Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

Snit <[email protected]> writes:

> Todd Allcock stated in post n%[email protected] on 5/17/10
> 9:48 PM:
>
>> I wanted to like Maemo, but it seems pretty unpolished. When a slick
>> phone like the iPhone is missing a basic feature it looks like a design
>> decision. when Mameo is missing a basic feature it feels like no one got
>> around to it!
>
> This is how I, and many, feel about many OSS programs on Linux... nobody
> ever got around to fixing some basic oddities and clear problems. It is one
> of the things that keeps desktop Linux from really taking off.

Usual response : "problem? patches welcome".

Interestingly the only two people ("advocates") here who post under their real names
(and fair play to them for that) are Windows programmers and still dont
seem to realise that most (not all) of the best FOSS SW is also on
Windows and yet they, themselves, contribute NOTHING to GPL code base.

Hypocrites? Let the reader decide.

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On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:09:54 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> I agree Nokia "wanders around" way too much. All the tablets seem
>> "abandoned" now as I don't expect we'll ever see an N800/N810-friendly
>> MeeBo OS to ever materialize. The hackers are still expanding the
>> tablets' app base, though, at least for a while....plenty of toys to play
>> with.
>
>I think the "wandering around" is a good thing, though- it allows a company
>as large as Nokia to get real feedback from end users, rather just from
>internal testing, or focus groups. Nokia's playing a long game- they are
>certainly large enough to make a few mistakes, and that's fine, as long as
>they learn something from them.

Such "wandering around" is a big part of what got Motorola into so much
trouble. (It's all too easy to forget that Motorola once led the cell
phone market the way Nokia does now.) Focus, as demonstrated by Apple
under Jobs, tends to be a much more successful business strategy than
"wandering around".

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

On Wed, 19 May 2010 17:23:07 -0600, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>At 19 May 2010 09:08:53 -0700 John Navas wrote:

>> Such "wandering around" is a big part of what got Motorola into so much
>> trouble. (It's all too easy to forget that Motorola once led the cell
>> phone market the way Nokia does now.) Focus, as demonstrated by Apple
>> under Jobs, tends to be a much more successful business strategy than
>> "wandering around".
>
>I'm not sure it was wandering that got Motorolainto trouble as much as
>the lack of wandering- once the RAZR was a runaway hit, Motorola's
>definition of innovation became limited to painting the RAZR different
>colors!

Knowledgeable folks both inside and outside the company have pointed to
a proliferation of models on >> too many platforms << with too little to
distinguish them; e.g., (October 2008)

<http://www.internetnews.com/mobility/article.php/3781456/Motorola-to-Pare-Down-Staff-Mobile-OS-Support.htm>

Embattled No. 3 mobile phone maker Motorola is expected to announce
layoffs and a restructuring of its mobile platform strategy during
its third-quarter earnings report tomorrow.

According to today's Wall Street Journal the Schaumberg,
Illinois-based company is dumping three of its mobile operating
systems to focus on Windows Mobile, Android and P2K OS, its
proprietary Linux-based platform. Motorola also has used Qualcomm's
BREW, Nokia-owned Symbian and the Symbian-based UIQ.

...

But it's reducing mobile platforms that Dulaney and other observers
say is a key step -- and long overdue.

"They've just had too many platforms and they've been under pressure
to reduce them as they're facing a crisis in software," Dulaney said,
adding that he hopes Motorola will also step up its support of
Android, given its openness and its lack of license fee costs.

<http://seekingalpha.com/article/100734-motorola-s-android-phone-too-little-too-late>

While Motorola can stir up some excitement with an Android phone, the
company is still burdened by building phones on too many different
platforms. Some Moto phones are still running a Moto operating system
called P2K, which was supposed to die in 2004. Some run Windows
Mobile. A lot of underlying software gets tweaked for specific phones
and specific carriers. All this adds to Moto's time to getting a
phone to market. (Nokia, by contrast, builds all its phones on one
software platform.)

Jha is trying to untangle this mess, but it's still a mess.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

"Good judgment comes from experience,
and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." -Will Rogers

On Thu, 20 May 2010 23:53:50 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:

>Most of the rest of the planet runs on Symbian, soon to be upgraded across
>the planet to Symbian 3. One wonders what our handsets would be doing
>today without all this odd proprietary bull**** spinning off in different
>directions. Too bad, just like in computers. We got lucky there. The
>PUBLIC and BUSINESS decided DOS was the operating system of choice that
>lead us into having personal computers everyone's software ran on, instead
>of the hodgepodge of operating systems spinning off in incompatible
>directions before the first IBM PC was built. That was horrible. Even
>BASIC programs wouldn't run as they were all different.
>
>Sometimes it just doesn't make sense.

