Alltel's $39.95 Plan

"Larry W4CSC"
> Alltel is offering a plan with
> 700 anytime minutes in SC and NC to phones,
>UNLIMITED M2M between
> Alltel phones inside SC/NC service area, free nationwide long
> distance, 100 anytime minutes in all 50 states for traveling, all the
> usual 3way, call waiting, call forwarding, voicemail, no answer
> transfer, etc., for only $39.95/mo!

I agree with Larry's post, but I believe you pay an extra $10/month for the
100 minutes of roaming. At least, that's what the ads in the Raleigh paper
say. Still, it's a good deal, because (I suppose) these minutes can be used
locally, as well. So, that's 800 minutes a month for $49.95.

I have an obsolete plan from Alltel with 500 minutes for the same price. The
offset is, my local calling area is from Maryland to Florida and west thru
GA, TN, KY. And I get to keep the analog phone. It probably would be
worthwhile to switch to the newer plan, but they won't give me the national
roaming without changing phones. Grrr.

I can change the analog phone (brick or bag) to prepaid service. That would
allow me to have an external antenna and high power for really poor coverage
areas........Then I could drop the Regional Plan in favor of the NC/SC plan
with the 100 minutes roaming. That's nearly two hours of talk time, which
is about all I need when I travel for personal purposes. For long
conversations, I always use a landline, with one of those cheap calling
cards from SAM'S Club. (3 to 5 cents/min, and the minutes never expire.)

-Paul-
_________________________________________
Confidential to Larry:

Hey, you smooth-talking Southern Gentleman. I'll make it worth your while if
you come to Raleigh and persuade them to give me the 100 minutes roaming on
the analog phone. You pulled off a similar stunt in SC last year. Still
got the magic touch? (grin)

[Talk-in will be on the 146.88 machine.]

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_________________________________________
> Confidential to Larry:
>
> Hey, you smooth-talking Southern Gentleman. I'll make it worth your while
if
> you come to Raleigh and persuade them to give me the 100 minutes roaming
on
> the analog phone.

Update: Girded up my loins, trotted down the Alltel store, and added a new
line of service using a T720. $49.95 gets me 700min + 100min roaming. The
roaming coverage is the equivalent of being on the Total Freedom Plan (vs.
Alltel's National Freedom Plan).

I'm keeping the Regional Coverage analog account for the time being. Once I
shut it down, I cannot restart it. So I want to be VERY SURE this will be an
adequate replacement.

For approximately $55, I can get a magnet-mount dual band antenna with an
adaptor for the rear port on the phone. If I find myself in poor signal
areas consistently, I might go this route. The T720 has analog and digital
coverage, so it should work well now, and even better in the future as
towers continue to appear.

I see from the instruction book it has the ability to transmit my location
if I dial 911. Does anyone know if this is via GPS, or does it use single
tower location (or multi-tower triangulation)?

By the way, when they called up the master Alltel account to get my personal
info, the rep remarked, "Oh, I see you have been a wireless subscriber with
Alltel for 122 months. That entitles you to a 25% discount on the phone,
plus we waive the activation fee." I chose at that moment not to mention
that I also have been with the competition (VZW) for over 170 months. I
simply said, "Thank you."

Mama didn't raise an idiot! (grin)

-Paul-

_________________________________________
> Confidential to Larry:
>
> Hey, you smooth-talking Southern Gentleman. I'll make it worth your while
if
> you come to Raleigh and persuade them to give me the 100 minutes roaming
on
> the analog phone.

Update: Girded up my loins, trotted down the Alltel store, and added a new
line of service using a T720. $49.95 gets me 700min + 100min roaming. The
roaming coverage is the equivalent of being on the Total Freedom Plan (vs.
Alltel's National Freedom Plan).

I'm keeping the Regional Coverage analog account for the time being. Once I
shut it down, I cannot restart it. So I want to be VERY SURE this will be an
adequate replacement.

For approximately $55, I can get a magnet-mount dual band antenna with an
adaptor for the rear port on the phone. If I find myself in poor signal
areas consistently, I might go this route. The T720 has analog and digital
coverage, so it should work well now, and even better in the future as
towers continue to appear.

I see from the instruction book it has the ability to transmit my location
if I dial 911. Does anyone know if this is via GPS, or does it use single
tower location (or multi-tower triangulation)?

