Bus Cell Nazis

Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:32:03 -0500, Vince <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Well I'll tell you I would love such a device that could screen-out
>>my next door neighbor's music and my other next door neighbor's dropping
>>heavy objects and her loud brat.
>
>
> Such a device already exists: it's called buying your own house with a
> few acres of land around it.


Very funny would you like to loan me about a million?

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Wait until folks start complaining about too-loud iPods.



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---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
Pataki+JebBush in 2008!

In <[email protected]> by Scott en Aztl?n
<[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:56 -0800 we perused:

*+-Such a device already exists: it's called buying your own house with a
*+-few acres of land around it.


Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!

Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!


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BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
Pataki+JebBush in 2008!

As I understand it in parts of Pennsylvania, the old Homestead law
still applies and you are entitled to however much forest-edge land
you can clear in a day. Look at the WSJ realty auction pages for
houses being auctioned off in King of Prussia. Like $15k for a house.
Appalachian Crackerdom is still the generatrix of American Liberty!


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Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bio$trategist
BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
Pataki+JebBush in 2008!

[email protected] wrote:
> In <[email protected]> by Scott en Aztl?n
> <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:56 -0800 we perused:
>
> *+-Such a device already exists: it's called buying your own house with a
> *+-few acres of land around it.
>
>
> Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!
>
> Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!
>
>
> - = -
> Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bio$trategist
> BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> Pataki+JebBush in 2008!
>
Yeah well why don't you blow it out your ass.
I live in an apartment house because I have to not because I want to.

For the most part this is a pretty quiet block. This jerk or jerks next
door have a funny way of playing music out of the blue then its quite
again sometimes for days on end. The ***** in the apartment next door
is the larger part of the problem.

[email protected] spake thus:

> In <[email protected]> by Scott en Aztl?n
> <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:56 -0800 we perused:
>
> *+-Such a device already exists: it's called buying your own house with a
> *+-few acres of land around it.
>
> Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!
>
> Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!

You know, even us poor deluded urban dwellers have the right to what's
called "quiet enjoyment". It's in all the laws. You could look it up.


--
The only reason corrupt Republicans rule the roost in Washington
is because the corrupt Democrats can't muster any viable opposition.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
> [email protected] spake thus:
>> Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!
>>
>> Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!
>
> You know, even us poor deluded urban dwellers have the right to what's
> called "quiet enjoyment". It's in all the laws. You could look it up.

His mindless bull**** about everyone who lives in a city being a whiny
welfare leech is just designed to irritate and offend people. I wouldn't
take it seriously.

Bolwerk spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> [email protected] spake thus:
>>
>>> Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!
>>>
>>> Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!
>>
>> You know, even us poor deluded urban dwellers have the right to what's
>> called "quiet enjoyment". It's in all the laws. You could look it up.
>
> His mindless bull**** about everyone who lives in a city being a whiny
> welfare leech is just designed to irritate and offend people. I wouldn't
> take it seriously.

Heh; I don't take *anything* here seriously. After all, this is Usenet ...


--
The only reason corrupt Republicans rule the roost in Washington
is because the corrupt Democrats can't muster any viable opposition.

David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> writes:

> [email protected] spake thus:
>
> > In <[email protected]> by Scott en Aztl?n
> > <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:56 -0800 we perused:
> >
> > *+-Such a device already exists: it's called buying your own house with a
> > *+-few acres of land around it.
> >
> > Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!
> >
> > Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!
>
> You know, even us poor deluded urban dwellers have the right to what's
> called "quiet enjoyment". It's in all the laws. You could look it up.

And you should look up what that phrase means in a legal context.

-- Patrick

David Nebenzahl wrote:
> [email protected] spake thus:
>
>> In <[email protected]> by Scott en Aztl?n
>> <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:56 -0800 we
>> perused:
>>
>> *+-Such a device already exists: it's called buying your own house with a
>> *+-few acres of land around it.
>>
>> Sshh! You're going to burst the fantasy bubble of urbanvermindom!
>>
>> Those mausoleum-dwelling roachdents think they can have it both ways!
>
>
> You know, even us poor deluded urban dwellers have the right to what's
> called "quiet enjoyment". It's in all the laws. You could look it up.
>
>
Bless you, thats right there are laws, BUT its a matter of enforcement.
I do most of my local shopping on 86th St between about 25th Ave and
18th Ave, like most shopping areas the cars pass by blasting their
music, when the cops are there either patrolling and staying in one
place they say nothing to the violators. We live across the street from
the West 16th St parking lot of Harway Terrace, theres this jerk who
runs his car engine for 15 or 20 mins at a time (this is in warm
weather) now I was told by a cop that nothing can be said since the lot
is private C'mon noise is noise. Lastly when we were living in Manhattan
we were having a lot of problems with a young punk who happen to be
a sound tech for STUDIO 54. He had some very large speakers (in a studio
apt. no less), our bedroom walls used to shake. The landlord took him to
court when the kid give testimony he remarked how my wife and I were
home quite a lot. Hey its our apt and besides I was working a three day
12 hour a day work week and was trying to run a home based photo studio.
Guess what we loss the judge said we complained too much. Say what?