Depends of personal taste and perspective.
I'm not a fan of Symbian.
I prefer Palm, iPhone, and Android.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

"At every crossway on the road that leads to the future, each progressive
spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard the past." -Maeterlinck

On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:56:07 +0200, Hadron wrote:


> The current versions/distro hell that is muddying the waters in Android
> land will hopefully be cleaned up.
>
> There is hardly a single 3rd party app in the Market that does not have at least one
> "doesn't work on Phone XYZ" or "freezes on phone ABC" comment.
>
> I am currently targeting Android development and the API changes and
> things to consider are quite daunting compared to a single platform
> development for the customer favorite iPhone.

I'm thinking of buying one of these (Verizon) but the lack of
compatibility with applications vs versions is scaring me away.

Sounds much like the typical Linux fragmentation and confusion
with 500+ distributions.
Too many Indians and no chief.

P.S For the Verizon guys, which Android is *the one* to get?
I'm due for my new every two years upgrade.
TIA

Moshe <[email protected]> writes:

> On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:56:07 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> The current versions/distro hell that is muddying the waters in Android
>> land will hopefully be cleaned up.
>>
>> There is hardly a single 3rd party app in the Market that does not have at least one
>> "doesn't work on Phone XYZ" or "freezes on phone ABC" comment.
>>
>> I am currently targeting Android development and the API changes and
>> things to consider are quite daunting compared to a single platform
>> development for the customer favorite iPhone.
>
> I'm thinking of buying one of these (Verizon) but the lack of
> compatibility with applications vs versions is scaring me away.
>
> Sounds much like the typical Linux fragmentation and confusion
> with 500+ distributions.
> Too many Indians and no chief.
>
> P.S For the Verizon guys, which Android is *the one* to get?
> I'm due for my new every two years upgrade.
> TIA


I would recommend the HTC Incredible. Great HW.

I use a Motorola Milestone myself and following the upgrade to 2.1 (you
need Windows to do it) its great. Battery life sucks of course, but you
can't have it all.

On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:21:39 -0400, Moshe <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:56:07 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>
>> The current versions/distro hell that is muddying the waters in Android
>> land will hopefully be cleaned up.
>>
>> There is hardly a single 3rd party app in the Market that does not have at least one
>> "doesn't work on Phone XYZ" or "freezes on phone ABC" comment.
>>
>> I am currently targeting Android development and the API changes and
>> things to consider are quite daunting compared to a single platform
>> development for the customer favorite iPhone.
>
>I'm thinking of buying one of these (Verizon) but the lack of
>compatibility with applications vs versions is scaring me away.
>
>Sounds much like the typical Linux fragmentation and confusion
>with 500+ distributions.
>Too many Indians and no chief.

While there are some problems, my own experience is that such problems
are more an annoyance for developers than for users, that it shouldn't
scare you away.

>P.S For the Verizon guys, which Android is *the one* to get?
>I'm due for my new every two years upgrade.

The HTC Incredible is, well, incredible.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> According to today's Wall Street Journal the Schaumberg,
> Illinois-based company is dumping three of its mobile operating
> systems to focus on Windows Mobile, Android and P2K OS, its
> proprietary Linux-based platform. Motorola also has used Qualcomm's
> BREW, Nokia-owned Symbian and the Symbian-based UIQ.
>
>

As usual, America will be splitting off from the mainstream standardization
of the rest of the planet so it cannot attract cutting edge technologies
from other countries (115VAC, 60 Hz, NTSC TV, 88-108Mhz 200Khz deviation FM
radio, CDMA and other odd phones, odd frequency bands noone else supports
for all kinds of services and other half-assed, poorly engineered,
corporation-proprietary-centered goofy ideas to try to isolate the American
consumer so the FCC-favored corporations can fleece them without proper
competition. This stupidity continues with ATSC digital TV, Ubiquity AM
and FM digital stereo, and other continually goofy isolation schemes so
your goddamned sellphone won't work if you fly to almost any other country
on the planet. My condolences to the Canadians for dragging you people
into our stupidities.

Most of the rest of the planet runs on Symbian, soon to be upgraded across
the planet to Symbian 3. One wonders what our handsets would be doing
today without all this odd proprietary bull**** spinning off in different
directions. Too bad, just like in computers. We got lucky there. The
PUBLIC and BUSINESS decided DOS was the operating system of choice that
lead us into having personal computers everyone's software ran on, instead
of the hodgepodge of operating systems spinning off in incompatible
directions before the first IBM PC was built. That was horrible. Even
BASIC programs wouldn't run as they were all different.

Sometimes it just doesn't make sense.

--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry