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In article <[email protected]>,
Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Walter Bushell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <2007070114340316807-mikegoldnj@yahoocom>,
> > > Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > For some reason, he's got an axe to grind that defies logic.
> >
> > If an axe defies logic, it is already sharp enough surely. But hey, that
> > is one delicious mixed metaphore.
>
> The axe is mightier than the logic board.

That's axiomatic.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> On Jun 29, 8:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 10:31 pm, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> >
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > > > This guy nailed it, although I think the iphone will just become like
> > > > any other smartphone as opposed to an outright flop, albeit a lot more
> > > > CRIPPLED because you actually can't do anything with it.
> >
> > > LOL I'd love to repost this 6 months from now.
> > > We'll see how good your spinning skills are.
> >
> > Perhaps you'd like to post valid arguments instead of vacuous taunts
> > to the writer of the article.
> >
> > Since the iPhone has absolutely no application capability, no IM, no
> > email integration capabilities, and not even the ability to edit
> > documents or spreadsheets or powerpoint presentations, it
> > automatically won't affect the business smartphone market (thus, the
> > fact that Rim Blackberry shares went up by $34 today).
> >
> > Since it does not play any of the thousands of consumer Java games and
> > apps (IM, messaging, picture sharing, social networking, etc) already
> > in the market today, it is also a crippled CONSUMER phones.
> >
> > In other words, it's a pretty GUI with nothing underneath.
>
> And it just sold close to 700,000 over its first weekend. How ya like
> me now????

I wouldn't worry, the asjbio poster disappeared pretty fast off this
board after all the success.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > On Jun 29, 8:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> > > On Jun 29, 10:31 pm, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > >
> > > > [email protected] wrote:
> > > > > This guy nailed it, although I think the iphone will just become like
> > > > > any other smartphone as opposed to an outright flop, albeit a lot more
> > > > > CRIPPLED because you actually can't do anything with it.
> > >
> > > > LOL I'd love to repost this 6 months from now.
> > > > We'll see how good your spinning skills are.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you'd like to post valid arguments instead of vacuous taunts
> > > to the writer of the article.
> > >
> > > Since the iPhone has absolutely no application capability, no IM, no
> > > email integration capabilities, and not even the ability to edit
> > > documents or spreadsheets or powerpoint presentations, it
> > > automatically won't affect the business smartphone market (thus, the
> > > fact that Rim Blackberry shares went up by $34 today).
> > >
> > > Since it does not play any of the thousands of consumer Java games and
> > > apps (IM, messaging, picture sharing, social networking, etc) already
> > > in the market today, it is also a crippled CONSUMER phones.
> > >
> > > In other words, it's a pretty GUI with nothing underneath.
> >
> > And it just sold close to 700,000 over its first weekend. How ya like
> > me now????
>
> I wouldn't worry, the asjbio poster disappeared pretty fast off this
> board after all the success.

Oh, not to worry; one of his many sockpuppets will be back any time now.

In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Hix <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 29, 8:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > On Jun 29, 10:31 pm, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > >
> > > > > [email protected] wrote:
> > > > > > This guy nailed it, although I think the iphone will just become
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > any other smartphone as opposed to an outright flop, albeit a lot
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > CRIPPLED because you actually can't do anything with it.
> > > >
> > > > > LOL I'd love to repost this 6 months from now.
> > > > > We'll see how good your spinning skills are.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you'd like to post valid arguments instead of vacuous taunts
> > > > to the writer of the article.
> > > >
> > > > Since the iPhone has absolutely no application capability, no IM, no
> > > > email integration capabilities, and not even the ability to edit
> > > > documents or spreadsheets or powerpoint presentations, it
> > > > automatically won't affect the business smartphone market (thus, the
> > > > fact that Rim Blackberry shares went up by $34 today).
> > > >
> > > > Since it does not play any of the thousands of consumer Java games and
> > > > apps (IM, messaging, picture sharing, social networking, etc) already
> > > > in the market today, it is also a crippled CONSUMER phones.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, it's a pretty GUI with nothing underneath.
> > >
> > > And it just sold close to 700,000 over its first weekend. How ya like
> > > me now????
> >
> > I wouldn't worry, the asjbio poster disappeared pretty fast off this
> > board after all the success.
>
> Oh, not to worry; one of his many sockpuppets will be back any time now.

Yes, had to laugh at how full of piss and vinegar he was before the
launch, then after, ran off this board with his tail between his legs.

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At 04 Jul 2007 16:40:53 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> Yes, had to laugh at how full of piss and vinegar he was before the
> launch, then after, ran off this board with his tail between his legs.

Perhaps. But to be fair, even though the iPhone sold amazing numbers the
first weekend, those sales were to people who, like the rest of us, had
not seen or used the product in person.

