Ever so slightly OT - Mobile phone ring tones

>> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
>> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
>> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
>> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
>> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
>> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
>> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all the
>> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
>> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
>> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
>> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones to
>> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
>> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
>> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
>> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
>> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
>> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may be
> wrong.
>

Just give it back and tell him to get ****ed/forget to mention the lack of
ringtones.
Also get a copy of the bill and pay it yourself, instead of giving him the
cash to pay it.

BTW... How the hell did you manage to delete the ringtones on a 5110?
They're part of the firmware...

-mark

-mark

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mark jb wrote:
> >> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
> >> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
> >> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
> >> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
> >> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
> >> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
> >> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all the
> >> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
> >> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
> >> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
> >> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones to
> >> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
> >> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
> >> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
> >> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
> >> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
> >> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >
> > I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may be
> > wrong.
> >
>
> Just give it back and tell him to get ****ed/forget to mention the lack of
> ringtones.
> Also get a copy of the bill and pay it yourself, instead of giving him the
> cash to pay it.

Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
legal responsibilities.

On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> legal responsibilities.

If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.

Horry wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >> legal responsibilities.
> >
> > If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
>
> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> company, NOT the original poster.

Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
address of each person who made a call.

Horry wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0800, TFGM wrote:
>
> > Horry wrote:
> >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>
> >>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>
> >> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >> company, NOT the original poster.
> >
> > Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> > the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> > the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> > billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> > address of each person who made a call.
>
> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> way in which they are.
>
> A lot of people seem not to understand these basic points.

You sure are right there. The only way this could be possible would be
if everyone on the planet had their own unique code that had to be
entered into the phone before you could make a call (except for 911
calls of course). But with a world population of over 6000 million
people, it would be a mightly long set of digits to enter in to make a
simple call (except for 911 calls of course). So even though it
wouldn't be impossible, it would certainly be complicated.

The whole thread has been initiated by this troll

"TFGM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> mark jb wrote:
>> >> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
>> >> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
>> >> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with
>> >> the
>> >> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
>> >> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
>> >> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
>> >> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all
>> >> the
>> >> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
>> >> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
>> >> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
>> >> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones
>> >> to
>> >> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
>> >> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
>> >> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
>> >> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
>> >> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
>> >> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
>> >> Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may
>> > be
>> > wrong.
>> >
>>
>> Just give it back and tell him to get ****ed/forget to mention the lack
>> of
>> ringtones.
>> Also get a copy of the bill and pay it yourself, instead of giving him
>> the
>> cash to pay it.
>
> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> legal responsibilities.
>

You are a ****wit. Irrespective of whose name the contract is in (and has
legal responsibility), if you were in any-way decent, you would reimburse
him for all the calls that have been made by your mum whilst she used the
phone. Crikey, the bloke was good enough to loan you the phone (were you too
miserable to buy a prepaid) yet you have the hide and audacity to complain
when he expects the phone back and reimbursement for the calls. Loonie you
are!

"TFGM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Horry wrote:
>> On 21 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0800, TFGM wrote:
>>
>> > Horry wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
>> >>>> legal responsibilities.
>> >>>
>> >>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay
>> >>> the bill.
>> >>
>> >> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
>> >> company, NOT the original poster.
>> >
>> > Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
>> > the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
>> > the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
>> > billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
>> > address of each person who made a call.
>>
>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the
>> telco
>> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn
>> the
>> way in which they are.
>>
>> A lot of people seem not to understand these basic points.
>
> You sure are right there. The only way this could be possible would be
> if everyone on the planet had their own unique code that had to be
> entered into the phone before you could make a call (except for 911
> calls of course). But with a world population of over 6000 million
> people, it would be a mightly long set of digits to enter in to make a
> simple call (except for 911 calls of course). So even though it
> wouldn't be impossible, it would certainly be complicated.
>

Horry wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:14:31 +1100, thegoons wrote:
>
> > You are a ****wit. Irrespective of whose name the contract is in (and has
> > legal responsibility), if you were in any-way decent, you would reimburse
> > him for all the calls that have been made by your mum whilst she used the
> > phone. Crikey, the bloke was good enough to loan you the phone (were you too
> > miserable to buy a prepaid) yet you have the hide and audacity to complain
> > when he expects the phone back and reimbursement for the calls. Loonie you
> > are!
>
> Hello? We were talking about the *legal* position, not your sense of
> morality.

