I look at a user who's been willing to admit=20
it, I can see their tethered usage showing up in our system labelled=20
differently. I refuse to discuss how so, but it *is* apparent.

I have a suspicion there's some technical issue involved that I=20
haven't yet discovered.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>In article <rmarkoff-77145E.07072018052004
>@news06.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
>>=20
>> The thing that seems contradictory to some of us here is the TOS says no=
>=20
>> use is allowed, but it's only enforced for gigabytes of useage, and the=
>=20
>> PC card (which is allowed) pricing is so high, it drives consumers to=20
>> using the cell phone as a modem.
>>=20
>
>Nobody said it's only enforced for gigabyte use, Phill. You're=20
>drawing too much from what has been said. Since I was the one who=20
>said it, I can tell you with certainty that I did not say only=20
>gigabyte users are getting enforced. I said they are the ones that=20
>I've heard from so far.
>
>But I agree with the latter part.
>
>--=20
>R=D8=DF
>O/Siris
>I work for Sprint PCS
>I *don't* speak for them

I realize this may have nothing to do with your work at Sprint,
and this is easy for me to say, but it's still worth tossing out
that it seems you are in a unique position to inform them about this.
(I've complained about WW and will complain about this too now
that I understand it.)
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:

> >
> >Nobody said it's only enforced for gigabyte use, Phill. You're=20
> >drawing too much from what has been said. Since I was the one who=20
> >said it, I can tell you with certainty that I did not say only=20
> >gigabyte users are getting enforced. I said they are the ones that=20
> >I've heard from so far.
> >


You're arguing with yourself.

SprintPCS allows cellphone as modem usage in that no one is stopped from
doing it unless they "abuse" it.

It's the wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy. It's against the TOS, but don't
abuse it, and check with Sanyo for a cable and dial #777.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I realize this may have nothing to do with your work at Sprint,
> and this is easy for me to say, but it's still worth tossing out
> that it seems you are in a unique position to inform them about this.
> (I've complained about WW and will complain about this too now
> that I understand it.)
>=20

I've made the comments, Greg. That's how I know what it is I know.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> It's the wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy. It's against the TOS, but don't=20
> abuse it, and check with Sanyo for a cable and dial #777.
>=20

I notice you're still pathologically incapable of discussion. It's=20
not healthy, Phill. You should seek help.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

Ok, so I got a Samsung VI600 (apparently an SPHA660/512).
And after some confusion, the FutureDial cable for it.
And the SnapDial/SnapSync Combo. Took a while for
Futuredial to get things straight for me due to reoccuring
serial number nonsense and upgrades. Anyway, I've been able
to transfer my phone list (minus fax number, which is
ridiculous). I've also been able to do a network connection
and that seems to work, being able to go to some sites in a
browswer as well as pick up email, albeit slow and jerky,
but I'll take it (it also seem to want to keep reconnecting
in some way, anyway, so be it). I'm left with two sets of issues:

1) I'm still having problem getting SnapDial to work at all due
to serial number nonsense too. Is it worth my even bothering?
What do it do better than the network connection?

2) Is there any way to enhance the network connection?
In other words, what about speed info? Flow control?
error control? Modem compression? I'm assuming to
firewall or not is as normal.
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"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok, so I got a Samsung VI600 (apparently an SPHA660/512).
> And after some confusion, the FutureDial cable for it.
> And the SnapDial/SnapSync Combo. Took a while for
> Futuredial to get things straight for me due to reoccuring
> serial number nonsense and upgrades. Anyway, I've been able
> to transfer my phone list (minus fax number, which is
> ridiculous). I've also been able to do a network connection
> and that seems to work, being able to go to some sites in a
> browswer as well as pick up email, albeit slow and jerky,
> but I'll take it (it also seem to want to keep reconnecting
> in some way, anyway, so be it). I'm left with two sets of issues:
>
> 1) I'm still having problem getting SnapDial to work at all due
> to serial number nonsense too. Is it worth my even bothering?
> What do it do better than the network connection?

I'm guess here that you meant to say "What does it do better ..." If that's
the case, then nothing. You can set up your own DUN, per the instructions I
gave out a couple of days ago.

>
> 2) Is there any way to enhance the network connection?
> In other words, what about speed info? Flow control?
> error control? Modem compression? I'm assuming to
> firewall or not is as normal.

Your firewall shouldn't affect the speed. I have Zone Alarm Pro installed
and it doesn't affect my up and D/L speeds. As for the speeds, what are you
seeing? Have you tried doing a speed test through dslreports.com?

Most, if not all of us (save for Phillipe) are getting 50-80 kbps D/L speeds
with bursts up to 120k on occasion.

Bob

In article <z%[email protected]>,
Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> 2) Is there any way to enhance the network connection?
>> In other words, what about speed info? Flow control?
>> error control? Modem compression? I'm assuming to
>> firewall or not is as normal.
>
>Your firewall shouldn't affect the speed. I have Zone Alarm Pro installed
>and it doesn't affect my up and D/L speeds.

Ok.

What about compression and any other settings?
Do they even matter or do they just get ignored?

