Better or worse off after elections?

The world trade center bombings by Ramsi Youssef. The USS Cole (if you count navy vessels as our soil). Bush's approval ratings would be higher than Clintons when he left office if he had news agencies mopping up after him like Bill did throughout his Presidency. And I'm not a huge Bush fan, I respect him but I don't think he's a conservative. I can't wait to see how this all plays out over the next two years and I'm interested in seeing who the Republicans offer up as their candidate in 2008 to go up against Hillary. There aren't alot of guys out there on the radar that I'm privy to, but one of the ones I know of that would do a great job is Rick Santorum, who just losts his job in Pennsylvania. I know Mccain is salivating at the mouth to get in but he won't, there's no way he could win because the conservative base of the republican party just wouldn't show up. And believe it or not he is one of the primary reasons the democrats are back in power, Bush is another one.

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I don't consider the USS Cole as our soil. The whole idea behind the war on terror is to protect our citizens from terrorist attacks. A navy ship being attacked in another part of the world is not a threat to our citizens within the confines of our borders.

So that leaves us with the World Trade Center bombings that are a legitimate foreign terrorist attack in recent history...pre or post 9/11. So again...nothing that Bush has done has prevented any terrorism.

What are you talking about with the media not mopping up after Bush? The only reason that he got re-elected was the whole "war on terror" slogan. He used the media to instill fear from a threat that simply wasn't there. Refer to all of these examples of terrorism that you and I have come up with in the last...what, 15 years? Considering his approval rating has been plummeting since he got re-elected, I seriously doubt he would have been anywhere near Clinton's finishing approval rating of 68% is quite a bit higher than Bush who (last time I looked...which was a while ago) was sitting at 33%. That's a huge difference.

I would vote for anybody over Hillary. Having a woman president would all but destroy our foreign relations. I would much rather see Obama on the democratic ticket. The way that his popularity is skyrocketing, I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

The media mops up Bush, not after him as they did with Billy Boy. Look, if Bush would have behaved like Clinton did he'd have been gone in 60 seconds. Trust me, the Republicans don't have half the gall that the dems have in destroying someone. They tried after Bill Clinton stepped in a heap of cow dung with his Oval Oriface scandals, but with a sympathetic media there was just not enough traction to pull it off. Had that been a Republican the dems would have gone for the jugular and with the dominant media culture piling on it would have been a slam dunk. It's undeniable.

Spum says that nothing Bush has done has prevented terrorism, and he's adamant about it. So I'm left to believe that Spum has an inside informant with the NSA whose basically telling him that there's nothing out there that has been prevented from a terrorist standpoint for 5 or 6 years. We've had a quiet 5 or 6 years since 9/11 on the home front, and it's certainly not from a lack of trying on the side of the Bin Ladens out there. The fact of the matter is that we're not going to hear about the successes of preventing terrorist attacks.

Yeah, we won't hear about the successes of preventing terrorist attacks just like we never heard about the guy that tried to light his shoes on fire or the gatorade incident in Britain.

The fact of the matter is that terrorist attacks don't happen that often. Look at the history of terrorist attacks. They happen once every couple of years at best (I'm talking about US terrorist attacks here...obviously there are much more attacks elsewhere in the world). Having a quiet 5 or 6 years is normal! I don't know why you're trying to credit Bush with what's normal. We had a huge terrorist attack on 9/11, and suddenly everyone thought that we were getting attacked every day. I'm not really sure why that happened. It doesn't make any sense.

If Bush had behaved like Clinton, the rest of the world wouldn't hate us as much as they do now. It's unbelievable how much world legitimacy we've lost as a direct result of the Bush administration. The media was all over Clinton when the sex scandal happened. I don't know where you were, but I remember everybody getting sick of hearing about it because it was continuous for 6 months. The guy lied about getting a blowjob because ANY guy would lie about getting a blowjob behind his wife's back. He gets impeached because of it. Bush lies, and what happens? The media and the rest of the country suddenly jumps behind him and starts to support everything he says. Then, when they finally realize he's actually just full of ****, his approval rating starts to drop like a brick. Honestly, the way that Clinton was treated with the sex scandal (as many good things as he did while he was in office, that's what he's remembered for BECAUSE of the media), I'm surprised that the democrats didn't jump on the chance to crucify Bush. God knows, they have the opportunity. The government set a precedent with Clinton for impeaching him when he lied to the public. I don't know why Bush should not get the same treatment...but he's not. The smoke screen of the "war on terror" and the war in Iraq got everybody's attention, and somehow Bush got the support of the public and the media. Bush has behaved like Clinton (lying to the public to achieve his agenda), and the democrats and the press have not been hard on him at all in comparison to the way Clinton was treated.

f Bush had behaved like Clinton, the rest of the world wouldn't hate us as much as they do now. It's unbelievable how much world legitimacy we've lost as a direct result of the Bush administration. The media was all over Clinton when the sex scandal happened. I don't know where you were, but I remember everybody getting sick of hearing about it because it was continuous for 6 months. The guy lied about getting a blowjob because ANY guy would lie about getting a blowjob behind his wife's back. He gets impeached because of it. Bush lies, and what happens?

