3650 Access Point/Gateway settings?

I need some help understanding the access point settings on the Nokia
3650. Basically, what's happened is that I'm being charged for data
usage that shouldn't have been happening. Let me explain:

When I got the 3650, I specifically went in and deleted the mMode and
MMS access points to avoid any such charges, I didn't subscribe to a
data plan. What I did do, though, is set up a blank access point for
use in connecting to my Mac over Bluetooth for sharing my desktop's
internet connection. See this link for more info:

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...30616191119129

Now, I did get this working. I was successfully able to ping my phone
while this connection was up, and I installed the NetFront browser on
my phone, and was able to view a test web page on my Mac, which is
behind a firewall and is not accessible from anywhere else. So, I knew
my connection was working as it should.

I did view some other info on the phone, then shut things down. A few
days later, I noticed that my online minutes used included data, about
$20 worth ($.03/Kb)!! Obviously I'm not happy about this at all, and
I'm trying to understand how this happened.


In looking through AT&T's support pages, they indicate that for mMode
to work, the Gateway address needs to be 010.250.250.250, and the
access point name should be 'proxy'. For MMS, these settings are
010250.250.100 and 'proxy'. The instructions imply that if the name
'proxy' is not used, that the connection will fail, though to me this
didn't quite sound right. But I'm almost positive that if the gateway
address is wrong, the phone won't be able to talk to their service at
all. My gateway address is set to 0.0.0.0, which should never go
through. I know that on a normal Ethernet connection, an invalid
gateway (or router) setting will keep a client from talking to anyone.


So, my big question here for anyone that might have a definitive answer
is how could a connection to AT&T's system have happened with these
settings? AT&T's customer service weinies won't be able to help me
until after my actual bill is generated and they can see the details,
I'm hoping to get enough info before then that I can argue my case
successfully and get these extra charges dropped from my bill.

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Remember, those bt services are offered by the phone. That's why the
shortcuts reference your phone's bluetooth name.

The charges you incurred are valid. Your phone provided the gateway
"service" to your pc's "application" (i.e. your browser), so while connected
with the 3650, the phone was your ISP. It's the same situation with the fax
service.

I don't think your provider will be sympathetic and forthcoming in giving
you credit for the data usage, but good luck.


"Jim Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:180820031136544149%[email protected]...
> I need some help understanding the access point settings on the Nokia
> 3650. Basically, what's happened is that I'm being charged for data
> usage that shouldn't have been happening. Let me explain:
>
> When I got the 3650, I specifically went in and deleted the mMode and
> MMS access points to avoid any such charges, I didn't subscribe to a
> data plan. What I did do, though, is set up a blank access point for
> use in connecting to my Mac over Bluetooth for sharing my desktop's
> internet connection. See this link for more info:
>
> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...30616191119129
>
> Now, I did get this working. I was successfully able to ping my phone
> while this connection was up, and I installed the NetFront browser on
> my phone, and was able to view a test web page on my Mac, which is
> behind a firewall and is not accessible from anywhere else. So, I knew
> my connection was working as it should.
>
> I did view some other info on the phone, then shut things down. A few
> days later, I noticed that my online minutes used included data, about
> $20 worth ($.03/Kb)!! Obviously I'm not happy about this at all, and
> I'm trying to understand how this happened.
>
>
> In looking through AT&T's support pages, they indicate that for mMode
> to work, the Gateway address needs to be 010.250.250.250, and the
> access point name should be 'proxy'. For MMS, these settings are
> 010250.250.100 and 'proxy'. The instructions imply that if the name
> 'proxy' is not used, that the connection will fail, though to me this
> didn't quite sound right. But I'm almost positive that if the gateway
> address is wrong, the phone won't be able to talk to their service at
> all. My gateway address is set to 0.0.0.0, which should never go
> through. I know that on a normal Ethernet connection, an invalid
> gateway (or router) setting will keep a client from talking to anyone.
>
>
> So, my big question here for anyone that might have a definitive answer
> is how could a connection to AT&T's system have happened with these
> settings? AT&T's customer service weinies won't be able to help me
> until after my actual bill is generated and they can see the details,
> I'm hoping to get enough info before then that I can argue my case
> successfully and get these extra charges dropped from my bill.