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> On 9 Jan 2006 07:47:01 -0800, John Charles Wilson wrote:

> > I can't remember where I read this, but apparently the reason some
> >people can't stand being around cell phone users is they can't help but
> >hear your half of the conversation but don't hear the other half. This
> >causes a discordant brain signal not unlike hearing a schizophrenic
> >play a piano.

The issue also has something to do with the dynamics of the sound in
question.

Most people can quickly 'acclimate' to a relatively steady amount of
noise, even if this noise is rather loud.

A one-sided conversation (such as someone speaking on a cell phone),
on the other hand, is not steady. It is >noise< <silence> >noise<
<silence> >noise< ..., which means that every time the cell phone
user speaks, it is a new intrusion.


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greg byshenk - [email protected] - Leiden, NL

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:07:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán wrote:

>>You know, even us poor deluded urban dwellers have the right to what's
>>called "quiet enjoyment". It's in all the laws. You could look it up.
>
>Yeah, but good luck getting anyone to enforce it.

"Quiet enjoyment" does not refer to freedom from loud naises.

It refers to freedom from legal interference with possession, use,
or tenancy. It is enforced by civil suit.

Real Estate Law 101.

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Phil Kane -- Beaverton, Oregon
PNW Milepost 754 -- Tillamook District

Phil Kane wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:07:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
>
> "Quiet enjoyment" does not refer to freedom from loud naises.
>

Just how loud is the average naise in the states? We don't have them
here (in the UK).

We do have millions of cell phones though and everyone, of every
generation, carries one (at least one) and we all talk on them when on
trains and buses and in our cars and walking along the street. Many of
us were annoyed at first by public use, especially when users insisted
on shouting but now most people tune out or are too busy speaking
themselves, to some remote companion, to even notice those around them
exist.

This is all a bit strange as we English are a quiet and reserved bunch
who rarely ever acknowledge the existence of strangers on trains and
virtually never speak to each other. We have kept that reserve and yet
we drop it completely when cellphones are involved. I recently
overheard a woman, on a train, speaking unusually loudly to a company
from whom she was obviously buying some item and she gave her credit
card details, security number and all, in a voice loud enough for
everyone in the car to copy it and fleece her account!

Also, at least a third of cellphone users now wear bluetooth earpieces
so small they are unnoticeable and they (and I) walk and talk seemingly
to the air and nobody takes any notice, those who are surprised look
guilty immediately; not because they have overheard but because they
feel they should have realised an earpiece was in use and they feel
outdated.

I travelled home this evening on a train from which I called three
different people; one an old friend because I had spare time to catch
up with him; one a colleague, to discuss work next week and one was the
friend meeting us at the station with a car, at least a third of my
fellow travellers will have made that all important call to verify
collection times. My wife meanwhile was on her bluetooth and using her
cellphone (located in her handbag - "purse" to you) to call her mother
in Massachusetts, that call was not answered as it seems the citizens
in the US do not carry or answer their phones when travelling!

One last point: most trains in the UK have sections, for those who
desire peace and quiet, where cellphones and ipods are banned as are
all game devices and the device which annoys most is whichever is
attached to the ubiquitous wired earpieces (ipods and increasingly here
we use cellphones as mp3 players) and producing the irritating tinny
whine which seems to tonelessly match the sound of a mosquito.

Do Americans really still react to cellphones so badly? How last week
is that?

Regards to all
BBW

On 26 Jan 2006 16:41:08 -0800, "BigBadWolf" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Phil Kane wrote:

>We do have millions of cell phones though and everyone, of every
>generation, carries one (at least one) and we all talk on them when on
>trains and buses and in our cars and walking along the street. Many of
>us were annoyed at first by public use, especially when users insisted
>on shouting but now most people tune out or are too busy speaking
>themselves, to some remote companion, to even notice those around them
>exist.

