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  1. #1
    Joseph Huber
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    I've had my first Vision phone for about 2 weeks now. It's the Sanyo
    MM-7400. The phone itself is very nice. The built-in voice
    recognition works remarkably well. Two complaints though... First,
    the ear speaker sound quality is poor. Secondly, the belt clip that
    comes in the Sprint accessory kit from Costco just plain stinks.
    Common movements, such as getting into the car, seem to trip the
    release lever, leading to phone-meets-concrete syndrome.

    Now on to Vision... I've never had a Vision phone before, so I don't
    know what to expect as far as communication speeds go. I did have
    Wireless Web for many years. Browsing with Vision seems slower than I
    expected. Things like checking scores on ESPN or checking email
    really don't seem that much faster than with Wireless Web.

    I did a file transfer test with #777. First, I downloaded a few files
    from my company website via my cable modem connection. The download
    speeds were in the 200-300 kBytes/sec range. I then fired up #777 and
    got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    getting faster transfer speeds? Just based on things I've read, I was
    expecting 10 kBytes/sec or better. Is there any way to check the
    actual data transfer speeds without doing a computer file transfer?
    Any thoughts as to what the transfer speeds should be for the MM-7400?

    Thanks!

    Joseph Huber
    [email protected]



    See More: How fast should Vision be??




  2. #2
    Tinman
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    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    Joseph Huber wrote:
    > I've had my first Vision phone for about 2 weeks now. It's the Sanyo
    > MM-7400. The phone itself is very nice. The built-in voice
    > recognition works remarkably well. Two complaints though... First,
    > the ear speaker sound quality is poor. Secondly, the belt clip that
    > comes in the Sprint accessory kit from Costco just plain stinks.
    > Common movements, such as getting into the car, seem to trip the
    > release lever, leading to phone-meets-concrete syndrome.
    >


    Been there, had the scratches to show for it. This was using a holster.
    I switchd to a generic leather "pouch" style belt, with a Velcro flap,
    and all is good. Occasionally it will get hung-up on a seatbelt or
    something, but if it falls at least it's protected (and it didn't add
    any extra bulk, since my holsters always seemed to be made to accomade
    an extended battery, which I never used).


    > Now on to Vision... I've never had a Vision phone before, so I don't
    > know what to expect as far as communication speeds go. I did have
    > Wireless Web for many years. Browsing with Vision seems slower than I
    > expected. Things like checking scores on ESPN or checking email
    > really don't seem that much faster than with Wireless Web.
    >


    Vision doesn't "seem that much faster" than WW?! It is to laugh. Yer
    lucky you didn't try it when it launched back in the summer of 2002. You
    would have seen speeds MUCH slower than the old WW. Be thankful you
    waited.


    > I did a file transfer test with #777. First, I downloaded a few files
    > from my company website via my cable modem connection. The download
    > speeds were in the 200-300 kBytes/sec range. I then fired up #777 and
    > got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    > getting faster transfer speeds? Just based on things I've read, I was
    > expecting 10 kBytes/sec or better. Is there any way to check the
    > actual data transfer speeds without doing a computer file transfer?
    > Any thoughts as to what the transfer speeds should be for the MM-7400?


    A lot of times Vision data is "bursty," so an average DL rate of 50-60
    kbps is probably average--and a notch above dialup. And when accessing
    the WWW, the traffic is funneled through a compression server, so pages
    can be delivered in less time. Still, latency on the connection itself,
    as well as the time needed for the server to process the page, do add a
    delay before the page is actually displayed.

    And keep in mind using #777 with a PC/laptop is against the TOS, so I
    wouldn't use it to do extensive bandwidth testing. I use it and have
    never had a problem, but I only use it about once or twice per month,
    mainly for email.


    --
    Mike | As the light changed from red to green to yellow
    | and back to red again, I sat there thinking about life.
    | Was it nothing more than a bunch of honking and
    | yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way.





