Very confused about Cingular data plans

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 15 Feb 2006
00:27:58 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> Although you're not supposed to do that, it will work.
>>
>>> Do you know this for a fact? No, it won't work. We've been trying to
>>> do that just yesterday on someone's Moto V557 phone account using the
>>> Windows' DUN and Cingular Connection Manager.
>>
>> I just watched a Moto V551 connect via bluetooth, the WAP login, and a
>> MediaNet Unlimited account.
>
>Yeah, you can do THAT as you have the MediaNET. What WON'T work is if
>you add the PDA connection plan to your voice plan as John Navas said it
>was supposed to work....saying its supposed to work is not the same as
>actually trying it.

I've actually done it on PDA Connect (using a Treo 750 tethered to a laptop
with both Bluetooth and a cable), and it did work, just as I wrote.

>> How busy was your friend's account in the past?
>>
>> Another thread suggests that heavy users are getting dropped, and if they
>> call in, they are offered the appropriate $59/month Laptop account.
>
>That was my post in another thread.

I've seen no credible evidence that anyone has actually been dropped for heavy
use, and my own use has been pretty darn heavy with nary a peep from Cingular.

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Feb 2006
19:28:08 GMT, Ernie Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

>My present plan has "Internet pay per use". If I sign up for another
>data package/feature how do I tell (the system) which feature I want to
>use? I am guessing here, but is that done by the APN. User Name &
>password?

Pay-per-use is automatically removed when you get a data package.

>APN= WAP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected] then service is MEdia
>APN= ISP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected] then service is Laptop
>connect (or Internet pay per use if no data service has been added).
>
>Am I on the right track, or am I all wet?

Correct.

>If I am close, then what would be used for the PDA access to differ it
>from the laptop access?

The device you have. You can get one feature or the other, but not both.

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[email protected] wrote:
> DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yeah, you can do THAT as you have the MediaNET. What WON'T work is if
>> you add the PDA connection plan to your voice plan as John Navas said it
>> was supposed to work....saying its supposed to work is not the same as
>> actually trying it.
>
> Ah, I never mention "PDA Connect", as I have no experience with it.
> What is the login and the "phone number" and APN used for PDA Connect?

Not sure as all three of the common onces never worked.

> So, blending the threads, you're saying that MediaNet is occasionally
> getting dropped now due to high data rates, and PDA connect simply fails to
> work for tethering a laptop?

It would appear so. As for the PDA connecting, I'll address that in a
response to John's post.

John Navas wrote:
> I've actually done it on PDA Connect (using a Treo 750 tethered to a laptop
> with both Bluetooth and a cable), and it did work, just as I wrote.

That was in the past...its all a new game now.

Besides, Cingular doesn't consider the Treo a PDA in the sense we would
think of one. It might look like a PDA, have all the features of a PDA,
advertised by Cingular as a PDA...but its different from the tech
support side and data connecting.

> I've seen no credible evidence that anyone has actually been dropped for heavy
> use, and my own use has been pretty darn heavy with nary a peep from Cingular.

This is all new, you might not have come across it yet and they may not
have caught you YET. What do you call "heavy"? What do you consider
evidence...DUH, why am I even asking YOU of all people THAT question???

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 15 Feb 2006
02:57:09 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>> I've actually done it on PDA Connect (using a Treo 750 tethered to a laptop
>> with both Bluetooth and a cable), and it did work, just as I wrote.
>
>That was in the past...its all a new game now.

My friend tells me it's still working.

>Besides, Cingular doesn't consider the Treo a PDA in the sense we would
>think of one. It might look like a PDA, have all the features of a PDA,
>advertised by Cingular as a PDA...but its different from the tech
>support side and data connecting.

Cingular does consider the Treo 650 a PDA, which is why it's on a PDA plan.

>> I've seen no credible evidence that anyone has actually been dropped for heavy
>> use, and my own use has been pretty darn heavy with nary a peep from Cingular.
>
>This is all new, you might not have come across it yet and they may not
>have caught you YET.

Time will tell.

>What do you call "heavy"?

See my other post to this thread.

>What do you consider
>evidence...

Credible evidence. Something more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

>DUH, why am I even asking YOU of all people THAT question???