News flash!!! The......world.....hates.....us......no.......matter......what. Is that slow enough for you? We all know your lefty montra Bush lies People die. HE HE HE HA HA HA. Do you not think about this? If he(Clinton) lied about BJs which who really cares what he did, what else did we not find that he lied about. The liberal press still worship bill and hill that is a fact. Deny it all you want it is a fact. In fact they defended bill and hill when they stole the paintings out of the White House when they left.

The media and the rest of the country suddenly jumps behind him and starts to support everything he says.

This is one of the most BS statements you have said yet. Do you even watch the news. From day one of the announcement to go the media told everyone across the nation it was a false war.

his approval rating starts to drop like a brick

If you file on a piece of soap does it usually wear down? Yes it does. So when you hear everyday for 6 Years bush sucks, bush lied, the war in Iraq is for oil, bush concocted it in Texas, Bush, bush, bush, bush is a moron he's stupid. Don't you think people start to believe it after a while.

You see my problem is not with you having your opinion it is the fact that you take what the libs and the press say as the only way it could be. You, nags, me we have no clue what is going on. We are told only what the media wants us to hear. We are told the lies that the libs and conserv. want us to hear. You act as though what you say is 100% truth when a good portion is scewed to the left. Is the war going great? No it isn't. Are we winning? in some places yes and in others no but it all has to do with all the political correctness in the war. If the terrorists shoot and run into a house or a masque we can't go after them. If they shoot and lay down their weapons we can't shoot them they run away and they get another gun and shoot at us again. When we can't fight back because or ROEs suck we loose. Open the ROEs to be more relaxed and we would win. Those who fight and run away live to fight another day. That is the terrorist slogan. Our slogan is basically, ours is not to reason why, ours is to do or die. Whoa(I have earned the right to say this for all who wonder and understand.)
Spum have you been over there? Niether have I. You and I just go on what we have heard. Here is a truth, If we run now Iran will take over Iraq and we will have to go back in a clean up what we left. Only this time it will be 100s of times worse.

As far as Clinton being impeached for lying, it wasn't because he lied to the public it was because he lied before a grand jury. That is a Federal Offense and is an impeachable offense. Bush never lied to you or me. Earlier you state that bill went on the intel he had. Well so did bush. Everyone and their brother said Saddam was a threat even bill, hill, and John Kerry. You also say the dems and the media don't want to impeach bush? Watch the news every once in a while. Both of the groups are so hell bent on doing this that it will make your head spin. There isn't a day that passes that it isn't mentioned on CNN. Your statement about being hard on a president is also untrue. Not once did the actual media(not speaking about the comedians) say bill and hill were morons or stupid nor did they even criticize when he bombed. I supported the bombing of the Alqueda but,(even though it was aspirin) Clinton had just as much intel telling him not to do it as he had to do it. You say "as many good things as he did while he was in office". If there are so many name them. Please inform us of all the good things bill and hill did in office. I guess I don't remember all the good stuff he did for me.

Earlier you spoke about Military machines such as a Naval ship not our soil. This is a remark just to support your so called fact we havn't been hit other than 9/11. This is an uninformed notion that you really need to re-evaluate. Do you not consider our bases in different countries our soil. Let me tell you the US Govt does and so do the Govts of the other countries. Our soil can be determined as anything that is owned by the US and would house a US citizen. Therefore any vessel that we have in our possesion and housing would also have to be our soil. Are you trying to say the the brave men and women on the Cole were not citizens of the US?

I would also like you to explain what you say about not preventing any attacks. Is there any proof one way or the other? No there isn't. You are just spewing what the left wing bloggers type on a daily basis. Do you think the US govt would let us know about the thwarted attacks? They won't even publish a full report on the JFK assassination. Yes, it would benefit bush if published but who would he go to and publish such a thing. The national media would try to take it apart piece by piece and the public that trust the media would belive it.

I beg to differ on your statement

the only reason that he got re-elected was the whole "war on terror" slogan. He used the media to instill fear from a threat that simply wasn't there.