They bought based partly on hype, and mostly on the reputation of Apple.
Hopefully the product will live up to their expectations.

This kind of takes me back to when the Segway was released. Reports of a
"mysterious new transportation product" flooded TV news- people
speculated it'd be everything from a personal airplane or jet pack to
Star Trek's matter transporter, and it turned out to be a scooter. A
really neat high-tech scooter, but essentially a scooter.

With iPhone, Apple's been laying the "revolutionary" stuff on a bit
think, so I hope the product can live up to the expectations of the half-
million buyers.

I can't help but think quite a few are going to feel a little bamboozled
after the novelty wears off, and they realize it's also more of a nice
high-tech scooter than a jet-pack...



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In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 04 Jul 2007 16:40:53 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > Yes, had to laugh at how full of piss and vinegar he was before the
> > launch, then after, ran off this board with his tail between his legs.
>
> Perhaps. But to be fair, even though the iPhone sold amazing numbers the
> first weekend, those sales were to people who, like the rest of us, had
> not seen or used the product in person.
>
> They bought based partly on hype, and mostly on the reputation of Apple.
> Hopefully the product will live up to their expectations.
>
> This kind of takes me back to when the Segway was released. Reports of a
> "mysterious new transportation product" flooded TV news- people
> speculated it'd be everything from a personal airplane or jet pack to
> Star Trek's matter transporter, and it turned out to be a scooter. A
> really neat high-tech scooter, but essentially a scooter.
>
> With iPhone, Apple's been laying the "revolutionary" stuff on a bit
> think, so I hope the product can live up to the expectations of the half-
> million buyers.
>
> I can't help but think quite a few are going to feel a little bamboozled
> after the novelty wears off, and they realize it's also more of a nice
> high-tech scooter than a jet-pack...

The industry needed a shakeup. Phone manufacturers have been too
complacent with their offerings. Apple knows good industrial design and
function. Hopefully, we'll see a shake up with the others. I think the
Apple is only going to get better.

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At 05 Jul 2007 11:01:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> The industry needed a shakeup. Phone manufacturers have been too
> complacent with their offerings.

Yes and no- I think the Palm and some WinMo devices are quite usable with
a minimal learning curve. Blackberries still bug me- no matter how long
I play with them, I can't get used to the menu system! (But that's a
personal thing- BBs have their raving fanatics as well.) I agree, however,
basic phones are becoming too comple for the traditional drill-down menus
with arcane titles. (Is Call Forwarding under Tools/Options/Network
Settings or under Settings/Call Settings/Services?)

And when did indecipherable 16x16 icons on a 160x160 screen become a
better idea for menu items than a simple text list?

I find this stuff far less of a problem on higher-res sartphone devices
with cascading menus than on low-res low-end phones like a Nokia Series 40.



> Apple knows good industrial design and
> function. Hopefully, we'll see a shake up with the others. I think the
> Apple is only going to get better.

I'm sure they will. But I hope others choose to adapt the design elements
they like to their own designs rather than foist a bunch of lower-end rip-
offs on us.

I personally like using a stylus, for example, because it affords me more
accuracy than my fat fingers could. It's a personal choice, no doubt
powered as much by habit (I've used touchscreen PDAs for a number of
years) as any other rationalizations I can come up with. Finger control
would be nice for some apps (in-car navigation for example) but I'd want
it as a option- not an absolute.


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In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 05 Jul 2007 11:01:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > The industry needed a shakeup. Phone manufacturers have been too
> > complacent with their offerings.
>
> Yes and no- I think the Palm and some WinMo devices are quite usable with
> a minimal learning curve. Blackberries still bug me- no matter how long
> I play with them, I can't get used to the menu system! (But that's a
> personal thing- BBs have their raving fanatics as well.) I agree, however,
> basic phones are becoming too comple for the traditional drill-down menus
> with arcane titles. (Is Call Forwarding under Tools/Options/Network
> Settings or under Settings/Call Settings/Services?)

Even my Treo can be bear. The crashing third party apps were my biggest
problem.


>
> And when did indecipherable 16x16 icons on a 160x160 screen become a
> better idea for menu items than a simple text list?

LOL, not to mention the goofy color schemes that make them even harder
to decipher.
>
> I find this stuff far less of a problem on higher-res sartphone devices
> with cascading menus than on low-res low-end phones like a Nokia Series 40.
>
>
>
> > Apple knows good industrial design and
> > function. Hopefully, we'll see a shake up with the others. I think the
> > Apple is only going to get better.
>
> I'm sure they will. But I hope others choose to adapt the design elements
> they like to their own designs rather than foist a bunch of lower-end rip-
> offs on us.
>
> I personally like using a stylus, for example, because it affords me more
> accuracy than my fat fingers could. It's a personal choice, no doubt
> powered as much by habit (I've used touchscreen PDAs for a number of
> years) as any other rationalizations I can come up with. Finger control
> would be nice for some apps (in-car navigation for example) but I'd want
> it as a option- not an absolute.