  3. #3
    Joseph Huber
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:32:53 -0700, "Tinman" wrote:
    >Been there, had the scratches to show for it. This was using a holster.
    >I switchd to a generic leather "pouch" style belt, with a Velcro flap,
    >and all is good. Occasionally it will get hung-up on a seatbelt or
    >something, but if it falls at least it's protected (and it didn't add
    >any extra bulk, since my holsters always seemed to be made to accomade
    >an extended battery, which I never used).


    I also bought a pouch and all is better. It seems that the MM-7400 is
    thicker than most clamshell phones, so the one I have now is tight.
    Eventually there will probably be pouches designed to fit the MM-7400.
    I would recommend that anyone planning to get an MM-7400 bypass the
    Sprint belt clip and get a pouch. Save yourself the agony of watching
    your wonderful new Sanyo bounce off the asphalt.

    >And keep in mind using #777 with a PC/laptop is against the TOS, so I
    >wouldn't use it to do extensive bandwidth testing. I use it and have
    >never had a problem, but I only use it about once or twice per month,
    >mainly for email.


    Yes, I realize the TOS issue. That's why I was wondering if there are
    any speed benchmark sites that could be accessed with the Vision
    browser.

    Joseph Huber
    [email protected]



  4. #4
    Joel Kolstad
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I then fired up #777 and
    > got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    > getting faster transfer speeds?


    It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you signal
    strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site you're
    connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of the expected
    range.

    I guess what I'm saying here is... in all likelihood, there's nothing wrong
    with your setup; Vision is working 'as designed.'

    ---Joel Kolstad





  5. #5
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    Joel Kolstad wrote:
    > "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >>I then fired up #777 and
    >>got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    >>getting faster transfer speeds?

    >
    >
    > It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you signal
    > strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site you're
    > connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of the expected
    > range.


    I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.


    Whaich mobile test was being used? There's one located at:

    http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed

    This test is specifically designed to work on mobile phones; no laptop
    connection is needed. This might also help isolate whether the problem
    is the network environment, or the connection between your phone and
    computer.




    --
    E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.



  6. #6
    tom ronson
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > Yes, I realize the TOS issue. That's why I was wondering if there are
    > any speed benchmark sites that could be accessed with the Vision
    > browser.


    wapspeed.com





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  7. #7
    Joseph Huber
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:06:56 -0500, Isaiah Beard
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    >I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    >signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.
    >There's one located at:
    >http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed


    For whatever reason, my transfer rates are much higher tonight. The
    mspeed test indicated transfer rates for both the phone and
    #777/laptop in the 80-120 kbit/sec range. The same PDFs I tried the
    other night were downloading tonight in the 10-12 kB/sec range. The
    tower must have been busy the other night...

    Joseph Huber
    [email protected]



  8. #8
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    How does this test work? There are different speeds that can be selected and
    there is not help menus.

    Regards,

    -mij


    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Joel Kolstad wrote:
    >> "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>
    >>>I then fired up #777 and
    >>>got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    >>>getting faster transfer speeds?

    >>
    >>
    >> It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you signal
    >> strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site you're
    >> connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of the
    >> expected range.

    >
    > I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    > signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.
    >
    >
    > Whaich mobile test was being used? There's one located at:
    >
    > http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed
    >
    > This test is specifically designed to work on mobile phones; no laptop
    > connection is needed. This might also help isolate whether the problem is
    > the network environment, or the connection between your phone and
    > computer.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    > Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.






  9. #9
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    It seems that I am getting 334 kbit/sec using the >
    http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed and selecting the 200k test option.

    Is this good?

    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Joel Kolstad wrote:
    >> "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>
    >>>I then fired up #777 and
    >>>got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    >>>getting faster transfer speeds?

    >>
    >>
    >> It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you signal
    >> strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site you're
    >> connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of the
    >> expected range.

    >
    > I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    > signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.
    >
    >
    > Whaich mobile test was being used? There's one located at:
    >
    > http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed
    >
    > This test is specifically designed to work on mobile phones; no laptop
    > connection is needed. This might also help isolate whether the problem is
    > the network environment, or the connection between your phone and
    > computer.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    > Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.






