Push Email in Australia

In Japan, every mobile telco and every handset (even the most cheapo
handsets) enable the live reception of e-mail. The handset is not setup to
poll every 5/10/30 minutes, the e-mail is received realtime.And you are not
charged any extra to have this service, apart from a per-email transmission
cost (no Next-G data volume charges).

I recognise that apart from the latest 3G standard networks in Japan, the
rest run on proprietary non-standard frequencies/protocols.

However, in Australia, I am unaware of any such facility existing on
GSM/3G/Next-G networks, apart from when using a Blackberry. You can sort of
do it with '3' by setting a short poll time on your handset and using their
POP server system. How about with Next-G, would you get charged exorbidantly
for each poll? The Telstra website shows you how to login to Bigpond on
Next-G handset, however this doesnt help in notifying when u have a new mail
message.

Any comments on ways around this?



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thegoons wrote:
> However, in Australia, I am unaware of any such facility existing on
> GSM/3G/Next-G networks, apart from when using a Blackberry. You can sort of
> do it with '3' by setting a short poll time on your handset and using their
> POP server system.

If an email is sent via 3 to a handset with a HIGH PRIORITY, an SMS is
sent to that handset with the Originator and Subject (up to the 160
character limit of course). I don't think it is actually documented
anywhere but I use as a pager.


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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:45:03 -0000 Paul Day may have written:
> And how much data is used in the keepalives to keep the IMAP session
> active?

It would appear none. IMAP's IDLE capability is apparently
heartbeat-less.

PD

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davmel wrote...

> If your mail server doesn't offer IMAP access than go elsewhere, and if
> you can't because you've locked yourself into a email address that has a
> domain that YOU don't control then you only have yourself to blame.

Gee, you make it sound like some sort of geek-crime not to have a domain that
you can control.

Presumably you do realise that the rest of us who don't give a **** about this
sort of **** wouldn't have a ****ing clue as to what you're on about, nor do we
care. As long as the phone or the email works, that's all that matters.


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thegoons wrote...

However, in Australia, I am unaware of any such facility existing on
> GSM/3G/Next-G networks, apart from when using a Blackberry. You can sort of
> do it with '3' by setting a short poll time on your handset and using their
> POP server system. How about with Next-G, would you get charged exorbidantly
> for each poll? The Telstra website shows you how to login to Bigpond on
> Next-G handset, however this doesnt help in notifying when u have a new mail
> message.

What if you're not a Bigpond customer? I'm not, so I don't have an email account
with BP. While I would use its services when I connect to the 'net with my NextG
phone, I would use my standard ISP's email service either setting up a POP/SMTP
account on the phone, or simply using the webmail service that my ISP provides.

Either way, I'm charged a fair bit in data charges, whether it be pay as you go
or via one of Telstra's data packs.

So, I would prefer to SMS or to receive SMSes from people when I'm away and read
the emails when I get home.

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Marts wrote:
> davmel wrote...
>
>> If your mail server doesn't offer IMAP access than go elsewhere, and if
>> you can't because you've locked yourself into a email address that has a
>> domain that YOU don't control then you only have yourself to blame.
>
> Gee, you make it sound like some sort of geek-crime not to have a domain that
> you can control.
>
> Presumably you do realise that the rest of us who don't give a **** about this
> sort of **** wouldn't have a ****ing clue as to what you're on about, nor do we
> care. As long as the phone or the email works, that's all that matters.

Yeah, but then the rest of you start whining about why you can't keep
your email address when you move ISP or why you lose your email address
when your ISP or virtual email provider kicks the bucket.

If you really didn't care then you wouldn't post a reply so you're just
a delusional hypocrite.

Marts wrote:
> thegoons wrote...
>
> However, in Australia, I am unaware of any such facility existing on
>> GSM/3G/Next-G networks, apart from when using a Blackberry. You can sort of
>> do it with '3' by setting a short poll time on your handset and using their
>> POP server system. How about with Next-G, would you get charged exorbidantly
>> for each poll? The Telstra website shows you how to login to Bigpond on
>> Next-G handset, however this doesnt help in notifying when u have a new mail
>> message.
>
> What if you're not a Bigpond customer? I'm not, so I don't have an email account
> with BP. While I would use its services when I connect to the 'net with my NextG
> phone, I would use my standard ISP's email service either setting up a POP/SMTP
> account on the phone, or simply using the webmail service that my ISP provides.
>
> Either way, I'm charged a fair bit in data charges, whether it be pay as you go
> or via one of Telstra's data packs.
>
> So, I would prefer to SMS or to receive SMSes from people when I'm away and read
> the emails when I get home.