Whatever happened to that woman who used to tell people to read what is
typed and not what they think is typed. It's moments like this that I
really miss her.

Horry wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:28:40 +1100, Josh B wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:59:15 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
> > personalities) said......
> >
> >
> >>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>>>
> >>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >>>> company, NOT the original poster.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> >>> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> >>> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> >>> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> >>> address of each person who made a call.
> >>
> >> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> >> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> >> way in which they are.
> >
> > What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
> > before each phone call was made?
>
> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
> mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your address
> before each call.

To stop fraud, they could require you to send your name and address via
an sms message before each call, plus a unique 10 digit pin number that
is unique to each different person in the world. That way, the carrier
could check your details against your number before each call. It would
also help reduce unemployment too.

Josh B wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:59:14 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
> personalities) said......
>
>
> > >>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> > >>>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> > >>>>>> legal responsibilities.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> > >>>> company, NOT the original poster.
> > >>>
> > >>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> > >>> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> > >>> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> > >>> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> > >>> address of each person who made a call.
> > >>
> > >> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> > >> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> > >> way in which they are.
> > >
> > > What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
> > > before each phone call was made?
> >
> > Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
> > mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your address
> > before each call.
>
> The Big Three Carriers could have hundreds of teams constantly mobilised
> in each suburb of Australia. As soon as an SMS comes in it would be sent
> to a team who would visit the address and check if the person lived there.
> If no one was at home they could look through the mail box.
>
> The smaller carriers could contract one of the Big Three to do this for
> them.

Now that's just stupid.
Wouldn't it be easier just to bill the OWNER of the phone?

Horry wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:42:45 +1100, Josh B wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:59:14 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
> > personalities) said......
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>>>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>>>>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >>>>>> company, NOT the original poster.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> >>>>> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> >>>>> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> >>>>> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> >>>>> address of each person who made a call.
> >>>>
> >>>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> >>>> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> >>>> way in which they are.
> >>>
> >>> What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
> >>> before each phone call was made?
> >>
> >> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
> >> mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your address
> >> before each call.
> >
> > The Big Three Carriers could have hundreds of teams constantly mobilised
> > in each suburb of Australia. As soon as an SMS comes in it would be sent
> > to a team who would visit the address and check if the person lived there.
> > If no one was at home they could look through the mail box.
> >
> > The smaller carriers could contract one of the Big Three to do this for
> > them.
>
> Now THAT'S just stupid.

Another way would be for the phone to take a picture of the person
making the call and sending it to the carrier where it is scanned and
automatically matched against their database to determine the name and
details of the person making the call.

TFGM <[email protected]> wrote:
> Horry wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:28:40 +1100, Josh B wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:59:15 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
>>> personalities) said......
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and
>>>>>>>> legally it is HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need
>>>>>>>> to face up to thier legal responsibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility
>>>>>>> to pay the bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with
>>>>>> mobile company, NOT the original poster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather
>>>>> than the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER
>>>>> who gets the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how
>>>>> complicated the billing process would be if the telco had to
>>>>> determine the name and address of each person who made a call.
>>>>
>>>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is
>>>> the telco to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile
>>>> contracts are drawn the way in which they are.
>>>
>>> What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and
>>> address before each phone call was made?
>>
>> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
>> mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your
>> address before each call.
>
> To stop fraud, they could require you to send your name and address
> via an sms message before each call, plus a unique 10 digit pin
> number that is unique to each different person in the world. That
> way, the carrier could check your details against your number before
> each call.