  10. #10

    Re: How fast should Vision be??


    That's a lot higher than I thought was possible on Vision. I get more
    like 70kbps on the 200k byte test. I regularly am able to get 90-100k
    when downloading a large (multi-megabyte) file to my Treo.

    Mij Adyaw wrote:
    > It seems that I am getting 334 kbit/sec using the >
    > http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed and selecting the 200k test option.
    >
    > Is this good?
    >
    > "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >>Joel Kolstad wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I then fired up #777 and
    >>>>got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    >>>>getting faster transfer speeds?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you signal
    >>>strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site you're
    >>>connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of the
    >>>expected range.

    >>
    >>I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    >>signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.
    >>
    >>
    >>Whaich mobile test was being used? There's one located at:
    >>
    >>http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed
    >>
    >>This test is specifically designed to work on mobile phones; no laptop
    >>connection is needed. This might also help isolate whether the problem is
    >>the network environment, or the connection between your phone and
    >>computer.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>--
    >>E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    >>Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

    >
    >
    >




  11. #11
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    Maybe Sprint is using higher speed equipment in the area that I am located.

    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]
    >
    > That's a lot higher than I thought was possible on Vision. I get more
    > like 70kbps on the 200k byte test. I regularly am able to get 90-100k
    > when downloading a large (multi-megabyte) file to my Treo.
    >
    > Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >> It seems that I am getting 334 kbit/sec using the >
    >> http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed and selecting the 200k test option.
    >>
    >> Is this good?
    >>
    >> "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>
    >>>Joel Kolstad wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected]
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I then fired up #777 and
    >>>>>got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    >>>>>getting faster transfer speeds?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you signal
    >>>>strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site you're
    >>>>connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of the
    >>>>expected range.
    >>>
    >>>I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    >>>signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Whaich mobile test was being used? There's one located at:
    >>>
    >>>http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed
    >>>
    >>>This test is specifically designed to work on mobile phones; no laptop
    >>>connection is needed. This might also help isolate whether the problem
    >>>is the network environment, or the connection between your phone and
    >>>computer.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>--
    >>>E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    >>>Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

    >>
    >>





  12. #12
    Mij Adyaw
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    I am getting 346 kbit/sec this morning here in Laguna Niguel CA.

    1.562s latency and 6.184s d/l time.

    This seems to be really good :-)

    SprintPCS RULES!

    -mij


    "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Maybe Sprint is using higher speed equipment in the area that I am
    > located.
    >
    > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> That's a lot higher than I thought was possible on Vision. I get more
    >> like 70kbps on the 200k byte test. I regularly am able to get 90-100k
    >> when downloading a large (multi-megabyte) file to my Treo.
    >>
    >> Mij Adyaw wrote:
    >>> It seems that I am getting 334 kbit/sec using the >
    >>> http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed and selecting the 200k test option.
    >>>
    >>> Is this good?
    >>>
    >>> "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]
    >>>
    >>>>Joel Kolstad wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>"Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>news:[email protected]
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I then fired up #777 and
    >>>>>>got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    >>>>>>getting faster transfer speeds?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>It's a skosh on the slow side, but if you're in an area where you
    >>>>>signal strength is anything but 'four bars' or the particular cell site
    >>>>>you're connecting to is somewhat congested, it's not at all outside of
    >>>>>the expected range.
    >>>>
    >>>>I'd have to disagree. I've gotten speeds of 90kbps in low-but-useable
    >>>>signal environments, and typically 110kbps in strong signal areas.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Whaich mobile test was being used? There's one located at:
    >>>>
    >>>>http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed
    >>>>
    >>>>This test is specifically designed to work on mobile phones; no laptop
    >>>>connection is needed. This might also help isolate whether the problem
    >>>>is the network environment, or the connection between your phone and
    >>>>computer.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>--
    >>>>E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    >>>>Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
    >>>
    >>>

    >






  13. #13
    JackF
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    Looks like your bandwidth question was answered. As for the Costco
    holster -- I have the same and it IS terrible with the standard battery but
    works great with an extended one. The lip on the extended battery fits
    nicely against the moulded shape of the holster. With the standard battery,
    if you pushed the phone toward the belt the clip could bend and disengage.
    With the extended battery the back of the battery is solid against the
    holster and the clip won't bend.