Telstra provides that service for BigPond/telstra.com email users:
http://telstra.com/comms/alerts/about.asp?

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:05:12 +1000 Marts may have written:
> > If your mail server doesn't offer IMAP access than go elsewhere, and
> > if you can't because you've locked yourself into a email address
> > that has a domain that YOU don't control then you only have yourself
> > to blame.
>
> Gee, you make it sound like some sort of geek-crime not to have a domain that
> you can control.

Doesn't cost much or take much kloo to buy a .id.au and have it hosted
somewhere...

And if you don't care, why are you even reading a comms newsgroup?

PD

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:32:02 +1000 davmel may have written:
> Telstra provides that service for BigPond/telstra.com email users:
> http://telstra.com/comms/alerts/about.asp?

Pity it works about as well as a colander used as a bucket. Nothing like
getting the SMS 12 hours after the email, if at all.

PD

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Paul Day wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:32:02 +1000 davmel may have written:
>> Telstra provides that service for BigPond/telstra.com email users:
>> http://telstra.com/comms/alerts/about.asp?
>
> Pity it works about as well as a colander used as a bucket. Nothing like
> getting the SMS 12 hours after the email, if at all.

Yeah, BigPond's mail system has been screwed up since inception and
truly is a 'best effort' system with no guarantees.
Avoid it like the plague.

"davmel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Paul Day wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:32:02 +1000 davmel may have written:
>>> Telstra provides that service for BigPond/telstra.com email users:
>>> http://telstra.com/comms/alerts/about.asp?
>>
>> Pity it works about as well as a colander used as a bucket. Nothing like
>> getting the SMS 12 hours after the email, if at all.
>
> Yeah, BigPond's mail system has been screwed up since inception and truly
> is a 'best effort' system with no guarantees.

That's their 'best effort'? How sad........

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"Will Kemp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:45:58 +1000, Kwyjibo wrote:
>
>> "davmel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Paul Day wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:32:02 +1000 davmel may have written:
>>>>> Telstra provides that service for BigPond/telstra.com email users:
>>>>> http://telstra.com/comms/alerts/about.asp?
>>>>
>>>> Pity it works about as well as a colander used as a bucket. Nothing
>>>> like getting the SMS 12 hours after the email, if at all.
>>>
>>> Yeah, BigPond's mail system has been screwed up since inception and
>>> truly is a 'best effort' system with no guarantees.
>>
>> That's their 'best effort'? How sad........
>
> Sadly, tel$cum's best effort has never been very good - and it seems to
> be getting worse.
>
> That's particularly true with their internet stuff. The telstra.com web
> site is the slowest site i've ever come across - except for sites that
> were hosted on very slow network connections, like dialup.
>
> Anyone remember when MelbourneIT (a section of Telstra at the time)

I don't remember MelbourneIT ever being a part of Telstra????

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davmel wrote...

> If you really didn't care then you wouldn't post a reply so you're just
> a delusional hypocrite.

Ooh, hit a nerve, did we?

davmel wrote...

> > So, I would prefer to SMS or to receive SMSes from people when I'm away and read
> > the emails when I get home.
>
> Telstra provides that service for BigPond/telstra.com email users:
> http://telstra.com/comms/alerts/about.asp?

I'm talking about using SMS between people, not getting email alerts via SMS. I
s'pose that if you're a business customer and can offset the 25c/SMS then it's
probably OK. But if I get say, 40 messages a day, that's $10 a day. Over a few
days that'd soon add up.

Anyway, it's confusing, the last bit about applying for it.

Well, this bit here, is...

"If you are an existing Telstra BigPond customer or you already have a
telstra.com email account, Email Alerts will work directly with your existing
account. If you are a Telstra BigPond customer you will need to sign up to
telstra.com before registering for Email Alerts."

It says in the first sentence that you can get alerts if you're either a BP
customer or have a Telstra.com account. In the second sentence it says that
you're a BP customer you have to sign up with telstra.com...

Unless I'm reading it wrong, and that's always a possibility, then I think that
whoever wrote this didn't get it proof read.

davmel wrote...

> Yeah, but then the rest of you start whining about why you can't keep
> your email address when you move ISP or why you lose your email address
> when your ISP or virtual email provider kicks the bucket.

You don't hear me whining about it. At the same time, I'm not making a huge
issue out of it like what you are, either.

> If you really didn't care then you wouldn't post a reply so you're just
> a delusional hypocrite.

If you say so. My point is that some of you guys go overboard about matters that
are so trivial as to be almost pathetic.