By the way, when they called up the master Alltel account to get my personal
info, the rep remarked, "Oh, I see you have been a wireless subscriber with
Alltel for 122 months. That entitles you to a 25% discount on the phone,
plus we waive the activation fee." I chose at that moment not to mention
that I also have been with the competition (VZW) for over 170 months. I
simply said, "Thank you."

Mama didn't raise an idiot! (grin)

-Paul-

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:40:36 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Larry W4CSC"
>> Alltel is offering a plan with
>> 700 anytime minutes in SC and NC to phones,
>>UNLIMITED M2M between
>> Alltel phones inside SC/NC service area, free nationwide long
>> distance, 100 anytime minutes in all 50 states for traveling, all the
>> usual 3way, call waiting, call forwarding, voicemail, no answer
>> transfer, etc., for only $39.95/mo!
>
>I agree with Larry's post, but I believe you pay an extra $10/month for the
>100 minutes of roaming. At least, that's what the ads in the Raleigh paper
>say. Still, it's a good deal, because (I suppose) these minutes can be used
>locally, as well. So, that's 800 minutes a month for $49.95.

Not here, but maybe in Raleigh. 100 anytime minutes nationwide
included for $39.95 in Charleston on the NC/SC plan with 700 anytime
mins in SC/NC.

>
>I have an obsolete plan from Alltel with 500 minutes for the same price. The
>offset is, my local calling area is from Maryland to Florida and west thru
>GA, TN, KY. And I get to keep the analog phone. It probably would be
>worthwhile to switch to the newer plan, but they won't give me the national
>roaming without changing phones. Grrr.
>
>I can change the analog phone (brick or bag) to prepaid service. That would
>allow me to have an external antenna and high power for really poor coverage
>areas........Then I could drop the Regional Plan in favor of the NC/SC plan
>with the 100 minutes roaming. That's nearly two hours of talk time, which
>is about all I need when I travel for personal purposes. For long
>conversations, I always use a landline, with one of those cheap calling
>cards from SAM'S Club. (3 to 5 cents/min, and the minutes never expire.)
>
>-Paul-
>_________________________________________
>Confidential to Larry:
>
>Hey, you smooth-talking Southern Gentleman. I'll make it worth your while if
>you come to Raleigh and persuade them to give me the 100 minutes roaming on
>the analog phone. You pulled off a similar stunt in SC last year. Still
>got the magic touch? (grin)
>
>[Talk-in will be on the 146.88 machine.]
>
Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
decent to him as it went...(c; Damned thing WORKED when they finally
found the battery that had bounced off into the weeds. All components
were bent over in one direction from the impact and it STILL
WORKED!...

I'd have to go back to the toyphone on Alltel to get the $39 bargain
plan. Not sure about ESN swap after that to put bagphone back online.
We went out in the boat, today, but not far enough at sea to tax
cellular coverage. The Cap'n's ATT PCS still got calls, even! We
went out to calibrate the new autopilot's local fluxgate compass after
I installed it all, yesterday. Autopilot works as smooth as glass
after calibration and commissioning. We're ready for Bermuda next
month...(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:40:36 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Larry W4CSC"
>> Alltel is offering a plan with
>> 700 anytime minutes in SC and NC to phones,
>>UNLIMITED M2M between
>> Alltel phones inside SC/NC service area, free nationwide long
>> distance, 100 anytime minutes in all 50 states for traveling, all the
>> usual 3way, call waiting, call forwarding, voicemail, no answer
>> transfer, etc., for only $39.95/mo!
>
>I agree with Larry's post, but I believe you pay an extra $10/month for the
>100 minutes of roaming. At least, that's what the ads in the Raleigh paper
>say. Still, it's a good deal, because (I suppose) these minutes can be used
>locally, as well. So, that's 800 minutes a month for $49.95.

Not here, but maybe in Raleigh. 100 anytime minutes nationwide
included for $39.95 in Charleston on the NC/SC plan with 700 anytime
mins in SC/NC.