    I picked up several extended batteries on eBay for about $10 each. They're
    "counterfit" (or maybe not since they don't pretend to be from Sprint or
    Sanyo) batteries the carriers warn us about so they can sell us the same
    cells and electronics for $60. Never had a problem.


    "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I've had my first Vision phone for about 2 weeks now. It's the Sanyo
    > MM-7400. The phone itself is very nice. The built-in voice
    > recognition works remarkably well. Two complaints though... First,
    > the ear speaker sound quality is poor. Secondly, the belt clip that
    > comes in the Sprint accessory kit from Costco just plain stinks.
    > Common movements, such as getting into the car, seem to trip the
    > release lever, leading to phone-meets-concrete syndrome.
    >
    > Now on to Vision... I've never had a Vision phone before, so I don't
    > know what to expect as far as communication speeds go. I did have
    > Wireless Web for many years. Browsing with Vision seems slower than I
    > expected. Things like checking scores on ESPN or checking email
    > really don't seem that much faster than with Wireless Web.
    >
    > I did a file transfer test with #777. First, I downloaded a few files
    > from my company website via my cable modem connection. The download
    > speeds were in the 200-300 kBytes/sec range. I then fired up #777 and
    > got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    > getting faster transfer speeds? Just based on things I've read, I was
    > expecting 10 kBytes/sec or better. Is there any way to check the
    > actual data transfer speeds without doing a computer file transfer?
    > Any thoughts as to what the transfer speeds should be for the MM-7400?
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Joseph Huber
    > [email protected]
    >






  14. #14
    tommy
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??


    > "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message


    > I did a file transfer test with #777. First, I downloaded a few files
    > from my company website via my cable modem connection. The download
    > speeds were in the 200-300 kBytes/sec range. I then fired up #777 and
    > got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    > getting faster transfer speeds? Just based on things I've read, I was
    > expecting 10 kBytes/sec or better. Is there any way to check the
    > actual data transfer speeds without doing a computer file transfer?
    > Any thoughts as to what the transfer speeds should be for the MM-7400?



    I did a speed test online and took a screenshot of my results.

    http://www.andypop.com/temp/vision-results.jpg

    better than the average 56k modem, and that's fine for the occasional
    email I send via a Vision connection.

    /tommy



  15. #15
    Sally Shears
    Guest

    Re: How fast should Vision be??

    In article <[email protected]>, JackF
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Joseph Huber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]


    > > Now on to Vision...
    > > ... Things like checking scores on ESPN or checking email
    > > really don't seem that much faster than with Wireless Web.
    > >
    > > I then fired up #777 and
    > > got speeds of about 5-6 kBytes/sec. Is this normal, or should I be
    > > getting faster transfer speeds? Just based on things I've read, I was
    > > expecting 10 kBytes/sec or better.
    > > Joseph Huber
    > > [email protected]


    > Looks like your bandwidth question was answered....


    Joseph, JackF is right...

    Your 5-6kBytes/sec is about 60kbps which is about what I get. The
    service is "up to 144kbps" and we're getting about half that.

    From another tip on this newsgroup, the latency is not too bad if you
    keep sending bits one way or the other. But, let it go quiet and then
    there's a longer pause (a second or so) to get started again.

    I use #777 for occasional email when I don't have a better option.
    Sprint now says #777 is against their terms of service, but from
    comments here they are not bothering people who do not abuse this
    feature. For example, keeping a connection alive all day under
    "Unlimited Vision" would be abuse.

    -- Sally

    --
    Sally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly")
    [email protected] -or- [email protected]
    http://theWorld.com/~sshears



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