You're projecting.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 15 Feb 2006
> 02:57:09 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>What do you consider
>>evidence...
>
> Credible evidence. Something more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

Unsubstantiated rumor like your supposed data usage? Hmmmm- stones and
glass houses are running through my head right now.

>
>>DUH, why am I even asking YOU of all people THAT question???
>
> You're projecting.
>

And you don't know what you're talking about. The Cowboy would be many
rungs up the ladder from you where credibility is concerned.

In article <[email protected]>,
DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:

> John Navas wrote:
> >> My question is: When a phone is tethered to a PC/Mac, will the cheaper
> >> "Unlimited Data Access for PDA" feature work the same as the more
> >> expensive "Unlimited Laptop Connect" feature for $59.99, when one wants
> >> internet access?
> >
> > Although you're not supposed to do that, it will work.

> Do you know this for a fact? No, it won't work. We've been trying to
> do that just yesterday on someone's Moto V557 phone account using the
> Windows' DUN and Cingular Connection Manager.

For reasons I don't understand, how it works seems to vary from one user
to another. When I was trying to do it, I could get a connection, but
kept getting disconnected. I think my longest connection was something
like fifteen minutes, typical more like one minute.

But other people have reported here using it with no problem.

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John Navas wrote: sarcasm
> Cingular does consider the Treo 650 a PDA, which is why it's on a PDA plan.

Tell that to Customer Service...perhaps you could enlighten them.

>>> I've seen no credible evidence that anyone has actually been dropped for heavy
>>> use, and my own use has been pretty darn heavy with nary a peep from Cingular.
>> This is all new, you might not have come across it yet and they may not
>> have caught you YET.
>
> Time will tell.

The time is NOW...its happening.

>> What do you call "heavy"?

You missed my sarcasm.

> Credible evidence. Something more than an unsubstantiated rumor.

Tell that to the guys down here that had to start up the data plan.

Ya know....there IS a world out there beyond your own limited experiences.

Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

> And you don't know what you're talking about. The Cowboy would be many
> rungs up the ladder from you where credibility is concerned.

No way in hell.

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[email protected] wrote:
> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And you don't know what you're talking about. The Cowboy would be many
>> rungs up the ladder from you where credibility is concerned.
>
> No way in hell.

Not sure what yer trying to point out. <shrugz>

On 2006-02-14 21:46:55 -0500, John Navas <[email protected]> said:

>
>> APN= WAP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected] then service is MEdia
>> APN= ISP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected] then service is Laptop
>> connect (or Internet pay per use if no data service has been added).
>>
>> Am I on the right track, or am I all wet?
>
> Correct.
>
>> If I am close, then what would be used for the PDA access to differ it
>> from the laptop access?
>
> The device you have. You can get one feature or the other, but not both.

I'm still trying to sort this all out. I have the unlimited data
service for my Treo. It came setup with:
APN= WAP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected]

I find that I can change the settings to
APN= ISP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected]

and everything still seems to work. Am I going to get a surprise
per-use bill next month? I've not seen any differences in transfer
speeds.

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In <2006021514152516807-no@noemailreplyneededcom> on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:15:25
-0500, David <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm still trying to sort this all out. I have the unlimited data
>service for my Treo.

PDA Connect Unlimited ($40/month)?

>It came setup with:
>APN= WAP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected]

That's MEdia Net. I believe that's included with PDA Connect Unlimited.

>I find that I can change the settings to
>APN= ISP.CINGULAR, User= [email protected]

That's Data Connect. I believe that's standard with PDA Connect.

>and everything still seems to work. Am I going to get a surprise
>per-use bill next month? I've not seen any differences in transfer
>speeds.

I believe that either should work, and that there should be no difference on
your bill, although I recommend checking with Cingular and on your bill to be
sure. Advantages to Data Connect over MEdia Net include (a) optional data
compression and (b) ability to use VPN.

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I have been using MediaNet Unlimited for quite some time for tethering and it seems to not be working now. I'm not sure if I have to change the settings to log in or either if they're cut me off because of high use.
I dont' want to have to go all the way to Data Connect for $59 unless I have to. It's hard to imagine it's the same price as their broadband connect service. I would imagine with time it'll go down in price and I'm sure it won't go up to the regular price of $79.99.
Also, for $44 I know I can go with PDA Connect if it works. What settings are people using on here to properly get PDA Connect as well as MediaNet to work?