Jim,

Fyi, with GPRS, the default gateway address is 0.0.0.0

I know that in the beginning, I looked at Bluetooth as just another IP
option like WiFi. I soon discovered that you have to throw that thinking
out of your head when working with it. It's a "cableless" (the serial port
service is a good example) protocol with specific profiles that provide
specific services or functionality. The use of virtual com ports as its
means of connecting is somewhat reminiscent of the DOS days.

I always find it easy when using a remote service, to remember that these
services are being provided by the remote device you wish to connect with.

This site provides some of the best documentation and information on
bluetooth and guides in setting up its use with your devices:

www.geekzone.co.nz

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

"Seneca" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Remember, those bt services are offered by the phone. That's why the
> shortcuts reference your phone's bluetooth name.
>
> The charges you incurred are valid. Your phone provided the gateway
> "service" to your pc's "application" (i.e. your browser), so while
connected
> with the 3650, the phone was your ISP. It's the same situation with the
fax
> service.
>
> I don't think your provider will be sympathetic and forthcoming in giving
> you credit for the data usage, but good luck.
>
>
> "Jim Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:180820031136544149%[email protected]...
> > I need some help understanding the access point settings on the Nokia
> > 3650. Basically, what's happened is that I'm being charged for data
> > usage that shouldn't have been happening. Let me explain:
> >
> > When I got the 3650, I specifically went in and deleted the mMode and
> > MMS access points to avoid any such charges, I didn't subscribe to a
> > data plan. What I did do, though, is set up a blank access point for
> > use in connecting to my Mac over Bluetooth for sharing my desktop's
> > internet connection. See this link for more info:
> >
> > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...30616191119129
> >
> > Now, I did get this working. I was successfully able to ping my phone
> > while this connection was up, and I installed the NetFront browser on
> > my phone, and was able to view a test web page on my Mac, which is
> > behind a firewall and is not accessible from anywhere else. So, I knew
> > my connection was working as it should.
> >
> > I did view some other info on the phone, then shut things down. A few
> > days later, I noticed that my online minutes used included data, about
> > $20 worth ($.03/Kb)!! Obviously I'm not happy about this at all, and
> > I'm trying to understand how this happened.
> >
> >
> > In looking through AT&T's support pages, they indicate that for mMode
> > to work, the Gateway address needs to be 010.250.250.250, and the
> > access point name should be 'proxy'. For MMS, these settings are
> > 010250.250.100 and 'proxy'. The instructions imply that if the name
> > 'proxy' is not used, that the connection will fail, though to me this
> > didn't quite sound right. But I'm almost positive that if the gateway
> > address is wrong, the phone won't be able to talk to their service at
> > all. My gateway address is set to 0.0.0.0, which should never go
> > through. I know that on a normal Ethernet connection, an invalid
> > gateway (or router) setting will keep a client from talking to anyone.
> >
> >
> > So, my big question here for anyone that might have a definitive answer
> > is how could a connection to AT&T's system have happened with these
> > settings? AT&T's customer service weinies won't be able to help me
> > until after my actual bill is generated and they can see the details,
> > I'm hoping to get enough info before then that I can argue my case
> > successfully and get these extra charges dropped from my bill.
>
>

In article <[email protected]>, Seneca wrote:
> I know that in the beginning, I looked at Bluetooth as just another IP
> option like WiFi. I soon discovered that you have to throw that thinking
> out of your head when working with it. It's a "cableless" (the serial port

Yes, but I think it is possible to have Bluetooth connection as just
one of the AccessPoints. There is "gnubox.sis", which should do this
possible in S60 devices, but in 7650 for me it says "Unable to install,
Invalid Installer version".