Many people here still talk quite loudly on them. Some of us have
figured out that you can actually talk quite quietly and have them
work, but surprisingly many have not.

I'm so quiet on cell phones that I frequently get the "sorry, didn't
know you were on the phone" look from people, but I also am on a cell
phone a few hours a day. Lots of practice.

>This is all a bit strange as we English are a quiet and reserved bunch
>who rarely ever acknowledge the existence of strangers on trains and
>virtually never speak to each other. We have kept that reserve and yet
>we drop it completely when cellphones are involved. I recently
>overheard a woman, on a train, speaking unusually loudly to a company
>from whom she was obviously buying some item and she gave her credit
>card details, security number and all, in a voice loud enough for
>everyone in the car to copy it and fleece her account!

Is identity theft equally easy over there? I hear the same thing
happen sometimes here, and have had people email me their credit card
number while inquiring about a purchase (and no, I didn't ask for it),
just because some people are oblivious to the dangers of sharing
information they should not.

>Also, at least a third of cellphone users now wear bluetooth earpieces
>so small they are unnoticeable and they (and I) walk and talk seemingly
>to the air and nobody takes any notice, those who are surprised look
>guilty immediately; not because they have overheard but because they
>feel they should have realised an earpiece was in use and they feel
>outdated.

The problem with those is like a handset, some people still yell into
them. If you think it'd be fun to be on a bus with them, take a call
from one while wearing an earpiece. You can take it out and still
hear them. When one of my friends calls I can set it on my desk and
hear him, but he's just a loud ****er.

>I travelled home this evening on a train from which I called three
>different people; one an old friend because I had spare time to catch
>up with him; one a colleague, to discuss work next week and one was the
>friend meeting us at the station with a car, at least a third of my
>fellow travellers will have made that all important call to verify
>collection times. My wife meanwhile was on her bluetooth and using her
>cellphone (located in her handbag - "purse" to you) to call her mother
>in Massachusetts, that call was not answered as it seems the citizens
>in the US do not carry or answer their phones when travelling!

I know a few people in the older generations (usually 50+) who have
cell phones they leave turned off unless they need to dial 911. The
general attitude seems to be, "if someone needs to reach me, call my
house and leave a message." Whatever, it's their choice.

>One last point: most trains in the UK have sections, for those who
>desire peace and quiet, where cellphones and ipods are banned as are
>all game devices and the device which annoys most is whichever is
>attached to the ubiquitous wired earpieces (ipods and increasingly here
>we use cellphones as mp3 players) and producing the irritating tinny
>whine which seems to tonelessly match the sound of a mosquito.

That'd be a nice idea. If only every business had a no-cell section.
Many still have parts of the old non-smoking areas, so they could push
them over there. Maybe stick the children there too, since some cell
users are only slightly less annoying than a screaming three year old.

>Do Americans really still react to cellphones so badly? How last week
>is that?

We react badly to impolite use. Using them in a lobby, or outdoors,
or any other appropriate setting won't bother anyone. Use it in a
small diner, yelling into an earpiece, and you're likely to piss
someone off. Get on a trolley and talk over everyone else on the car,
you'll be pissing someone off too. It's all about discretion in the
USA.

Dave

SD Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 26 Jan 2006 16:41:08 -0800, "BigBadWolf" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Phil Kane wrote:
>
>>We do have millions of cell phones though and everyone, of every
>>generation, carries one (at least one) and we all talk on them when on
>>trains and buses and in our cars and walking along the street. Many of
>>us were annoyed at first by public use, especially when users insisted
>>on shouting but now most people tune out or are too busy speaking
>>themselves, to some remote companion, to even notice those around them
>>exist.
>
>Many people here still talk quite loudly on them. Some of us have
>figured out that you can actually talk quite quietly and have them
>work, but surprisingly many have not.
>
>I'm so quiet on cell phones that I frequently get the "sorry, didn't
>know you were on the phone" look from people, but I also am on a cell
>phone a few hours a day. Lots of practice.

I think one of the reasons I suspect for people yelling into cell
phones stems from it's modern design. When the bricks first came out
in the 1980s the distance from ear piece to microphone was about the
same as a standard wireline handset. That distance has not changed
much over the past 60 years and is still the same today. However cell
phones have gone thru an evolutionary change of design where the
microphone is now about 2 ~ 3 inches from the from the ear piece so
the perceptions is that you have to talk louder for the sound to get
all the way to the microphone..