The reason he got re-elected is Kerry was hateful and made some very big mistakes. Not to mention that Bush could have one on popular vote alone (that is a fact look it up). So it seems that he at one time even after the war started, still had a good approval rating. The biggest problem we have is Americans are the want it now society. We want everything where we want it when we want it. The War wasn't over in three weeks like in '91 so the American public started to backlash.

Another thing you have a problem with is you don't want to concede that Bush has done some good things along with the bad things. List? Tax cuts Help my family. My take home pay is much more now than before the tax cuts. So don't tell me the leftist crap about it only helps the top 1% of Americans. Anyway did you know that it is a fact that the top 1% of earning Americans pay almost 60% of the govts tax income. And that as of the tax cuts the bottom 40% of earners pay only about 3% of that same tax icome. Along with the tax cuts came a booming economy. I know you think the economy is bad but how about 4.4% unemployment. How about a DOW over 12000. You may not know but that it has hit records. The truth behind this? Even liberal economists say it is becuase people have more money to spend on other things than just the necesities. I know that Bush has spent us out of the wazoo and I hate that but when the tax cuts did come the deficit started going down. We have had more income in the past couple years than ever before. Infact we have reduced the number of speculated years it will take to catch up. How about the Patriot act. I know you leftists think it is a bad thing but anything that makes me safer is a good thing. You think it infringes on your rights to conduct your business and such then you have never read the the patriot act. I encourage you to find it and read it. Google Patriot act. It only infringes on those people suspected of conducting illegal activities.

What it all comes down to is I still agree with finalfrontier It doesn't matter who is in there we all still get screwed. I can't stand what our govt does to us.
The US is not in the wrong here. We are in the right.(or we are corrrect)
As far as you spum I am done with you. You will not waiver or even consider that what you read and hear on tv are even remotley scewed. Be fair and not a leftist nut who only believes the dems and the media.

Dittos on almost everything you wrote in your last post Mayford5. Clinton left us a world far less stable than when he came into office. If Billy Boy has done so much good while in office, then why does he have to run around trying to protect his legacy, or more like create one for himself? Answer: because he has done virtually nothing that will stand on it's own, he has no crowning achievements like Ronald Reagan to hang his hat on (who by the way accomplished everthing with a congress controlled by the opposition party). The Clintons are by far the most self-centered politicians I have come across in my lifetime. Like I said, the world they left us is certainly not more stable than when he entered office. All it took to ignite the keg is a US leader with some backbone. And I'm not blaming the terrorists on the Clintons, but their tired policies of appeasement just emboldened the terrorists.

And this whole thing about lying to the American people, if I were President and it meant lying to the American people in the interests of national security, you can bet damn sure that I would. I wouldn't want to, I'd try and avoid or dodge the questions as much as possible, but I'm and American first and as such I would do what I have to to protect the country I serve. Even to my own detriment.

A quick correction. I believe that the top 1% of wage earners pay just over a third of the taxes. The top 50% pay nearly 97% of all the taxes. So the notion that tax cuts only benefit the rich, is bogus. Try well over half the people in this country. The other half barely pay any taxes at all so how much lower can you actually make their taxes. If you add in all the entitlements that go to the "so called" poor, they make out pretty nicely (on my dime).

Mayford5, you're a true "supply-sider", looks like you actually paid attention in economics class, or maybe you just had a teacher that understood what he/she was teaching.

Our last two democratic Presidents are nothing more than a couple of babies, whining when things don't go quite like they think they should. Real men stand up and take the arrows, knowing that they are backed up by their accomplishments, secure in who they are, and knowing that history will sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Thankyou for the correction nags I got my info on an older web page.....I think. It may have even been some extreme right wing website. Anyway

Give me a couple of days. I can't respond to something that long at work, and I have to take a test tonight and tomorrow. I'll come back when I get caught up with my school stuff.

I think we r better off now....things have been 2 nuts.

I don't have much of the cash nor make that much of the cash but I'm always broke when a republican is in command.

Nags finally got the info correct it is earners in the top 10% pay 60% of the taxes. Sorry just left out the zero.

In response to H4RDDR1V3. Now that the Dems are back in power they already have made arrangements to repeal the tax cuts. This means less money for you and more money they can spend any way they want. Having control of both the house and senate is a bad thing for both sides. It means they can put anything through they want. Charlie Rangle wants to envoke the draft so as he says all is equal in the recruitment. This is nuts an military full of draftees in the here and now can not win a war. The only drafted wars we have won is the two big WW's. The reason behind this though was the country was almost 100% behind the men over seas. Now that not even half the US pop. is behind it, it is almost certain to fail if a draft comes. Drafted people didn't volunteer so they don't feel they are supposed to be there. Volunteers know that at any time they can be shipped over seas for any reason so they are ready.