>
>I have an obsolete plan from Alltel with 500 minutes for the same price. The
>offset is, my local calling area is from Maryland to Florida and west thru
>GA, TN, KY. And I get to keep the analog phone. It probably would be
>worthwhile to switch to the newer plan, but they won't give me the national
>roaming without changing phones. Grrr.
>
>I can change the analog phone (brick or bag) to prepaid service. That would
>allow me to have an external antenna and high power for really poor coverage
>areas........Then I could drop the Regional Plan in favor of the NC/SC plan
>with the 100 minutes roaming. That's nearly two hours of talk time, which
>is about all I need when I travel for personal purposes. For long
>conversations, I always use a landline, with one of those cheap calling
>cards from SAM'S Club. (3 to 5 cents/min, and the minutes never expire.)
>
>-Paul-
>_________________________________________
>Confidential to Larry:
>
>Hey, you smooth-talking Southern Gentleman. I'll make it worth your while if
>you come to Raleigh and persuade them to give me the 100 minutes roaming on
>the analog phone. You pulled off a similar stunt in SC last year. Still
>got the magic touch? (grin)
>
>[Talk-in will be on the 146.88 machine.]
>
Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
decent to him as it went...(c; Damned thing WORKED when they finally
found the battery that had bounced off into the weeds. All components
were bent over in one direction from the impact and it STILL
WORKED!...

I'd have to go back to the toyphone on Alltel to get the $39 bargain
plan. Not sure about ESN swap after that to put bagphone back online.
We went out in the boat, today, but not far enough at sea to tax
cellular coverage. The Cap'n's ATT PCS still got calls, even! We
went out to calibrate the new autopilot's local fluxgate compass after
I installed it all, yesterday. Autopilot works as smooth as glass
after calibration and commissioning. We're ready for Bermuda next
month...(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:11:22 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>By the way, when they called up the master Alltel account to get my personal
>info, the rep remarked, "Oh, I see you have been a wireless subscriber with
>Alltel for 122 months. That entitles you to a 25% discount on the phone,
>plus we waive the activation fee." I chose at that moment not to mention
>that I also have been with the competition (VZW) for over 170 months. I
>simply said, "Thank you."
>
>Mama didn't raise an idiot! (grin)
>
>-Paul-
>
Any carrier seems so shocked when they see how long you've been a
long-term customer. Being the 5th customer of Cellular One of
Charleston, my account doesn't even HAVE a start date, long
lost.....(c;

I've seen 'em come and seen 'em go. Wonder who will buy this pig
next?



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:11:22 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>By the way, when they called up the master Alltel account to get my personal
>info, the rep remarked, "Oh, I see you have been a wireless subscriber with
>Alltel for 122 months. That entitles you to a 25% discount on the phone,
>plus we waive the activation fee." I chose at that moment not to mention
>that I also have been with the competition (VZW) for over 170 months. I
>simply said, "Thank you."
>
>Mama didn't raise an idiot! (grin)
>
>-Paul-
>
Any carrier seems so shocked when they see how long you've been a
long-term customer. Being the 5th customer of Cellular One of
Charleston, my account doesn't even HAVE a start date, long
lost.....(c;

I've seen 'em come and seen 'em go. Wonder who will buy this pig
next?



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

"Larry W4CSC"
> Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
> they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
> platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
> course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
> decent to him as it went

LOL. Had not heard that story! I'll pass along your greetings. Danny
recently received the ARRL National Technical Award for putting a
multi-state linked repeater system into place for emergency use. K4ITL does
more WITHOUT vision than the rest of us do with eyesight!

-Paul-
________________________________
Some of the towers are 1,500 feet high. Danny
is the only one in the work party not distracted
by the view.

"Larry W4CSC"
> Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
> they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
> platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
> course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
> decent to him as it went

LOL. Had not heard that story! I'll pass along your greetings. Danny
recently received the ARRL National Technical Award for putting a
multi-state linked repeater system into place for emergency use. K4ITL does
more WITHOUT vision than the rest of us do with eyesight!

-Paul-
________________________________
Some of the towers are 1,500 feet high. Danny
is the only one in the work party not distracted
by the view.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:53:11 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Larry W4CSC"
>> Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
>> they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
>> platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
>> course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
>> decent to him as it went
>
>LOL. Had not heard that story! I'll pass along your greetings. Danny
>recently received the ARRL National Technical Award for putting a
>multi-state linked repeater system into place for emergency use. K4ITL does
>more WITHOUT vision than the rest of us do with eyesight!
>

Danny is one of the truly most interesting individuals I ever met.
The HT was an Icom IC-2AT, I believe, the jewel of the Icom rigs way
back when this was reported to me. I think this was the tower that
fell many years back, but I'm not sure of that. Didn't Channel 8's
tower fall while a tower crew was working on it a few years ago?