I do like the stylus also. I think some web functions would go much
faster with one. Of course, you could always just carry one around with
your iPhone.

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In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> This kind of takes me back to when the Segway was released. Reports of a
> "mysterious new transportation product" flooded TV news- people
> speculated it'd be everything from a personal airplane or jet pack to
> Star Trek's matter transporter, and it turned out to be a scooter. A
> really neat high-tech scooter, but essentially a scooter.
Boy, I was paying attention, but I guess I didn't read the nutcase
press. Not one wild guess that I read was anything like this kind of
childish nonsense.
And I don't think many actually believed those were real possibilities,
either. In other words, I don't b=think people expected a jet-pack, I
think they expected to be disappointed.
Whatever they thought, what was released is actually revolutionary and
innovative.

> With iPhone, Apple's been laying the "revolutionary" stuff on a bit
> think, so I hope the product can live up to the expectations of the half-
> million buyers.
>
> I can't help but think quite a few are going to feel a little bamboozled
> after the novelty wears off, and they realize it's also more of a nice
> high-tech scooter than a jet-pack...
Yes, I suppose there will always be a few nutcase press reports trying
to exaggerate (probably to get readers attention), and certainly there
are always a very few people who actually expect some kind of bizarre
miracle (largely because they minimize the real effort and science that
new products require).
But that doesn't mean that anything would be judged by them. We judge
by the real and intelligent comments, right?

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I agree, however,
> basic phones are becoming too comple for the traditional drill-down menus
> with arcane titles. (Is Call Forwarding under Tools/Options/Network
> Settings or under Settings/Call Settings/Services?)
Great point: menu titles MUST be clear and obvious to all users, and
they are nothing like that now.

> And when did indecipherable 16x16 icons on a 160x160 screen become a
> better idea for menu items than a simple text list?
Mostly because of the fingertip targeting problem
How obvious the icon function is became a problem of graphic design.
Mac users own't have any problem with the Safari icon, others may have
no clue at all.

> I'm sure they will. But I hope others choose to adapt the design elements
> they like to their own designs rather than foist a bunch of lower-end rip-
> offs on us.
Absolutely: the benefit to the rest of the market is in new ideas, not
in mimicry. However, it seems pretty clear that phone makers consider
the OS of a phone a component to purchase, not develop whole.

> I personally like using a stylus,
The only thing I don't like about using a finger is that I cover so
much of the screen using it. I'm hoping the inaccuracy issue is mostly
considered during development.

At 05 Jul 2007 15:24:25 -1000 Mitch wrote:

> Boy, I was paying attention, but I guess I didn't read the nutcase
> press. Not one wild guess that I read was anything like this kind of
> childish nonsense.


Some form of personal flying device was bandied about quasi-seriously by
idiot "experts" interviewed on the 24-news outlets. Admittedly the Star
Trek transporter suggestion was tongue-in-cheek.

> And I don't think many actually believed those were real possibilities,
> either. In other words, I don't b=think people expected a jet-pack, I
> think they expected to be disappointed.


Agreed. I did expect the iPhone to get the same treatment, however- I
think it's a pretty interesting device, but I don't think ANY device
can live up to that level of hype.

> Whatever they thought, what was released is actually revolutionary and
> innovative.

Agreed (about the Segway, at least!)


> Yes, I suppose there will always be a few nutcase press reports trying
> to exaggerate (probably to get readers attention), and certainly there
> are always a very few people who actually expect some kind of bizarre
> miracle (largely because they minimize the real effort and science that
> new products require).

Agreed.

> But that doesn't mean that anything would be judged by them. We judge
> by the real and intelligent comments, right?

;-)


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"Kurt" wrote:
> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At 05 Jul 2007 11:01:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>>
>> > The industry needed a shakeup. Phone manufacturers have been too
>> > complacent with their offerings.
>>
>> Yes and no- I think the Palm and some WinMo devices are quite usable with
>> a minimal learning curve. Blackberries still bug me- no matter how long
>> I play with them, I can't get used to the menu system! (But that's a
>> personal thing- BBs have their raving fanatics as well.) I agree,
>> however,
>> basic phones are becoming too comple for the traditional drill-down menus
>> with arcane titles. (Is Call Forwarding under Tools/Options/Network
>> Settings or under Settings/Call Settings/Services?)
>
> Even my Treo can be bear. The crashing third party apps were my biggest
> problem.
>

I have settled into a mix of stable-for-me apps on my Treo 650. Runs fine,
and I use it a lot.