>As for the speeds, what are you
>seeing? Have you tried doing a speed test through dslreports.com?

Dunno, just that I thought it was being said it was better than
a normal landline dialup, maybe I misunderstood. I'm unfamiliar
with dslreport and will check it out, for curiosity, since
it (the speed) is what it is, and certainly much better than nothing.

>Most, if not all of us (save for Phillipe) are getting 50-80 kbps D/L speeds
>with bursts up to 120k on occasion.

Well, playing around with Vision last night, I'm not too impressed,
though indeed it's cute and handy (but so was pre-Vision, though
I'm sure I have not played with all aspects of it yet). It doesn't
seem as sexy as I thought it would be, and many of the browser
requests I made seem to have taken a long time including many even failing.
I'm in NYC though don't see why that should matter.
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"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <z%[email protected]>,
> Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> 2) Is there any way to enhance the network connection?
> >> In other words, what about speed info? Flow control?
> >> error control? Modem compression? I'm assuming to
> >> firewall or not is as normal.
> >
> >Your firewall shouldn't affect the speed. I have Zone Alarm Pro installed
> >and it doesn't affect my up and D/L speeds.
>
> Ok.
>
> What about compression and any other settings?
> Do they even matter or do they just get ignored?

I'm no expert on what the phone's browser software, phone hardware & Vision
do in the background, but I don't think it matters.
>
> >As for the speeds, what are you
> >seeing? Have you tried doing a speed test through dslreports.com?
>
> Dunno, just that I thought it was being said it was better than
> a normal landline dialup, maybe I misunderstood. I'm unfamiliar
> with dslreport and will check it out, for curiosity, since
> it (the speed) is what it is, and certainly much better than nothing.
>
Normal dial up is 53k. As mentioned below, most everyone here who have
posted their speeds have averages 50 to 80k with bursts over 120k on
occasion. This is a great improvement of what WW offered @ 14.4k. When SPCS
steps up to the next level and releases EV-DV, burst speeds will be in the
3Mbps range, with average D/L speeds in the area of 1Mbps to 1.5Mbps.

To get those speeds though, one will need a new phone. What's nice though is
that when EV-DV is released all prior 3G phones will be backwards compatible
to operate on the same system. If you want to learn a bit more on this, you
might check out www.cdg.org .

> >Most, if not all of us (save for Phillipe) are getting 50-80 kbps D/L
speeds
> >with bursts up to 120k on occasion.
>
> Well, playing around with Vision last night, I'm not too impressed,
> though indeed it's cute and handy (but so was pre-Vision, though
> I'm sure I have not played with all aspects of it yet). It doesn't
> seem as sexy as I thought it would be, and many of the browser
> requests I made seem to have taken a long time including many even
failing.
> I'm in NYC though don't see why that should matter.

No, it shouldn't, but could ... because of the density of users working off
a tower near you.

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <z%[email protected]>,
>> Bob Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> 2) Is there any way to enhance the network connection?
>> >> In other words, what about speed info? Flow control?
>> >> error control? Modem compression? I'm assuming to
>> >> firewall or not is as normal.
>> >
>> >Your firewall shouldn't affect the speed. I have Zone Alarm Pro installed
>> >and it doesn't affect my up and D/L speeds.
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> What about compression and any other settings?
>> Do they even matter or do they just get ignored?
>
>I'm no expert on what the phone's browser software, phone hardware & Vision
>do in the background, but I don't think it matters.
>>
>> >As for the speeds, what are you
>> >seeing? Have you tried doing a speed test through dslreports.com?
>>
>> Dunno, just that I thought it was being said it was better than
>> a normal landline dialup, maybe I misunderstood. I'm unfamiliar
>> with dslreport and will check it out, for curiosity, since
>> it (the speed) is what it is, and certainly much better than nothing.
>>
>Normal dial up is 53k. As mentioned below, most everyone here who have
>posted their speeds have averages 50 to 80k with bursts over 120k on
>occasion. This is a great improvement of what WW offered @ 14.4k. When SPCS
>steps up to the next level and releases EV-DV, burst speeds will be in the
>3Mbps range, with average D/L speeds in the area of 1Mbps to 1.5Mbps.

I seem to be geting 31/35 it seems. Part of that seems to be
it Pkt Aborting and Calling back in.

>To get those speeds though, one will need a new phone. What's nice though is
>that when EV-DV is released all prior 3G phones will be backwards compatible
>to operate on the same system. If you want to learn a bit more on this, you
>might check out www.cdg.org .

Sounds cool.

>> >Most, if not all of us (save for Phillipe) are getting 50-80 kbps D/L
>speeds
>> >with bursts up to 120k on occasion.
>>
>> Well, playing around with Vision last night, I'm not too impressed,
>> though indeed it's cute and handy (but so was pre-Vision, though
>> I'm sure I have not played with all aspects of it yet). It doesn't
>> seem as sexy as I thought it would be, and many of the browser
>> requests I made seem to have taken a long time including many even
>failing.
>> I'm in NYC though don't see why that should matter.
>
>No, it shouldn't, but could ... because of the density of users working off
>a tower near you.

Lovely.
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