Wouldnt stop fraud, I'd just use your number too, stupid.

> It would also help reduce unemployment too.

No it wouldnt, it would have to be automated.

TFGM <[email protected]> wrote:
> Horry wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:42:45 +1100, Josh B wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:59:14 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
>>> personalities) said......
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and
>>>>>>>>>> legally it is HIS responsibility to pay. People like him
>>>>>>>>>> need to face up to thier legal responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR*
>>>>>>>>> responsibility to pay the bill.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with
>>>>>>>> with mobile company, NOT the original poster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER
>>>>>>> rather than the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's
>>>>>>> the OWNER who gets the bill, not whoever used the phone.
>>>>>>> Imagine how complicated the billing process would be if the
>>>>>>> telco had to determine the name and address of each person who
>>>>>>> made a call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is
>>>>>> the telco to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile
>>>>>> contracts are drawn the way in which they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and
>>>>> address before each phone call was made?
>>>>
>>>> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud
>>>> prevention mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh
>>>> B" and your address before each call.
>>>
>>> The Big Three Carriers could have hundreds of teams constantly
>>> mobilised in each suburb of Australia. As soon as an SMS comes in
>>> it would be sent to a team who would visit the address and check if
>>> the person lived there. If no one was at home they could look
>>> through the mail box.
>>>
>>> The smaller carriers could contract one of the Big Three to do this
>>> for them.
>>
>> Now THAT'S just stupid.
>
> Another way would be for the phone to take a picture of the person
> making the call and sending it to the carrier where it is scanned and
> automatically matched against their database to determine the name and
> details of the person making the call.

Wouldnt work with Horry, he's so ugly all the cameras
just melt whenever they are pointed at him.

Rod Speed wrote:
> TFGM <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Horry wrote:
> >> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:42:45 +1100, Josh B wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:59:14 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
> >>> personalities) said......
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and
> >>>>>>>>>> legally it is HIS responsibility to pay. People like him
> >>>>>>>>>> need to face up to thier legal responsibilities.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR*
> >>>>>>>>> responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with
> >>>>>>>> with mobile company, NOT the original poster.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER
> >>>>>>> rather than the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's
> >>>>>>> the OWNER who gets the bill, not whoever used the phone.
> >>>>>>> Imagine how complicated the billing process would be if the
> >>>>>>> telco had to determine the name and address of each person who
> >>>>>>> made a call.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is
> >>>>>> the telco to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile
> >>>>>> contracts are drawn the way in which they are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and
> >>>>> address before each phone call was made?
> >>>>
> >>>> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud
> >>>> prevention mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh
> >>>> B" and your address before each call.
> >>>
> >>> The Big Three Carriers could have hundreds of teams constantly
> >>> mobilised in each suburb of Australia. As soon as an SMS comes in
> >>> it would be sent to a team who would visit the address and check if
> >>> the person lived there. If no one was at home they could look
> >>> through the mail box.
> >>>
> >>> The smaller carriers could contract one of the Big Three to do this
> >>> for them.
> >>
> >> Now THAT'S just stupid.
> >
> > Another way would be for the phone to take a picture of the person
> > making the call and sending it to the carrier where it is scanned and
> > automatically matched against their database to determine the name and
> > details of the person making the call.
>
> Wouldnt work with Horry, he's so ugly all the cameras
> just melt whenever they are pointed at him.

Hey Rod, most people stopped using the old 'you're so ugly a camera
would melt when pointed at you' joke when they reached grade 2.

Rod Speed wrote:

> > To stop fraud, they could require you to send your name and address
> > via an sms message before each call, plus a unique 10 digit pin
> > number that is unique to each different person in the world. That
> > way, the carrier could check your details against your number before
> > each call.
>
> Wouldnt stop fraud, I'd just use your number too, stupid.

If someone was silly enough to provide you with their 10 digit unique
identifying code, then they deserve to be defrauded don't you think?