If you have not seen Danny solder a PERFECT solder joint, while
carrying on a fast conversation with you simultaneously, you are in
for a treat. Anyone who is blind and says they "can't" do something
because of it needs to follow him around for a week. He must be an
inspiration to anyone without sight. It's uncanny how he can picture
making a solder joint with the virtual reality picture in his mind
using his nose to smell the joint being formed. God, he builds whole
repeater stations he's never seen. Truly amazing feats, all of them.

73, Larry W4CSC/MM

Worked quite a few stations from Charleston Harbor on the SC QSO
Party, yesterday, with the Icom M802 marine SSB/AT-140 tuning the
insulated backstay on my bud's 41' Amel ketch. Can't wait to get her
to sea. I'm almost done installing the extensive network of B&G
Network Pilot (autopilot), Garmin 185 GPS/Depth sounder, B&G Network
sailing instruments, Compaq P4 notebook running The Cap'n nav with a
subscription CDROM of the whole planet's charts, Yeoman paper
chart/NMEA interface device, Icoms M802 HF/M602 VHF/M59 VHF all
GMDSS/DSC interfaced to our network which runs from a 4-port NMEA
multiplexer. We commissioned and calibrated the autopilot, yesterday,
and this electro-hydraulic beast steers the boat SO smooth it's
uncanny!

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:53:11 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Larry W4CSC"
>> Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
>> they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
>> platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
>> course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
>> decent to him as it went
>
>LOL. Had not heard that story! I'll pass along your greetings. Danny
>recently received the ARRL National Technical Award for putting a
>multi-state linked repeater system into place for emergency use. K4ITL does
>more WITHOUT vision than the rest of us do with eyesight!
>

Danny is one of the truly most interesting individuals I ever met.
The HT was an Icom IC-2AT, I believe, the jewel of the Icom rigs way
back when this was reported to me. I think this was the tower that
fell many years back, but I'm not sure of that. Didn't Channel 8's
tower fall while a tower crew was working on it a few years ago?

If you have not seen Danny solder a PERFECT solder joint, while
carrying on a fast conversation with you simultaneously, you are in
for a treat. Anyone who is blind and says they "can't" do something
because of it needs to follow him around for a week. He must be an
inspiration to anyone without sight. It's uncanny how he can picture
making a solder joint with the virtual reality picture in his mind
using his nose to smell the joint being formed. God, he builds whole
repeater stations he's never seen. Truly amazing feats, all of them.

73, Larry W4CSC/MM

Worked quite a few stations from Charleston Harbor on the SC QSO
Party, yesterday, with the Icom M802 marine SSB/AT-140 tuning the
insulated backstay on my bud's 41' Amel ketch. Can't wait to get her
to sea. I'm almost done installing the extensive network of B&G
Network Pilot (autopilot), Garmin 185 GPS/Depth sounder, B&G Network
sailing instruments, Compaq P4 notebook running The Cap'n nav with a
subscription CDROM of the whole planet's charts, Yeoman paper
chart/NMEA interface device, Icoms M802 HF/M602 VHF/M59 VHF all
GMDSS/DSC interfaced to our network which runs from a 4-port NMEA
multiplexer. We commissioned and calibrated the autopilot, yesterday,
and this electro-hydraulic beast steers the boat SO smooth it's
uncanny!

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Larry, did you know a ham in my area many years back whose call sign was
K1RIP?