But it's two years old, and the reason I'm in the Cingular NG is because I
was interested in the iPhone. That interest faded a bit when I found out
about a few missing items that I'm not sure I wanted to give up. Then...

I was riding my motorcycle home yesterday--in 122 degree heat (NW AZ)--and
when I got into the house I noticed my Treo was not in its holster. I knew I
had it with me 10 minutes earlier, as I received a call on it at the post
office. Went back to the PO and didn't find it. Rode home.

Now I'd usually semi-freak about losing my phone, but not this time. Even
went as far as going online to check iPhone availability when my (home)
phone rang. It was my Treo calling! To my disbelief it was a guy claiming he
found my Treo--on the pavement in the middle of an intersection. Picked it
up at his house soon after. Barely scratched, believe it or not.

Then early this morning, while out running an errand, I noticed my stylus
was missing. "Aha," I thought, "another sign I should get an iPhone!"
Thinking it was an exercise in futility I decided to go past the
intersection where my Treo was found. Unbelievably, glimmering in the sun at
me was my stylus.

I can't believe this. Almost hate to give this thing up now. It doesn't seem
ready to go! <g>


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At 06 Jul 2007 10:05:35 -0700 Tinman wrote:

> I can't believe this. Almost hate to give this thing up now. It doesn't
seem
> ready to go! <g>

I'd actually be afraid to get rid of it now- I picture your Treo
constantly calling your new iPhone in a Stephen King-esque way saying
"I'm not finished with YOU yet!" ;-)


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In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> "Kurt" wrote:
> > Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> At 05 Jul 2007 11:01:34 -0700 Kurt wrote:
> >>
> >> > The industry needed a shakeup. Phone manufacturers have been too
> >> > complacent with their offerings.
> >>
> >> Yes and no- I think the Palm and some WinMo devices are quite usable with
> >> a minimal learning curve. Blackberries still bug me- no matter how long
> >> I play with them, I can't get used to the menu system! (But that's a
> >> personal thing- BBs have their raving fanatics as well.) I agree,
> >> however,
> >> basic phones are becoming too comple for the traditional drill-down menus
> >> with arcane titles. (Is Call Forwarding under Tools/Options/Network
> >> Settings or under Settings/Call Settings/Services?)
> >
> > Even my Treo can be bear. The crashing third party apps were my biggest
> > problem.
> >
>
> I have settled into a mix of stable-for-me apps on my Treo 650. Runs fine,
> and I use it a lot.
>
> But it's two years old, and the reason I'm in the Cingular NG is because I
> was interested in the iPhone. That interest faded a bit when I found out
> about a few missing items that I'm not sure I wanted to give up. Then...
>
> I was riding my motorcycle home yesterday--in 122 degree heat (NW AZ)--and
> when I got into the house I noticed my Treo was not in its holster. I knew I
> had it with me 10 minutes earlier, as I received a call on it at the post
> office. Went back to the PO and didn't find it. Rode home.
>
> Now I'd usually semi-freak about losing my phone, but not this time. Even
> went as far as going online to check iPhone availability when my (home)
> phone rang. It was my Treo calling! To my disbelief it was a guy claiming he
> found my Treo--on the pavement in the middle of an intersection. Picked it
> up at his house soon after. Barely scratched, believe it or not.
>
> Then early this morning, while out running an errand, I noticed my stylus
> was missing. "Aha," I thought, "another sign I should get an iPhone!"
> Thinking it was an exercise in futility I decided to go past the
> intersection where my Treo was found. Unbelievably, glimmering in the sun at
> me was my stylus.
>
> I can't believe this. Almost hate to give this thing up now. It doesn't seem
> ready to go! <g>

Great story! Lucky you living the hellhole of the Southwest. It is nice
there several months out of the year.

I use mine a lot, too- and now have 2 years on it, but the iPhone just
has it beat for what I use (web, voice and email).

BTW- Went to the beach this AM for a little boogie board action. 70º and
little foggy, but water was about that same. Still about 73 or so.

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In article <%[email protected]>, ed
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Mitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:280620072314578779%[email protected]...
> > In article <9%[email protected]>, ed
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> word is that the iphone does not have any sort of carrier subsidy. given
> >> that, i don't know why they went with a att exclusive- why not just make
> >> it
> >> an unlocked gsm phone and let folks use it on whatever (gsm) network they
> >> want?
> >>
> > The reason is that Apple wanted significant changes made to the way the
> > carrier operates.
> > There are quite a few changes in the system, in features,
>
> what, other than visual voice mail>
>
> > and in the
> > way the device is recognized, and the options they give users.
>
> eh?

Let me guess -- you don't know of any other things that the network
does differently for iPhone?