[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:53:11 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Larry W4CSC"
> >> Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
> >> they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
> >> platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
> >> course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
> >> decent to him as it went
> >
> >LOL. Had not heard that story! I'll pass along your greetings. Danny
> >recently received the ARRL National Technical Award for putting a
> >multi-state linked repeater system into place for emergency use. K4ITL does
> >more WITHOUT vision than the rest of us do with eyesight!
> >
>
> Danny is one of the truly most interesting individuals I ever met.
> The HT was an Icom IC-2AT, I believe, the jewel of the Icom rigs way
> back when this was reported to me. I think this was the tower that
> fell many years back, but I'm not sure of that. Didn't Channel 8's
> tower fall while a tower crew was working on it a few years ago?
>
> If you have not seen Danny solder a PERFECT solder joint, while
> carrying on a fast conversation with you simultaneously, you are in
> for a treat. Anyone who is blind and says they "can't" do something
> because of it needs to follow him around for a week. He must be an
> inspiration to anyone without sight. It's uncanny how he can picture
> making a solder joint with the virtual reality picture in his mind
> using his nose to smell the joint being formed. God, he builds whole
> repeater stations he's never seen. Truly amazing feats, all of them.
>
> 73, Larry W4CSC/MM
>
> Worked quite a few stations from Charleston Harbor on the SC QSO
> Party, yesterday, with the Icom M802 marine SSB/AT-140 tuning the
> insulated backstay on my bud's 41' Amel ketch. Can't wait to get her
> to sea. I'm almost done installing the extensive network of B&G
> Network Pilot (autopilot), Garmin 185 GPS/Depth sounder, B&G Network
> sailing instruments, Compaq P4 notebook running The Cap'n nav with a
> subscription CDROM of the whole planet's charts, Yeoman paper
> chart/NMEA interface device, Icoms M802 HF/M602 VHF/M59 VHF all
> GMDSS/DSC interfaced to our network which runs from a 4-port NMEA
> multiplexer. We commissioned and calibrated the autopilot, yesterday,
> and this electro-hydraulic beast steers the boat SO smooth it's
> uncanny!

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Larry, did you know a ham in my area many years back whose call sign was
K1RIP?


[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:53:11 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Larry W4CSC"
> >> Tell Danny K4ITL I said hello. Call used to be WB4THE way back when
> >> they dumped Danny's Icom HT off the 800' level on WRAL's tower
> >> platform while working on his 88 repeater...a long time ago...Of
> >> course, Danny being blind, his buds were describing the walkie's
> >> decent to him as it went
> >
> >LOL. Had not heard that story! I'll pass along your greetings. Danny
> >recently received the ARRL National Technical Award for putting a
> >multi-state linked repeater system into place for emergency use. K4ITL does
> >more WITHOUT vision than the rest of us do with eyesight!
> >
>
> Danny is one of the truly most interesting individuals I ever met.
> The HT was an Icom IC-2AT, I believe, the jewel of the Icom rigs way
> back when this was reported to me. I think this was the tower that
> fell many years back, but I'm not sure of that. Didn't Channel 8's
> tower fall while a tower crew was working on it a few years ago?
>
> If you have not seen Danny solder a PERFECT solder joint, while
> carrying on a fast conversation with you simultaneously, you are in
> for a treat. Anyone who is blind and says they "can't" do something
> because of it needs to follow him around for a week. He must be an
> inspiration to anyone without sight. It's uncanny how he can picture
> making a solder joint with the virtual reality picture in his mind
> using his nose to smell the joint being formed. God, he builds whole
> repeater stations he's never seen. Truly amazing feats, all of them.
>
> 73, Larry W4CSC/MM
>
> Worked quite a few stations from Charleston Harbor on the SC QSO
> Party, yesterday, with the Icom M802 marine SSB/AT-140 tuning the
> insulated backstay on my bud's 41' Amel ketch. Can't wait to get her
> to sea. I'm almost done installing the extensive network of B&G
> Network Pilot (autopilot), Garmin 185 GPS/Depth sounder, B&G Network
> sailing instruments, Compaq P4 notebook running The Cap'n nav with a
> subscription CDROM of the whole planet's charts, Yeoman paper
> chart/NMEA interface device, Icoms M802 HF/M602 VHF/M59 VHF all
> GMDSS/DSC interfaced to our network which runs from a 4-port NMEA
> multiplexer. We commissioned and calibrated the autopilot, yesterday,
> and this electro-hydraulic beast steers the boat SO smooth it's
> uncanny!

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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:59:16 -0000, [email protected] (Yuk Fu)
wrote:

>Larry, did you know a ham in my area many years back whose call sign was
>K1RIP?
>
Nope....Neat call, though. When I bought W4CSC I was VERY tempted to
get N4SEX, which was open for assignment at the time....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:59:16 -0000, [email protected] (Yuk Fu)
wrote:

>Larry, did you know a ham in my area many years back whose call sign was
>K1RIP?
>
Nope....Neat call, though. When I bought W4CSC I was VERY tempted to
get N4SEX, which was open for assignment at the time....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?